The Promiscuous, Career Focused Single Woman -- An Exaggerated Scapegoat?

[Mephisto]

She's 34

The fact that she is related to me means I SHOULD be critical of her behavior.

This is a private forum. Nobody knows who my daughter is.

That's not even her real first name.

TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC

STAY FOCUSED ON THE FACTS

A SELFISH FEMALE RUINED A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP BY FOCUSING ON NOTHING BUT HER APPEARANCE

THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM WITH WOMEN IN THE WEST TODAY

THEY ARE SELFISH AND CARE ONLY ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR APPEARANCE

THEY ONLY TALK ABOUT MEN IN SO FAR AS WHAT MEN CAN GIVE THEM AND DO FOR THEM

THIS IS CAUSING A DRASTIC DROP IN OUR POPULATION BECAUSE MEN DO NOT WANT TO CREATE FAMILIES WITH SELFISH WOMEN


GOT IT?

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.


FOCUS ON THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM.

NOT YOUR FEELINGS.

so why do women care so much about their appearance?
i sure hear a lot of women express how insecure they are about their looks when they find their boyfriends or husbands spend their time jerking off to porn, drooling over women on OF and instagram. If she didn't take care of her looks and he left her you'd be blaming her for not caring that men are visual etc etc. Mothers will shame their own daughters for not being attractive, spend 5 minutes online as a woman and you will find tons of men saying women are ugly old and essentially worthless past 30 when they lose their looks, and you expect women not to be neurotic about their appearance? There are whole industries designed to create and profit from women's insecurity. Girls hear those messages from a very young age, don't you think they would internalize those messages?
Most men are selfish too and they aren't all lining up to start families and live traditional lives either, you know both men and women have issues, right? Why do you act like it's just women? Are the majority of men trad, well adjusted and suited to parenthood? Men want to have their cake and to eat it too.
What's with the men on here accusing anyone that disagrees with them of being emotional? Let off the capslock man.

 

[MikeyFitz]

you don't even respond to anything anyone says to you, just go off on tangents about your daughters sex life and her vagina, glad my dad doesn't post about my vagina on the internet, that'd be pretty ****88 up.

"the fact that she is related to me means nothing"
i thought family was everything? it's your job as a father to teach her and protect her, not assassinate her character on the internet. I'd say the same if you were insulting your son all over the internet.

LMFAO!!!!!

How is it a tangent to provide a very specific example of the very problem we're talking about?

YOU are the one who goes on tangents like "male homosexuality in Greece two thousand years ago."

Which has NOTHING to do with the thread "The Promiscuous, Career Focused Single Woman"

My daughter is a promiscuous, career focused single woman.

The EXACT thing we're talking about.

Stop trolling, please.

 

[MikeyFitz]

so why do women care so much about their appearance?
i sure hear a lot of women express how insecure they are about their looks when they find their boyfriends or husbands spend their time jerking off to porn, drooling over women on OF and instagram. If she didn't take care of her looks and he left her you'd be blaming her for not caring that men are visual etc etc. Mothers will shame their own daughters for not being attractive, spend 5 minutes online as a woman and you will find tons of men saying women are ugly old and essentially worthless past 30 when they lose their looks, and you expect women not to be neurotic about their appearance? There are whole industries designed to create and profit from women's insecurity. Girls hear those messages from a very young age, don't you think they would internalize those messages?
Most men are selfish too and they aren't all lining up to start families and live traditional lives either, you know both men and women have issues, right? Why do you act like it's just women? Are the majority of men trad, well adjusted and suited to parenthood? Men want to have their cake and to eat it too.
What's with the men on here accusing anyone that disagrees with them of being emotional? Let off the capslock man.

No, he kicked her out because she is selfish and did NOTHING to contribute to the relationship.

No finances, no work, nothing at all domestically.

There is no "If she didn't take care of her looks and he left her...."

That is utter nonsense.

He left her because SHE DID NOTHING that a good person does in a relationship.

Man OR Woman.

She contributed NOTHING.

And if a Man did the same things, you hypocrites would be crucifying him for it.

 

[MikeyFitz]

so why do women care so much about their appearance?
i sure hear a lot of women express how insecure they are about their looks when they find their boyfriends or husbands spend their time jerking off to porn, drooling over women on OF and instagram. If she didn't take care of her looks and he left her you'd be blaming her for not caring that men are visual etc etc. Mothers will shame their own daughters for not being attractive, spend 5 minutes online as a woman and you will find tons of men saying women are ugly old and essentially worthless past 30 when they lose their looks, and you expect women not to be neurotic about their appearance? There are whole industries designed to create and profit from women's insecurity. Girls hear those messages from a very young age, don't you think they would internalize those messages?
Most men are selfish too and they aren't all lining up to start families and live traditional lives either, you know both men and women have issues, right? Why do you act like it's just women? Are the majority of men trad, well adjusted and suited to parenthood? Men want to have their cake and to eat it too.
What's with the men on here accusing anyone that disagrees with them of being emotional? Let off the capslock man

And you are going to HATE this part.

Brad was raised by parents who are still together.

His Dad was a pilot and had to leave work for a time because he had cancer.

Brad's mother, who had always stayed home and did not have to work, got TWO JOBS to replace the income that the Dad no longer brought home due to disability.

That great woman helped nurse him back to health while also taking care of all the standard domestic stuff around the house.

So you think that Brad saw his mother as an amazing woman?

Do you think Brad believed that women could be amazing, great team members in a family?

Do you think my daughter would have won points with Brad if she would have just washed a dish or did a load of laundry now and then?

Do you think they would still be together now if she would have made the slightest effort to carry her own weight in that relationship?

What has happened to our women today?

Why do they feel that doing for a man or a family that which they have to do for themselves anyway is somehow a prison or slavery?

The greatest people on Earth are the greatest servants to others.

Serving strangers makes you a Saint but serving your own husband and family makes you an idiot?

We have been so brainwashed.

 

[Mephisto]

LMFAO!!!!!

How is it a tangent to provide a very specific example of the very problem we're talking about?

YOU are the one who goes on tangents like "male homosexuality in Greece two thousand years ago."

Which has NOTHING to do with the thread "The Promiscuous, Career Focused Single Woman"

My daughter is a promiscuous, career focused single woman.

The EXACT thing we're talking about.

Stop trolling, please.

that's a different person you were talking to actually

And you are going to HATE this part.

Brad was raised by parents who are still together.

His Dad was a pilot and had to leave work for a time because he had cancer.

Brad's mother, who had always stayed home and did not have to work, got TWO JOBS to replace the income that the Dad no longer brought home due to disability.

That great woman helped nurse him back to health while also taking care of all the standard domestic stuff around the house.

So you think that Brad saw his mother as an amazing woman?

Do you think Brad believed that women could be amazing, great team members in a family?

Do you think my daughter would have won points with Brad if she would have just washed a dish or did a load of laundry now and then?

Do you think they would still be together now if she would have made the slightest effort to carry her own weight in that relationship?

What has happened to our women today?

Why do they feel that doing for a man or a family that which they have to do for themselves anyway is somehow a prison or slavery?

The greatest people on Earth are the greatest servants to others.

Serving strangers makes you a Saint but serving your own husband and family makes you an idiot?

We have been so brainwashed.

why would i hate that? i never said women shouldn't do anything at home, i said you should have thought your daughter the basic stuff you expressed she didn't know how to do. both men and women should be able to do those things. It's impossible to have a discussion if you confuse who you are speaking with. My main argument is that both men and women suck now, generally, and it's unreasonable to place all the blame on women. The things women do wrong are more apparent to you, because that is what you focus on as a man, and what you deal with most, i will notice more of what men are doing, because that affects me more since I'm not dating women. Maybe next time brad should not pick a woman based on looks and be surprised when she turns out not to be very domestic though. You know brad is responsible for his partner choice too. I know so many men that complain about their partners, but if you asked what they saw in them it was always their looks. Not a very good basis for choosing a partner.

 

[MikeyFitz]

that's a different person you were talking to actually

why would i hate that? i never said women shouldn't do anything at home, i said you should have thought your daughter the basic stuff you expressed she didn't know how to do. both men and women should be able to do those things. It's impossible to have a discussion if you confuse who you are speaking with. My main argument is that both men and women suck now, generally, and it's unreasonable to place all the blame on women. The things women do wrong are more apparent to you, because that is what you focus on as a man, and what you deal with most, i will notice more of what men are doing, because that affects me more since I'm not dating women. Maybe next time brad should not pick a woman based on looks and be surprised when she turns out not to be very domestic though. You know brad is responsible for his partner choice too. I know so many men that complain about their partners, but if you asked what they saw in them it was always their looks. Not a very good basis for choosing a partner.

So it's Brad's fault that Caitlin was a selfish brat in their relationship and did nothing to pull her own weight?

LMFAO!!!!

He dated her for a LONG time and discovered that, no matter how long they were together, Caitlin would just never come around and do her share.

That's why you date. To find out if you can get along.


So a woman can't be drop dead gorgeous and also a domestic goddess?

I've known a lot of women like that.

My daughter Caitlin's mother taught her that she did not have to do ANYTHING domestic because "pretty women can have a rich husband who will pay someone to do all those things."

Her twin sister did NOT agree with that philosophy and liked to do all her own laundry and cook her own meals. So she learned how to do those things.

So now the twin has a great relationship with a good man and Caitlin has squat.

Moral of the story?

Nobody likes a selfish b****.

Pretty goes away some day.

If you can't have both beauty and character, be with a woman who is less attractive and has more substance to her.

 

[Zellig Pliskin]

Living shouldn't be this difficult.

When has living ever been been easy?

 

[Mephisto]

So it's Brad's fault that Caitlin was a selfish brat in their relationship and did nothing to pull her own weight?

LMFAO!!!!

He dated her for a LONG time and discovered that, no matter how long they were together, Caitlin would just never come around and do her share.

That's why you date. To find out if you can get along.


So a woman can't be drop dead gorgeous and also a domestic goddess?

I've known a lot of women like that.

My daughter Caitlin's mother taught her that she did not have to do ANYTHING domestic because "pretty women can have a rich husband who will pay someone to do all those things."

Her twin sister did NOT agree with that philosophy and liked to do all her own laundry and cook her own meals. So she learned how to do those things.

So now the twin has a great relationship with a good man and Caitlin has squat.

Moral of the story?

Nobody likes a selfish b****.

Pretty goes away some day.

If you can't have both beauty and character, be with a woman who is less attractive and has more substance to her.

so i was right, poor parenting was the problem. Why did you choose to have kids with a woman like that, you don't take any responsibility for your part in this.

 

[Jennifer]

Here is a story that will HOPEFULLY help people to objectively understand the problem:

A very pretty woman of 26 yrs old meets a man her age at their place of work.

She has a slightly lower position in the company, so he makes slightly more money than she does.

They begin dating shortly after they meet at work and the relationship soon becomes serious.

Because they travel a lot for work, they stay together in the same hotel room.

He pays for everything for the both of them (hotel, meals, entertainment, etc.) with his per diem, while she saves her per diem and puts it in the bank.

He has saved his money throughout his career and purchases a home in Florida.

The home is on the water, has a boat dock, a boat, and is in a beautiful location.

He completely renovates the home with his brother and Dad assisting, and he puts everything she wants in the home.

Quartz counters, custom kitchen, top of the line appliances, flooring, everything.

The renovated house is immaculate.

He also does all the cooking, all the laundry, all the grocery shopping, and all of the maintenance outside of the home.

In other words, he does everything around the home and pays for everything.

The only thing she does is spend all of her money on herself....hair, nails, tanning, clothes, massages, etc.

In fact, she does not even know HOW to do anything around the house.

She cannot cook, does not even know how to sort the laundry and put it in the machine and press the correct buttons.

She does nothing whatsoever to either pay for or run the home.

But then comes home with a chocolate Labrador Retriever puppy without even talking to him about it first!!!!

One day after they have been living in his completely renovated home on the water for over a year, he asks her "hey, love of my life....do you think you could select some flowers that you like and plant them in the bed on the front walk?"

Her response?

"Ewwww, I do not do manual labor and I am not going to wreck my nails doing that kind of work. Can't you pay a landscaper to do that?"

Yet, she has the nerve to say to this man a short time later "So after 6 years of being together, are you still thinking about getting married and having kids?"

His response......"Yes, but not with you."

A week later they decided the best thing was for them to go their separate ways.

She rented a truck and her sister and mother helped her move all of her things out of his house and she moved across the country to Utah.


Yes, that is a very sad story because to this day that woman can NOT figure out why a very good man decided that she was not good material to be a wife and mother.

That is the true story of my daughter, Caitlin, and her boyfriend, Brad.

THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!

This is a problem in America.

Good men cannot find women who are prepared to be wives and mothers because they believe what they see on TV and in the movies.

They believe that they have to do nothing more than "look good" and then everything will be handed to them.

Now, how do we solve this?

Don’t start building a life with someone when they show you early on who they are and they aren’t someone you would want to build a life with?

 

[Zellig Pliskin]

I believe that faith in Jesus Christ, and then a high resting metabolic rate are all-encompassing solutions for the problem of modern man-woman relations.

 

[MikeyFitz]

Don’t start building a life with someone when they show you early on who they are and they aren’t someone you would want to build a life with?

Excellent answer.

I think dating and really trying to find out if you can live with the person long-term would fix a lot of this.

People start having sex very early in a relationship and get very attached to the other person.

Then people tend to overlook red flags and it becomes more difficult to end the relationship because of the bonding that has taken place through sex.

I think the traditional way of waiting before having sex is very wise.