Addicted To Pornography

[TopG]

How to break the cycle from a hormonal peaty view? This doesn’t apply to me but I know a friend who’s severely addicted to porn.

Perhaps lowering starches and favoring simple sugars to have clear head alongside methylene blue supplementation for its mental benefits? Willpower is key at the end.

What has helped you?

 

[ianfis]

To me it’s chiefly an environmental issue with some physiological solutions that can aid. There are probably times when your friend is properly stimulated that masturbating doesn’t even come to his mind besides despite being “addicted” to it. It should be his goal to maximize these situations. His body is just screaming for dopamine. I fervently disagree with the willpower mindset.
The physiological solutions that would best help would probably be daily carrot salad + reduction of starches and more sugar. Meth blue could be tried later.

 

[TopG]

To me it’s chiefly an environmental issue with some physiological solutions that can aid. There are probably times when your friend is properly stimulated that masturbating doesn’t even come to his mind besides despite being “addicted” to it. It should be his goal to maximize these situations. His body is just screaming for dopamine. I fervently disagree with the willpower mindset.
The physiological solutions that would best help would probably be daily carrot salad + reduction of starches and more sugar. Meth blue could be tried later.

Thanks!

I notice having strong cravings for porn when eating lots of honey and raw meat. I think higher testosterone makes one more eager to watch porn.

I jerked off 8-9x times daily when I had steroid like T.

 

[Gooner]

Are you the incel guy? You always seem to be posting something sexual...

It has been readily discussed by Ray Peat and Haidut that excess estrogen leads to an unnatural over drive in libido.

 

[cs3000]

How to break the cycle from a hormonal peaty view? This doesn’t apply to me but I know a friend who’s severely addicted to porn.

Perhaps lowering starches and favoring simple sugars to have clear head alongside methylene blue supplementation for its mental benefits? Willpower is key at the end.

What has helped you?

i think its probably better to go for more behavioral & perspective approach than hormonal. if you think about it its mostly not actually sex drive that creates the problem, unless its extreme like someone on meth or something ,
its more about behavioral repetition that creates an emotional IMPRINT to repeat the behavior , more like video game dopamine
but i guess dopaminergic things can make the situation more difficult when trying to get that initial break away in the first couple weeks
(including playing video games for hours in the initial period - which is training less conscious will and more automatic mindlessness)


might be helpful to look at at from a neuroplastic approach. the more you do something the more you tend to do it. the less you do something the less you tend to do it. & to look at it like a drug.


people often watch porn to get a spike in stimulation out of emotional numbness
(but porn actually creates more emotional numbness in a cycle by making life less rewarding - no different to addictive drugs) ,
or people look at porn just because of recent endless dopamine spikes from the prior time triggering more "starting ideas"or clicks the next time - as the brain wiring gets more & more strengthened for that behavior [neuroplasticity]

the reptile brain thinks thats the quickest way to "reward" because its still fresh from the last time (even if consciously you regretted it after and know you didn't get an overall benefit,
wasting life & feeling fried, soul drained, weak, anxious,
unhuman, emotionally numb days later from reward system overload & deactivation, etc).

so emotions get re-generated pointing in porns direction to go for more, even if you consciously committed to being done with that ***t just a day or 2 ago.
or you inevitably come across a a sexually suggestive / attractive image again. then because searching for more was the recent behavior there's little space between your conscious understanding and the emotional click for more, boom same regretted story repeats.


the goal is to get enough time away from it and establish a new normal,
so the pattern has less weight & is easier to deal with at times you could fall for the trap in the future.

it fades over time back to a more balanced state. mostly after the first few weeks probably


once the process is started with a click or searching for a "starting trap" idea, you get flooded with sexual imagery which sustains a dopamine loop, with little ability to stop until dopamine is drained again & you're fried often hours later. and if not there yet u probably will be as it escalates, its how the brain works in response to continual stimuli.

in a way porn can be more of a problem than some drugs because its so readily available anywhere within 10 seconds. you dont need to get money for it & you dont need to go anywhere to get it. and its a built in part of the brain to some extent, & especially for people born in the 90s or 2000s whos brains adapated around way more tech stimulus.
so trying out / getting clear on an effective way to prevent your brain wiring this routine is a good idea as it can easily stick once set on it & be a drain on life


so the key is in not giving away your power, BEFORE following the starting traps, by:

1. being aware of the starting traps as they come especially in the first week or 2 of stopping when it's freshest in the brain ->
which are emotionalized ideas of an idea to search for, or starting trap as an image you come across leading to an idea to scroll for more on repeat
(some form of daily 5min - 10min meditation practice might help raise consciousness / awareness. or phone reminders to prime yourself for awareness)

2. expecting positive emotion from fading it out and keeping negative expectation from starting it up again (setting an alarm on your phone with reminders of reasons / goal might be helpful for the initial month of resetting your brain, keeping your intention primed while you fade it out)

and 3. having a redirect strategy as the new norm to replace the harmful routine


something useful is practicing fapping with imagination 2 or 3+ days in the first week or 2, without any visual stimulus, even if it might seem 'boring' at first its not about that - its about resetting to healthier living and destroying a harmful behavior. so every practice is +1 win initially.

with this you are actively re-establishing new brain structures as the new normal. which gives you a practical way to decline the porn cycle again by going to that the next time you recognize an idea that dopamine center comes up with to start the same unhealthy destructive process.
otherwise without that practiced as recent behavior there's no quick alternative to go to on demand when the next dopamine "idea" / impulse hits, the porn cycle happens all over again.
so those steps are 1 way to get the distance & reset to balance

 

[Hesperian]

Read The Easy Peasy Method: EasyPeasy

 

[methylenewhite]

Porn rises estrogen and prolactin, fapping rises it even further and ejaculation makes it peak. It creates vicious cycle. This vicious cycle rewires your brain. Use aromatases inhibitors to break this cycle. 2,5 mg of letrozole once a week works just fine. You don't need to stay on letro forever, only for a couple of months to let your brain get back to normal functioning.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Here is serial killer Ted Bundy, talking about how all sorts of predators are deeply involved with pornography (from 1989, the "hardcore" stuff might be very easily accessed now)-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfwJeHtrWNI



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi91kfUQ6hU&t=4s


Elizabeth Smart, who was kidnapped at 14, talks about how pornography made her captivity worse-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFUb5l7aO2w


A "Jane Doe" talking about how a big and supposedly "reputable" porn company trafficked and forced her to "perform" against her will-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVHJW5j7cYQ


It's a horrid industry. I think keeping this in mind, while focusing on energy retention or other methods, can help. This industry is a demon that must be starved and slayed. Not every woman in that industry is being forced or trafficked..... but any woman (or even men) that you see could be. I knew some women when I used to live in Hollywood, years ago, that engaged in some sort of sex work. I knew of self harm and suicide attempts by those women (one a good friend), but didn't know of any such attempts among other people that I knew.

I think it's easy to break a promise to yourself. It helps me to think of starving the demon to help honor my friend.

 

[Makrosky]

To me it’s chiefly an environmental issue with some physiological solutions that can aid. There are probably times when your friend is properly stimulated that masturbating doesn’t even come to his mind besides despite being “addicted” to it. It should be his goal to maximize these situations. His body is just screaming for dopamine. I fervently disagree with the willpower mindset.
The physiological solutions that would best help would probably be daily carrot salad + reduction of starches and more sugar. Meth blue could be tried later.

This.
Time outside in sunlight.
Socializing properly.
Low screen time.
Meaningful activities.
Sorround yourself with beautiness.
Cut stimulants.
Lower stress.
Then pornography feels kinda gross and unnecessary.
Which is strange because I think a bit of it is even probably beneficial.

 

[Makrosky]

Thanks!

I notice having strong cravings for porn when eating lots of honey and raw meat. I think higher testosterone makes one more eager to watch porn.

I jerked off 8-9x times daily when I had steroid like T.

Sounds more like estrogen. Aromatization.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Then pornography feels kinda gross and unnecessary.
Which is strange because I think a bit of it is even probably beneficial.

Curious why you think a little might be beneficial. I used to think it was probably mostly harmless, but didn't think it was really "beneficial" in any way.

This wouldn't necessarily apply to true art that featured the naked form, but I don't think what is "porn" today really qualifies as art in any meaningful sense.

 

[Makrosky]

Curious why you think a little might be beneficial. I used to think it was probably mostly harmless, but didn't think it was really "beneficial" in any way.

This wouldn't necessarily apply to true art that featured the naked form, but I don't think what is "porn" today really qualifies as art in any meaningful sense.

Totally based on personal experience. Whenever I don't watch any porn for long times and don't have sex either, I kinda start becoming asexual mentally. Like think women are asexual too. A bit of porn reminds me women are sexual (whether it is fake acting or not).

Other than that I think porn is generally not beneficial no.

 

[peatmoss]

I noticed the compulsion is much more manageable if i take some sort of parasite killer. The best parasite killer ive ever taken was fresh black walnut hull, (harvested it myself). For whatever reason every formula that i ever bought never really killed anything off. But i cant remember if i noticed the compulsion for porn got better while taking these. I noticed ivermectin helps control the compulsion as well. Kinda make sense cause we know that some parasites will make people more promiscuous. Like toxoplasmosis. Two other things that i noticed that helps is dandelion root and burdock root that i dug up myself. Probably the easiest way to try this is to buy some ivermectin and see if it helps.

 

[AgentCranberry]

How to break the cycle from a hormonal peaty view? This doesn’t apply to me but I know a friend who’s severely addicted to porn.

Perhaps lowering starches and favoring simple sugars to have clear head alongside methylene blue supplementation for its mental benefits? Willpower is key at the end.

What has helped you?

Tell him to pray 5 decades of the Rosary every day. Certainly, he will either stop praying or stop watching pornography.
(message me if you want more information in this regard, both English and German are fine)

Also, does he have a meaningful way to spend his time? Does he work or study? Maybe you can pick up a nice hobby together with him, e.g. bouldering.

 

[SonOfEurope]

Socialize with women - even those who have similar addiction to you.

- Learn to to gradullay feel a connection to a woman's flesh and sexually, it will be gradual but it's the first step out.

- Get in the habit of a proper circadian rhythm... wake up before or right at sunrise, your symptoms will amerolite with the growing days of spring.

- Less fat, more carbohydrates without sacrificing K and D status (see my posts)

- Progesterone can help immensely.... but some male members have reported negative libido reports so I'm not too sure.. if you ever use it make sure it's only applied below the belly button.

Progesterone helps a male connect with the female's sexuality. Through relationships and passion, but not all report the same so try pregnenolone first. (Low dose)

 

[SonOfEurope]

Learn to kiss a woman.... to love her delicious flesh... its the first step out of the NWO trap.

 

[tankasnowgod]

- Progesterone can help immensely.... but some male members have reported negative libido reports so I'm not too sure.. if you ever use it make sure it's only applied below the belly button.

I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, so long as you aren't damaging yourself or your organs in any way. I think there are some doing "NoFap" that are looking to chemically castrate themselves, and that's no good. But, it would seem any negative or lowering of libido from progesterone, even high doses, is both temporary and potentially therapeutic (unlike, say, trying to kill your libido with something like finasteride, which would be potentially damaging).

A period of flatlining (so called) or lowered libido may simply be an adjustment, towards either healthier attraction behaviors (towards real world women), or possibly a period of rest and recuperation for those organs and such. Just like there is nothing all that great about the 4 hour erection from sildenafil, there could be an unusually high level of "libido stimulation" that no real world man ever experiences before the internet (except maybe some kings in history with huge harems, and even those harems may have been dwarfed by the voyeurism of internet porn), and that has become very common for the modern man.

 

[SonOfEurope]

Exactly, I just didn't want to give advice that inevitably pushes a man too far.

BECOME SOCIAL WITH WOMEN - THIS WILL HELP RESET YOUR MIND TOWARDS NATURAL SEX - even if you are rejected many times - it's the most crucial part of re- sensitizing the brain towards a normal reward system for sex. It works.

 

[Vileplume]

Here is serial killer Ted Bundy, talking about how all sorts of predators are deeply involved with pornography (from 1989, the "hardcore" stuff might be very easily accessed now)-

It's powerful to hear him describe pornography as "damaging" and discuss how it "brings about" certain behavior. He suggests not that deranged people seek out porn (though this is likely true) but rather that porn causes derangement.

Even though he explicitly mentions violent pornography, this also must apply to non-violent porn due to its deep stimulation, especially when the viewer participates in imagination by touching themselves. While watching porn, you are performing the action in your imagination. Then you must go out into the real world, as a man, and interact with women.

At the very least, that seems like a recipe for terrible cognitive dissonance and suppressed mental imagery. At the very worst, it could lead to the behaviors he's talking about.

 

[tankasnowgod]

It's powerful to hear him describe pornography as "damaging" and discuss how it "brings about" certain behavior. He suggests not that deranged people seek out porn (though this is likely true) but rather that porn causes derangement.

It used to be, just a few short decades ago, that you had to seek out porn. Whether that was going out to get a magazine, or rent a movie, or what have you. It became easier with the advent of cable and PPV to get it in your own home, but you still had to arrange some sort of contract to pay for it (like, say, calling your cable company to get the Spice network, or whatever). But now (much like a Yakov Smirnoff joke), porn really can seek out you. It could be a popup ad, or a NSFW google search or what have you. And you don't have to pay with money of account, but simply with your time (and maybe your soul).

It will absolutely shape your thinking, over time. Regular TV and movies can do the same thing.

Even though he explicitly mentions violent pornography, this also must apply to non-violent porn due to its deep stimulation, especially when the viewer participates in imagination by touching themselves. While watching porn, you are performing the action in your imagination. Then you must go out into the real world, as a man, and interact with women.

At the very least, that seems like a recipe for terrible cognitive dissonance and suppressed mental imagery. At the very worst, it could lead to the behaviors he's talking about.

In the United States, the 13th Amendment legalized slavery, so long as you had been convicted of a crime first (and if you don't think of prisoners as slave labor, you should look up Unicor). The US now has the world's largest prison population, both by sheer numbers, and per capita. The incarceration rate has been rising since the 70s, and since Bundy recorded that final interview, just before his execution-

Incarceration Rate in the United States, 1960-2012 | The Hamilton Project

The Hamilton Project seeks to advance America's promise of opportunity, prosperity, and growth.

www.hamiltonproject.org

Certainly, there are a myriad of reasons for that. But, along with rise in prisoners, the porn industry has also exploded, thanks to VHS, DVD, cable, PPV, and finally, high speed internet. It's also gotten more acceptable over time, thanks to movies like The People Vs. Larry Flynt, and such. It certainly makes sense that it is being used as a tool to enslave the population, directly through private prisons and trafficking and such, but also mentally, sapping people's energy and destroying relationship and families and such. It does seem like there are both more psycho and sociopaths out there, as well as "normal" people displaying more of those tendencies.

It certainly makes sense that the rise in the porn industry has been a contributing factor in that.

If you can make it through "Jane Doe's" interview, there is some potential good news in there, that things might finally be starting to swing the other way. Many of the tube sites have had to take some financial hits, and scale things back. I can also see a way that she (and her fellow "Jane Doe" casemates) could potentially strike a huge financial blow to this business model. Each girl apparently owns their video now, but they still get uploaded to those sites all the time. Well, since it's now their property, they have the right to hit those sites with a commercial lien, very similar to a "mechanic's lien." The lien could be for a very high dollar amount (hundreds of millions), and could freeze the assets and/or bankrupt companies that profit off their "work." There's a document floating around the web called "Commercial Liens, A Most Potent Weapon," and I hope one (or all) of the Jane's she refers to finds that document and uses that strategy.