How Much Gelatin Is Safe?

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I have been getting 150g of gelatin lately (the great lakes green can)
with only a tin amount of muscle meat.

is this ideal or no?
 

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You may want to make sure that this doesn't lead to too much copper in your overall diet.
 
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there is also a fair amount of l-arginine in this so you want to balance it with a bit more muscle meat maybe...
 

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Any recommendations on a starting point for a daily amount of gelatin? I just ordered some myself. Thanks.
 

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RP mentioned that for an adult gelatin can be 50 percent of total protein intake.
This is not applicable to growing children. One of the reason RP recommends
adequate protein intake for good liver function
is to maintain a good level of albumin, which is well over 40.
It would be a good idea to check your blood albumin level.

@dbh25
If i remember correctly ,RP recommends 10-20 grams of gelatin with muscle meat to
balance the amino acids ratio. In my experience even 10 grams of gelatin has
significant amount of benefit. Some people do have digestive problem with gelatin.
When you add gelatin to your diet pay attention to digestion. Undigested gelatin
feed bacteria and increase endotoxin.
 

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How do you tell if there is undigested gelatin?
 

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How do you tell if there is undigested gelatin?
Discomfort, gas, bad digestion clued from bowel movement, low energy, bad sleep etc.
I can tolerate small amount of gelatin from bone broth and a little more i feel worse.
Another way is to remove that food for few days and watch how symptoms changes.
 

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f i remember correctly ,RP recommends 10-20 grams of gelatin with muscle meat to
balance the amino acids ratio. In my experience even 10 grams of gelatin has
significant amount of benefit.
Have you been able to convert this information into an amino acid profile? Having a target amino acid profile, would it be possible to find a mix of food that would meet this profile without having to use as much gelatin, or even foregoing it? I don't want to get it too complicated, but thought I'd ask out of curiosity.

Discomfort, gas, bad digestion clued from bowel movement, low energy, bad sleep etc.
I can tolerate small amount of gelatin from bone broth and a little more i feel worse.
Another way is to remove that food for few days and watch how symptoms changes.
Thanks. One has to be observant, and be sensitive to these things.
 

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Im interested to see gelatin would give me to much copper?

I eat that much gelatin plus i eat Liver a few times a week
is this an issue?

i tried using chronometer
 

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Initally when I started taking gelatin I did 2 tbsp a day for the first month, each month I added 1 more tbsp a day until I was up to 1/3 of my protein as gelatin.
 

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@yerrag
I did not look at a target ratio of amino acids. I tried to add gelatin in many different
ways. There was always some benefit but it caused digestive issues for me.
I gave up on gelatin for now.

Casein has a very good amino acid composition which does not cause
much rise in serotonin. I used to eat a lot of farmer's cheese for that.
Calcium in milk also helps with diverting tryptophan in niacin path
instead of serotonin.

RP also mentioned that health issues from excess muscle meat
diet is mainly due to high phosphorus compared to calcium.
I used to feel tired next day if i ate muscle meat without gelatin.
Now i eat muscle meat ( chicken, beef) and liver with some
calcium supplement in the form of calcium hydroxide added to
acidic juice. It works fine. It is better to avoid regular muscle meat
if possible.

@redlight
Maximum upper limit for copper intake is 10 mg.
You can limit your copper intake within this range.
Excess vitamin A from liver can be problematic too.
RP recommends 4-6 oz liver per week. that is about
16 to 24 mg of copper per week.
 

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RP mentioned that for an adult gelatin can be 50 percent of total protein intake.
This is not applicable to growing children. One of the reason RP recommends
adequate protein intake for good liver function
is to maintain a good level of albumin, which is well over 40.
It would be a good idea to check your blood albumin level.

It seems like when a person is growing they can/should consume more muscle meat. Do you think if a fully grown adult suddenly started a very aggressive strength/muscle building workout routine, they should consume more muscle meats? Would it be beneficial during an intense period of muscular/body growth?
 

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I did not look at a target ratio of amino acids. I tried to add gelatin in many different
ways. There was always some benefit but it caused digestive issues for me.
I gave up on gelatin for now.
Ray Peat also mentions pork rind. I looked it up and here's some interesting information: Snacks, pork skins, plain Nutrition Facts & Calories

100 grams of pork rinds has 62g of protein. Glycine, the highest component amino acid, weighs 12 grams. Proline and serine, 7.3 g and 2.6 g respectively. Tryptophan and methionine, only 118 mg and 480 mg. I don't think it would cost much to buy pork skin here in Manila, and make pork rinds using coconut oil to deep fry (I don't trust the oil used in commercially available pork rinds, which are easy to find). But maybe if I'm not taking glycine as a supplement but together with other amino acids in a food, my body would find it easier to digest and assimilate.
 

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If i remember correctly ,RP recommends 10-20 grams of gelatin with muscle meat to
balance the amino acids ratio. In my experience even 10 grams of gelatin has
significant amount of benefit. Some people do have digestive problem with gelatin.
When you add gelatin to your diet pay attention to digestion. Undigested gelatin
feed bacteria and increase endotoxin.

Do you know how many ounces of meat is considered to be a typical serving to go along with the 10-20 grams he referenced?
 

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RP mentioned that for an adult gelatin can be 50 percent of total protein intake.
This is not applicable to growing children. One of the reason RP recommends
adequate protein intake for good liver function
is to maintain a good level of albumin, which is well over 40.
It would be a good idea to check your blood albumin level.

@dbh25
If i remember correctly ,RP recommends 10-20 grams of gelatin with muscle meat to
balance the amino acids ratio. In my experience even 10 grams of gelatin has
significant amount of benefit. Some people do have digestive problem with gelatin.
When you add gelatin to your diet pay attention to digestion. Undigested gelatin
feed bacteria and increase endotoxin.
Super helpful reminder here.
 

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@yerrag
I did not look at a target ratio of amino acids. I tried to add gelatin in many different
ways. There was always some benefit but it caused digestive issues for me.
I gave up on gelatin for now.

Casein has a very good amino acid composition which does not cause
much rise in serotonin. I used to eat a lot of farmer's cheese for that.
Calcium in milk also helps with diverting tryptophan in niacin path
instead of serotonin.

RP also mentioned that health issues from excess muscle meat
diet is mainly due to high phosphorus compared to calcium.
I used to feel tired next day if i ate muscle meat without gelatin.
Now i eat muscle meat ( chicken, beef) and liver with some
calcium supplement in the form of calcium hydroxide added to
acidic juice. It works fine. It is better to avoid regular muscle meat
if possible.

@redlight
Maximum upper limit for copper intake is 10 mg.
You can limit your copper intake within this range.
Excess vitamin A from liver can be problematic too.
RP recommends 4-6 oz liver per week. that is about
16 to 24 mg of copper per week.
Okay, so I remember you said you couldn't tolerate much broth, but after I made the chicken feet stock, I made a stew using some of stock. Am trying eating stew with just two pieces of meat in a serving. I don't think I'm sensitive enough to know if it's working symptom wise. Don't seem to be more tired or foggy. But will be on the alert now.

Yesterday, ate custard made with condensed milk throughout the day, with the stew at lunch. Felt more alert than usual. And this kept up through the evening. I did feel tired before breakfast, today, so had more of the flan custard thing. Worked well to clear my mind and end that downward spin feeling.
 

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When you add gelatin to your diet pay attention to digestion. Undigested gelatin
feed bacteria and increase endotoxin
...
There was always some benefit but it caused digestive issues for me.
I gave up on gelatin for now.
I have cooked gelatinous food with papaya as a soup, and digestion is better.
Gelatine packets mention that you cannot make a dessert with either papaya, pineapple or kiwi...
I concluded that those fruits, high in enzymes, "digested" the gelatine.
So, disobey the packet! ;)
Feedback welcome!
 
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