Viagra vs Cialis for muscle growth, pumps & testosterone

Hans

Member
Forum Supporter
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
5,858

Have any of you used it for pumps in the gym before? What's been your experience?
 

Sexypizza

Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2017
Messages
181
You really shouldn't be on this forum, you don't even follow ray peat, you just keep marketing scams and try to make money off of people here. I don't know why the mods keep you here.
 

Snarf

Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2021
Messages
71

Have any of you used it for pumps in the gym before? What's been your experience?

I use 5mg per day as I heard it helps with pumps. To be honest I dont notice much difference to pumps as to when I wasnt using. I now without fail, wake up every morning with a rager though.
 

NommyWommy

Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2016
Messages
170
I use 5mg per day as I heard it helps with pumps. To be honest I dont notice much difference to pumps as to when I wasnt using. I now without fail, wake up every morning with a rager though.
Only when using Cialis or without as well?
 

76er

Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2021
Messages
198
You really shouldn't be on this forum, you don't even follow ray peat, you just keep marketing scams and try to make money off of people here. I don't know why the mods keep you here.
Hans is one of the best assets on these forums and has been contributing rich content for many years here. The moderators know him well.

These aren't scams. The man needs to pay the bills and hopefully make some profit while he continues to help people and have the time to continue to publish well researched and interesting articles (and 100% free – by the way).

Keep up the great work, Hans!
 

Snarf

Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2021
Messages
71
Only when using Cialis or without as well?
Not always without using. I started using 10mg a day and would wake up several times during the night, and in the morning at full mast. Dropped it down to 5mg and its calmed down a bit.
 

DennisX

Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2016
Messages
247

Have any of you used it for pumps in the gym before? What's been your experience?
Viagra increases estrogen and cialis doesn’t ? What is your reference for that claim?
 

ubiety

Member
Joined
May 19, 2017
Messages
115
Hans is one of the best assets on these forums and has been contributing rich content for many years here. The moderators know him well.

These aren't scams. The man needs to pay the bills and hopefully make some profit while he continues to help people and have the time to continue to publish well researched and interesting articles (and 100% free – by the way).

Keep up the great work, Hans!
Yes!
 

Momma

Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2022
Messages
694
Location
USA
You really shouldn't be on this forum, you don't even follow ray peat, you just keep marketing scams and try to make money off of people here. I don't know why the mods keep you here.
Unfortunately, I agree with this. Lots of pharmaceutical and supplement pushing. Lots of sex stuff to get attention of his target audience.
 
OP
Hans

Hans

Member
Forum Supporter
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
5,858
Viagra increases estrogen and cialis doesn’t ? What is your reference for that claim?
My references are next to the statements. Graphs too.
 
OP
Hans

Hans

Member
Forum Supporter
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
5,858
Hans is one of the best assets on these forums and has been contributing rich content for many years here. The moderators know him well.

These aren't scams. The man needs to pay the bills and hopefully make some profit while he continues to help people and have the time to continue to publish well researched and interesting articles (and 100% free – by the way).

Keep up the great work, Hans!
Appreciate that.:hattip
 
OP
Hans

Hans

Member
Forum Supporter
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
5,858
Unfortunately, I agree with this. Lots of pharmaceutical and supplement pushing. Lots of sex stuff to get attention of his target audience.
Based on your comment it's pretty clear that you've never actually read my content or have any idea of what I help men with.
I don't push anything on anyone. I merely educate/give guidance and advice on how to increase testosterone and live a more fulfilled, high-energy life, and have been doing so for the past decade.

In my articles, I only recommend a good supplemental brand that can help (most of which are brands that I'm not even affiliated with because I have standards that I stick to without a bias, and don't make my living from affiliations). But diet and lifestyle always come first.
You can ask any one of my clients (some of which know me from this forum), the first thing I help them with is creating a diet so that they don't have to be dependent on supps or drugs. Supplements can always help here and there and there is nothing wrong with using them correctly and in moderation as needed.

The reason I often write or talk about sex is because it's an essential part of any healthy relationship (as well as having high T); having a healthy sexual function is a must-have for any man, and optimizing libido and sexual function is a big part of what I help men with. If no one talks about it or does experiments, how will people ever get the right kind of advice? If you don't like my content (which is in anyways focused on men), then you can just ignore it.
 

Snarf

Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2021
Messages
71
Unfortunately, I agree with this. Lots of pharmaceutical and supplement pushing. Lots of sex stuff to get attention of his target audience.
I dont think Ive ever seen Hans push pharmaceuticals or supplements on anyone.

His target audience are men, and most normal men want high testosterone and libido, so he tends to talk about, investigate and experiment with that in mind. He is a great asset to the forum.
 
OP
Hans

Hans

Member
Forum Supporter
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
5,858
I dont think Ive ever seen Hans push pharmaceuticals or supplements on anyone.

His target audience are men, and most normal men want high testosterone and libido, so he tends to talk about, investigate and experiment with that in mind. He is a great asset to the forum.
:hattip
 

Momma

Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2022
Messages
694
Location
USA
Based on your comment it's pretty clear that you've never actually read my content or have any idea of what I help men with.
I don't push anything on anyone. I merely educate/give guidance and advice on how to increase testosterone and live a more fulfilled, high-energy life, and have been doing so for the past decade.

In my articles, I only recommend a good supplemental brand that can help (most of which are brands that I'm not even affiliated with because I have standards that I stick to without a bias, and don't make my living from affiliations). But diet and lifestyle always come first.
You can ask any one of my clients (some of which know me from this forum), the first thing I help them with is creating a diet so that they don't have to be dependent on supps or drugs. Supplements can always help here and there and there is nothing wrong with using them correctly and in moderation as needed.

The reason I often write or talk about sex is because it's an essential part of any healthy relationship (as well as having high T); having a healthy sexual function is a must-have for any man, and optimizing libido and sexual function is a big part of what I help men with. If no one talks about it or does experiments, how will people ever get the right kind of advice? If you don't like my content (which is in anyways focused on men), then you can just ignore it.
I appreciate your response Hans. I have read your content. And I follow your wife’s stuff as well.
I’m a Peat purest. I don’t personally agree with your approach to health or wellness.
There is definitely a lot you offer. Doesn’t align by being here generally speaking. My objective assessment of course. Thx again for taking the time to address.
 

Momma

Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2022
Messages
694
Location
USA
I dont think Ive ever seen Hans push pharmaceuticals or supplements on anyone.

His target audience are men, and most normal men want high testosterone and libido, so he tends to talk about, investigate and experiment with that in mind. He is a great asset to the forum.
Thx for your response.
 

Nokoni

Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2017
Messages
699

Have any of you used it for pumps in the gym before? What's been your experience?
There is also published research indicating that Cialis is anabolic for bone, which I didn't see reflected in your otherwise very informative review. (The review article Tadalafil and Steroid Hormones Interactions in Adipose, Bone and Prostate Tissues: Focus on Translational Perspectives covers some of it.)

I've been taking 10 mg tadalafil daily for just less than two weeks with excellent results. The first thing I noticed is that I felt better overall. Better mood, less frustration and irritability, and more energy. Wasn't expecting that. Probably related to aromatase inhibition. Whatever the cause, that alone is worth the price of admission. And my blood pressure dropped significantly. I was taking two blood pressure medications so I am in the process of recalibrating dosages, and probably eliminating at least one of them, maybe both. We'll see. So improvement in LUTS – the reason I began the experiment. Improvement in blood pressure. Improvement in mood. And then one real shocker. It completely rejuvenated my bowel function, which had become a real problem for the past couple of years. Never saw that coming, and haven't seen any indication of such an effect in the research. Simply outstanding results.

My biggest unanswered question is does tadalafil have similarly beneficial effects in women? My guess is that it probably does but obviously significant caution is warranted. I haven't seen any research but I haven't begun really searching yet either.
 

Nfinkelstein

Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2020
Messages
318

Have any of you used it for pumps in the gym before? What's been your experience?
Please tell me you've actually tried these drugs Hans.
 
OP
Hans

Hans

Member
Forum Supporter
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Messages
5,858
Please tell me you've actually tried these drugs Hans.
No. Should I have to in order to write an article about the research on it?
The research is based on humans and their experience with it. So if it's mine or theirs, it doesn't matter. Even if I did use them, what would it matter if no one's experience is exactly the same? Hence, the experience compiled by studies are better than mine alone.

I've worked with many clients who've used one or both, so it's my job to know about these substances in order to help them effectively.
 
Last edited:
EMF Mitigation - Flush Niacin - Big 5 Minerals

Similar threads

Back
Top Bottom