Endotoxin May Be The Real Cause Of "AIDS"

[Rafe]

I think Duesberg's argument that HIV could not epidemiologically choose gay men, iv drug users, or African blacks is provocative b/c it suggests cultural and ideological causes of disease interpretation. The way he demonstrates how death from AIDS & ARC are calculated to find these groups representative of the thing we refer to when we say "AIDS" is an important challenge to the conventional view, the way I see it. Not all people who succumb to fungal pneumonia or Kaposi's are calculated as AIDS victims.

There are other threads about Duesberg's dissent and the politics of his views. I do not know whether or not he is correct. But improving metabolism can only help people get and stay well as they can be. Abusing the metabolism clearly makes the body vulnerable to opportunistic disease processes. On this I cannot disagree with him.

 

[Travis]

Even as good is Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, who actually got her HIV criticism into print one your before Duesberg. HIV & AIDS - Is HIV the Cause of AIDS? An interview with Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos

I just read this long interview and it deals with the shaky science done by Dr. Gallo in the early days of HIV/AIDS research, and his failed cancer virus before that.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Duesberg is right, but the bigger fraud is that any viral condition can become deadly when you give chemicals that increase NO. The highest death rate from flu and herpetic encephalitis in the USA is in the group of older males taking Viagra for ED or nitroglycerin for heart angina. Have you seen the ads about shingles (reactivation of chickenpox virus) on TV? Do you think it is coincidence most of the actors are older males, probably taking some kind of drug with pro-NO effects?

Do you have a study on this?

 

[Area-1255]

Phosphodiestearase 8A (PDE8A) is also involved with HIV-Replication, supposedly, that's IF you buy into the HIV story.
Phosphodiesterase 8a supports HIV-1 replication in macrophages at the level of reverse transcription. - PubMed - NCBI
Phosphodiesterase 8a Supports HIV-1 Replication in Macrophages at the Level of Reverse Transcription
Polymorphism in HIV-1 dependency factor PDE8A affects mRNA level and HIV-1 replication in primary macrophages. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[ecstatichamster]

Phosphodiestearase 8A (PDE8A) is also involved with HIV-Replication, supposedly, that's IF you buy into the HIV story.
Phosphodiesterase 8a supports HIV-1 replication in macrophages at the level of reverse transcription. - PubMed - NCBI
Phosphodiesterase 8a Supports HIV-1 Replication in Macrophages at the Level of Reverse Transcription
Polymorphism in HIV-1 dependency factor PDE8A affects mRNA level and HIV-1 replication in primary macrophages. - PubMed - NCBI

Thank you. But but we are talking PDE5 inhibitors. Supposedly the ED drugs are very enzyme specific.

 

[haidut]

Do you have a study on this?

Well, there are quite a few studies on role of NO in viral pathology and especially herpes reactivation. Most doctors know about the danger of taking arginine while having a herpes outbreak. But here are some studies about role of NO in flu and HIV.
Inducible nitric oxide contributes to viral pathogenesis following highly pathogenic influenza virus infection in mice
Human Immunodeficiency Virus-1–Infected Macrophages Induce Inducible Nitric Oxide Synthase and Nitric Oxide (NO) Production in Astrocytes: Astrocytic NO as a Possible Mediator of Neural Damage in Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome | Blood Journal
Nitric oxide and virus infection. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Peata]

I know a couple people who got HIV from blood transfusions back in the day.

 

[ecstatichamster]

thanks @haidut Really interesting!!!

 

[haidut]

I know a couple people who got HIV from blood transfusions back in the day.

Did they go on to develop "AIDS" or are they simply carriers of the virus?

 

[Peata]

Did they go on to develop "AIDS" or are they simply carriers of the virus?

One deteriorated, lost weight, very sick, and when I saw him in the hospital before he died (mid 1990s), he was very swollen up with what I believe they said was, "congestive heart failure". The other person is alive and thriving, on drugs that seem to suppress the virus.

 

[Travis]

One deteriorated, lost weight, very sick, and when I saw him in the hospital before he died (mid 1990s), he was very swollen up with what I believe they said was, "congestive heart failure". The other person is alive and thriving, on drugs that seem to suppress the virus.

Did the person who died take AZT?

 

[Peata]

Did the person who died take AZT?

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about his treatments.

 

[Simonsays]

I thought that HIV acquired by men through sex was significantly lower in circumcised men and that the foreskin was the point of entry. There were studies in Nigeria, that HIV rates very low in the Muslim (circumcised) population, compared to the Christian.

Also some African female prostitutes who were routinely having unprotected sex with HIV infected men were not acquiring it as they had developed some kind of antibody??

Just my 2 cents.

This being the Ray Peat forum i await another theory from the "Internet", that it was brought from space by aliens then used and covered up by the CIA in Vietnam War....etc etc

 

[ecstatichamster]

Just about everything written about it is wrong. That much I know. It's one of the worst medical travesties.

 

[Area-1255]

HIV/AIDS is a scam by the medical industry, it's a perfect example of indirect manipulation and psychological disturbances in the naive.

 

[Area-1255]

Thank you. But but we are talking PDE5 inhibitors. Supposedly the ED drugs are very enzyme specific.

PDE8 is what I was talking about, not PDE5, read it again.

 

[ecstatichamster]

PDE8 is what I was talking about, not PDE5, read it again.

yes, I know. Viagra et al are primarily PDE5 inhibitors though...

 

[Travis]

HIV & AIDS - Do antibody tests prove HIV infection? An interview with Valendar Turner

This is a very good interview as well and very easy to understand. The situation of HIV testing reminds me of Joseph Heller's novel "Catch 22".

 

[tara]

Seems quite possible that endotoxin absorption and other anti-metabolic conditions could make one more vulnerable to viral infection and damage, HIV and others.

but couldn't anal sex result in some tissue damage, mechanically speaking? Like micro-tears that would allow bacteria in to the blood stream that shouldn't be there?

Yes damage to tissues. I think that's the maintream explanation for why anal is riskier for transmission of the virus, though vaginal also occurs.

People in the first half of the 20th century (and before) did a lot more unprotected sex and had much lower rates of STD infections.

Do you have evidence for this? That would not have been my intuitive guess.

while male to female transmission is highly unlikely

IIUC, the high rates of infection in some African countries includes a lot of male-> female transmission. I imagine widespread poverty stress and malnutrition contributes to vulnerability.

 

[Peata]

male to female transmission is highly unlikely.

IIUC, the high rates of infection in some African countries includes a lot of male-> female transmission. I imagine widespread poverty stress and malnutrition contributes to vulnerability.

http://www.health24.com/Medical/HIV-AIDS/News/Mass-rape-in-Africa-ups-HIV-spread-20120721
Violence against girls and women linked to spread of HIV/AIDS