Fitting Into A Box: Societies Work Force & Personality Types

[hiconscience]

Before I graduated college I worked many service industry jobs I was always exposed to certain personality types in my bosses and I foolishly thought this would all change in my "white collar" career.

I was very wrong.

I am shocked at the unprofessionalism I have witnessed and I work for a company whose CEO is a female and the company is a very modern tech driven business. My boss is the VP of marketing and has straight forward asked me if I would have an affair with him. Fortunately, I work remotely so I do not have to work in the same office as him, but business trips I interact with him and online meetings.

Is this just a personality type that is pervasive today? I wonder how many women deal with this. I have since I started working at 16. I have had many jobs and none of these men are scared to say this kind of stuff amongst many other things.

so many women must just let it go.

I am interested in hearing people's experiences in the work force whether its along these lines or not. I would like to have more insight on the personalities that succeed in the business world.

“Leadership qualities overlap with cruelty and stupidity"-Ray Peat

 

[somuch4food]

I've never attracted this type of attention and I think it's because I'm far from a stereotypical woman. I do not care much about appearance nor social talk and so I do not attract that kind of attention.

However, I find it saddening that many women have to deal with this kind of stuff from men looking after lust and power.

“Leadership qualities overlap with cruelty and stupidity"-Ray Peat

I do not agree with that quote. True leadership doesn't involve cruelty and stupidity, but many who seek power become pack leaders using cruelty because that's the only way they can acquire power over others.

True leaders do not seek power to rule over others, they simply lead the way and others follow them.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

What's the problem with that? You are both adults, and I am assuming you said no, and that was it.

 

[LUH 3417]

Some men (and women) blame women for making themselves attractive and drawing sexual attention to themselves. For instance if you use make up, wear form fitting clothing or make your hair look nice it’s your fault that men try to pick you up.

I don’t agree with this but it seems to be how it is.

Collectively, I think sex obsession is a result of a denial of eros, or the joyful loving aspect, of life and an emphasis on it only existing in the bedroom. It’s why porn is so prevalent.

You could always report those people at work for sexual harassment if you want to.

 

[Lord Cola]

I do not agree with that quote. True leadership doesn't involve cruelty and stupidity, but many who seek power become pack leaders using cruelty because that's the only way they can acquire power over others.

True leaders do not seek power to rule over others, they simply lead the way and others follow them.

Seems to me like both are literally true leaders if you consider the definition of the word. One is less worse than the other depending on your situation.

 

[kyle]

Get married and devote your intellect and work ethic toward building a household, instead of the bottomline for some corporation.

I understand why women are drawn to militant feminism. The #metoo thing isnt without basis.

Putting women in the workforce is asking women to behave like men creates a lot of psychic distress for both women and men. Its asking both men and women to behave completely contrary to nature.

I realize women born in todays system will find this absurd. "Who are all these men with well paying jobs going to sweep them off to some domestic bliss? Ive already devoted myself to a career."

If people start to ask the right questions they might find answers to these problems.

But if youre unconcious of how the system works, youll never understand what your life is.

 

[LUH 3417]

Get married and devote your intellect and work ethic toward building a household, instead of the bottomline for some corporation.

I understand why women are drawn to militant feminism. The #metoo thing isnt without basis.

Putting women in the workforce is asking women to behave like men creates a lot of psychic distress for both women and men. Its asking both men and women to behave completely contrary to nature.

I realize women born in todays system will find this absurd. "Who are all these men with well paying jobs going to sweep them off to some domestic bliss? Ive already devoted myself to a career."

If people start to ask the right questions they might find answers to these problems.

But if youre unconcious of how the system works, youll never understand what your life is.

You don’t need to be a militant feminist to value female work. There are brilliant female artists, writers, biologists, musicians, midwives..etc. creating a household is a labor of love which is not easily monetized. The psychic distress of labor value is due to exploitative economic systems, not women’s work. It’s 2020, not every female with a passion for creativity that does not manifest itself in child rearing or household building needs to end up like Camille Claudel.

 

[Blossom]

It’s certainly very, very common in the medical field. Affairs are common in general as well with an estimated 60% of all marriages impacted by infidelity according to marriage builders dot com. It’s really sad but many people get addicted to the thrill of getting away with something secret and forbidden. I hope you know you are worth more than that type of treatment.

 

[kyle]

@raysputin "exploitative economic systems"

Right, how is loading young women up with debt and making them wage away their youth just?

And most women would happily be mothers and homemakers. Since when should a society cater to the exception rather than the rule?

 

[LUH 3417]

@raysputin "exploitative economic systems"

Right, how is loading young women up with debt and making them wage away their youth just?

And most women would happily be mothers and homemakers. Since when should a society cater to the exception rather than the rule?

A few decades ago and in some countries still young women would be paid to pursue PhDs.

When did you poll all young American women, by the way? Personally I’d love to get paid to study physics.

 

[LUH 3417]

@raysputin "exploitative economic systems"

Right, how is loading young women up with debt and making them wage away their youth just?

And most women would happily be mothers and homemakers. Since when should a society cater to the exception rather than the rule?

Your delusional rule excludes all the young pretty housewives left when they grew old and unattractive for newer, shinier housewives.

 

[Teres]

If you are attractive, men will be attracted to you. The timid ones will say and do nothing, others will express their intent. Work is rarely exception. When men and women work at the same place, to a great extent professionalism means the ability to suppress sexual intentions. Sex on the workplace is very common. The field doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it'sa military base, office, hospital, ship, bakery, wherever men and women work together there's always a story. Rarely just one. Many women have to deal with this, and many other intentionally climb a ladder with legs open.

Your boss has been unprofessional. Still, expressing interest is not harassment. Now, if you have declined, and you have been loud and clear, and he continues to bother you..then this is harassment. I have some personal observations in my bag, but they may be a bit graphic for a productive talk. I don't know a person who doesn't have such from the workplace which are..more than work.

 

[kyle]

@raysputin the fact you find physics interesting makes you an outlier among the general pop., let alone women.

Your delusional rule excludes all the young pretty housewives left when they grew old and unattractive for newer, shinier housewives.

If your parents divorced, or possibly just emotionally distant, its hard to conceptualize marital love.

But I am talking about nature and the higher order of things. Not attitudes and issues in year 2020.

 

[somuch4food]

@raysputin "exploitative economic systems"

Right, how is loading young women up with debt and making them wage away their youth just?

And most women would happily be mothers and homemakers. Since when should a society cater to the exception rather than the rule?

A few years ago, I would have yelled at you for belittling women. I was making a bigger salary than my partner and we would always say that he would stay home with the kids would we have them.

Forward five years, I'm still the one with the biggest hourly wage, but I chose to cut my hours to spend more time with my kids and I'm certainly enjoying my housewife role even though with my education and personality I never thought I would like it as much as I do.

Having kids changed my perspective of life. They are now my first priority. Work is now mostly a mean to acquire money. What brings fulfillment to my life is my family.

 

[LUH 3417]

@raysputin the fact you find physics interesting makes you an outlier among the general pop., let alone women.



If your parents divorced, or possibly just emotionally distant, its hard to conceptualize marital love.

But I am talking about nature and the higher order of things. Not attitudes and issues in year 2020.

I appreciate your sentiment but I don’t think the higher order of things translates into most people’s reality. It’s a nice ideal to strive towards but doesn’t really explain the current divorce rate. I don’t think women going to school is why marriage doesn’t work. I do think economic pressure destroys relationships and economic exploitation overflows into the family and ruins love and the “natural higher order”.

 

[Momado965]

Its funny how OP is playing the victim card when all what happened was a simple question for consensual sex.

 

[LUH 3417]

A few years ago, I would have yelled at you for belittling women. I was making a bigger salary than my partner and we would always say that he would stay home with the kids would we have them.

Forward five years, I'm still the one with the biggest hourly wage, but I chose to cut my hours to spend more time with my kids and I'm certainly enjoying my housewife role even though with my education and personality I never thought I would like it as much as I do.

Having kids changed my perspective of life. They are now my first priority. Work is now mostly a mean to acquire money. What brings fulfillment to my life is my family.

But how do you know that family is most fulfilling? You only know that because you had a career to compare it to. There are many mothers who I met who didn’t have an education or a career and felt very disrespected and disempowered. They referred to themselves as “just” housewives. I’m all for women staying home to raise their kids, but I ultimately believe smarter women raise smarter children and having a career is important. You also will not be raising children for the rest of your life, presumably. I know some moms who pathologically keep their kids at home and disable their maturation just because they do not have anything else to do but raise their kids. It’s sad and it’s damaging. This is a complex topic.

 

[pepsi]

Its normal, this is how men have been throughout all of time, just ignore it and focus on your work.

 

[milk_lover]

I have a lot of attractive female coworkers in my workplace and I never look at them as sexual objects because I believe in the saying, “don’t eat where you sh*t.” My work is where I get my money, I don’t want to disturb that place. Plus, if you are in a relationship, would you want your woman to look at their men? So the golden rule is really helpful to remember.
If a woman is appearing so sexualized in a event, I try to avoid them. And in your case, you could just say no politely.

 

[yerrag]

But how do you know that family is most fulfilling? You only know that because you had a career to compare it to. There are many mothers who I met who didn’t have an education or a career and felt very disrespected and disempowered. They referred to themselves as “just” housewives. I’m all for women staying home to raise their kids, but I ultimately believe smarter women raise smarter children and having a career is important. You also will not be raising children for the rest of your life, presumably. I know some moms who pathologically keep their kids at home and disable their maturation just because they do not have anything else to do but raise their kids. It’s sad and it’s damaging. This is a complex topic.

I don't agree stay at home moms aren't smarter. It's not a fair characterization. I don't know where you got the idea.