Ray Peat orientated Wiki

[cantstoppeating]

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burt-
I have no problem with explaining and backing up stuff about Peat.
It is only the appropriate fitting of such material into Wikipedia that I believe would be problematic.

But apparently cantstoppeating does not intend a real Wiki page anyhow...

The term 'wiki' is used loosely seeing as if one wants an objective viewpoint of Peat's ideas they're better off reading his articles or a wiki hosted officially on wikipedia. I was largely referring to 'wiki' as a good platform for organising the best of this forum's actionable advice with a simple intro to Peat.

The point here is to create a brief introduction to Peat's nutrional philosophy, with articles on common problems+solutions, in a way that's easy for a layman to understand. This resource is to help people take action towards improving their health. This is a far better approach than creating an apparent objective encyclopaedia of Peat's work that would only benefit a research scientist.

...so...nevermind.

Here's what a 'real wiki page' is:

A wiki is an application, typically a web application, which allows collaborative modification, extension, or deletion of its content and structure...

What we absolutely don't need is pages of rambling or obscure scientific jargon that only leaves people more confused and lost about what to do with their health. The fastest way to do that would be to have an 'objective' unbiased Peat resource.

What we absolutely do need is a simple introduction to Peat that describes his view of health (1), with actionable steps for solving common problems (2) and more in-depth articles as required e.g. co2, serotonin, red light etc. (3). Including references to backup claims where appropriate.

For (1) I've put the following outline on the main page (which I've begun to fill out):

What is Stress?

• Difference between 'stress' used in everyday language and 'stress' used in physiology
• Brief intro to Hans Selye and others' work
• Why prolonged stress is destructive to the body

What is Metabolism and why should I maintain a High Metabolism?

• Basic and brief introduction to how the body produces 'energy'
• Introduce Low-metabolism vs High-metabolism along with 'rate of living' hypothesis
• Why maintaining a high metabolism is ideal

This should be the first thing the newcomer sees and should serve as a good introduction to the world of Peat before branching off into deeper territories.

There's no reason we can't have objective articles about co2, serotonin, red light etc. In fact perhaps narouz can begin working on these for the wiki.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

Is it alright If I begin to add some stuff to the wiki?

 

[charlie]

Is it alright If I begin to add some stuff to the wiki?

Yes, anyone can add info to the wiki.

 

[charlie]

The wiki is back up. I had to take it down to implement some anti-spam features so that should be all set now.

 

[charlie]

I am going to take down the wiki and start it fresh again. In the time that we did not have spam controls there was over 500 pages added. Should have it all set up by the end of the day.

 

[Strongbad]

Having a wiki will be a huge help, especially to beginners. It'll reduce tons of hours and days of reading forum posts to figure out what needs to be done to start the diet. Everything will be comprehensive and easily available within a few mouse clicks.

 

[charlie]

Having a wiki will be a huge help, especially to beginners. It'll reduce tons of hours and days of reading forum posts to figure out what needs to be done to start the diet. Everything will be comprehensive and easily available within a few mouse clicks.

Agreed. I know haidut is working on some submissions and I hope others will to.

 

[charlie]

Ok I think we are good to go now.

 

[charlie]

Bump. Not a single wiki article yet. Lots of good ideas in this thread for articles. I know haidut is working on something. Anyone else have anything in the works?

 

[narouz]

Bump. Not a single wiki article yet. Lots of good ideas in this thread for articles. I know haidut is working on something. Anyone else have anything in the works?

I do apologize,
but for some reason the purpose of this wiki thing
will not penetrate into my conscious understanding.

Here's what I grasp:
it is a Wikipedia page,
but it will not actually appear on Wikipedia.

Is that right?

 

[charlie]

Bump. Not a single wiki article yet. Lots of good ideas in this thread for articles. I know haidut is working on something. Anyone else have anything in the works?

I do apologize,
but for some reason the purpose of this wiki thing
will not penetrate into my conscious understanding.

Here's what I grasp:
it is a Wikipedia page,
but it will not actually appear on Wikipedia.

Is that right?

Right, its the Ray Peat Forum Wiki.

 

[narouz]

Bump. Not a single wiki article yet. Lots of good ideas in this thread for articles. I know haidut is working on something. Anyone else have anything in the works?

I do apologize,
but for some reason the purpose of this wiki thing
will not penetrate into my conscious understanding.

Here's what I grasp:
it is a Wikipedia page,
but it will not actually appear on Wikipedia.

Is that right?

Right, its the Ray Peat Forum Wiki.

Thanks, Charlie.

Will it use the same formatting as the real Wikipedia does?
Same kind of structure, intro, headings, sections, etc...?

Also, a related question:
on the real Wikipedia
there would seem to be some pressure toward conciseness.
It is flexible,
but I would judge that it is still there.
For example, you look at the Wiki page for Israel-Palestine conflict,
it is pretty long--
but that is a very complex topic.
Still...it is not like 100 pages long.
And if you look at, say, famous scientists--
a slot closer to one Peat might inhabit--
I'd guess they typically run a page or two
off the top of my head...

So, my question is, with this Ray Peat Forum pretend Wiki page,
will there be any effort towards concision?
Or can anybody stick anything in there
and it could run to, like, 1000 pages or more...?

 

[Philomath]

There are 2 big problems with the way Ray presents his work:

- Ray affirms that cultured cells don't need PUFAS to thrive. This would certainly constitute a rock solid proof of his views on PUFAS, but i'm having big difficulties in finding the published scientific studies proving it.

This is more indirect but I believe it proves his point:
DNeurobiology of Essential Fatty Acids
edited by Nicolas G. Bazan, Mary G. Murphy, Gino Toffanooes this count?

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100 ... -3426-6_15

 

[Such_Saturation]

It's hard to prove it. It's harder when they haven't yet grown any ears.

 

[burtlancast]

This is more indirect but I believe it proves his point:
DNeurobiology of Essential Fatty Acids
edited by Nicolas G. Bazan, Mary G. Murphy, Gino Toffanooes this count?

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100 ... -3426-6_15

That's certainly better than culture of animal cells.
This culture of human cancers does constitute a good start.
But i think the undisputable proof would be a culture of human neurons ( non cancerous) ?

I don't think any reasonable person would still argue PUFAS are essential if it could be proven, without any doubt, that human neurons grow artificially without them.

I'm sure the study is somewhere, but i can't find it.

 

[charlie]

We have our very first wiki entry thanks to "sheik"!

http://wiki.raypeatforum.com/index.php/ ... _Exchanges

 

[Giraffe]

How to measure temps and pulse.

+1 ... and how to interpret the results.

Any volunteer to write a short article?