Ukraine Crisis

[Perry Staltic]

Ukraine will be fine if they grant the Donbass autonomy and keep the neo-nazis from starting trouble. Putin doesn't want the dysfunctional mess that Ukraine is.

 

[xpat]

I knew there is going to be trouble when I read this. Can not undermine dollar’s supremacy.

Russian rainy day fund to get out of all U.S. dollar assets

Russia on Thursday said it would ditch all U.S. dollar assets in its National Wealth Fund (NWF) and increase holdings in euros, Chinese yuan and gold in what analysts said was a political move ahead of a presidential Russia-U.S. summit later this month.

www.reuters.com

 

[Veritas IV]

Time for some Sundance updates:

The Pantomime Continues – Kamala Harris Meets With Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Munich and Delivers Cringeworthy Remarks – Zelenskyy Proclaims Someone is Lying​

February 19, 2022 | sundance | 357 Comments
The fiasco of U.S manipulation in Ukraine continues as the Biden administration dispatch Kamala Harris to play the role of a grown-up at the Munich conference. She failed.
You will see, in the first video below, how positively cringeworthy the effort was from Harris as she tries to present herself as a serious person within a high stakes geopolitical pantomime.

The baseline remains the same, and at the end of the meeting between Harris and Zelenskyy, the Ukrainian president delivered remarks to call the bluff of Joe Biden (video also below). The words “someone is lying” lead off his speech.

President Zelenskyy emphasized the geopolitical farce when he said to the world if the United States, and as an extension NATO, is so certain that Russia is about to invade and destroy Ukraine sovereignty, then why are they waiting to trigger deterrent sanctions?

Underneath the true answer to that question is the crux of the issue. All of these events within Ukraine are being manipulated by the U.S. State Department and the U.S. intelligence apparatus, just as the events of 2014 in Ukraine were done before. First, watch the meeting between Harris and Zelenskyy:


View: https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs


President Zelenskyy has to pretend the words from Harris are accurate, while simultaneously knowing she is a totally clueless pawn, a tool of the people behind Biden who sent her specifically in an effort to improve the way she is viewed by U.S. voters. The team behind Biden are trying to rebrand Kamala Harris as a serious person, but her stupidity is so evident we cannot hear a word she is saying.
So, Zelenskyy knows the messenger from the U.S. is part of an act for domestic consumption, and yet the ramifications of the background conflict created by the United States in his nation are serious. Additionally, Zelenskyy knows the U.S. wants him removed, which is the only way the State Department (and DC politicians’ writ large) can achieve a stronger influence operation over internal politics within Ukraine.

It really sucks to be Zelenskyy.

The events unfolding inside Ukraine are being manipulated by the United States intelligence community and U.S. State Department. The presumed conflict surrounding the always near Russian invasion is a total pretense.

Eastern Ukrainians consider themselves Russian, they always have. Eastern Ukraine likes Russia, relates to Russia and is not predisposed to like the western influences in the rest of the country. Eastern Ukraine is to Russia what Puerto Rico is to the United States.

♦CONSIDER – Within Puerto Rico there are people who want to be authentic to their own territorial sovereignty, they want to get away from the United States. At the same time, there are people in Puerto Rico who want and need the relationship with the United States to remain connected. The business interests in Puerto Rico, and specifically the multinational investment groups in Puerto Rico, want the benefits of the U.S. treasury to remain in place.

About half of Puerto Rico wants to be independent, and about half of Puerto Rico wants to remain connected to the U.S.

In Ukraine, about half of the country wants to be independent (separatists), and they are what we would call “nationalists.” They have no issue with Russia. However, about half the country also wants to be connected to the ‘west’ in the sense and values of NATO and European perspectives. They are a blend of globalists, moderate leftists and independent thinkers.

As in Puerto Rico, the multinational corporations and business interests in Ukraine come down on the side of keeping Ukraine connected to western Europe. The U.S. State Dept is aligned with those multinational goals and globalist objectives.

♦ Into this mix of convoluted interests, a battle for influence is taking place. Russia is portrayed as the enemy, because an honest conversation about the dynamics is never permitted by the globalist team members. The last thing NATO wants is a public discussion about how their geopolitical aspirations and intents are created around the western European support for globalism and the World Economic Forum.

The eastern Ukrainian separatists (looked favorable by Russia) are having small military battles with the western Ukrainian military (supported by Joe Biden, NATO). It is in Biden and NATO’s interests to overemphasize the role of Russia and position the western media view as if Putin is about to invade. This helps cloud the ongoing underlying internal battle and the influence operations carried out by the intelligence apparatus, the State Dept and the multinational benefactors.

Then there’s Zelenskyy….

♦ On one hand, Zelenskyy doesn’t want to be to Vladimir Putin what Kim Jong-un (N Korea) is to Chairman Xi Jinping (China). However, on the other hand, Zelenskyy doesn’t want his country Ukraine to be a playground for geopolitical influence operations by the U.S., NATO, Western Europe and multinationals like the World Bank and World Economic Forum.

Right now, for his country, it sucks to be stuck in this position. That aspect is made worse, because the Biden administration wants to remove Zelenskyy so they can have a person in charge of Ukraine that is more easily manipulated for their interests. The Biden administration is using the threat of a Russian invasion to weaken Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy knows Russia is not invading; he also knows there is a large faction of people in the eastern portion of his country who like Russia. The people in the pro-Russia Eastern Ukraine region, those who do not like Russia and are in the minority, are physically moving back toward the Western side just in case.

The U.S. intelligence apparatus and propaganda machine (State Dept) is currently carrying out operations in Eastern Ukraine working both sides of the separatist movement as they seek to portray Russia as the influence agent.

[Consider if a large portion of Texas wanted to finally get rid of the leftist lunacy and secede from the United States. The Biden administration then blames Mexico and shouts that Mexico is about to invade Texas as cover for their support of that portion of the Texas Democrats who want to remain in the U.S.]

After the unavoidable pretense of a meeting with clueless pawn Kamala Harris, President Zelenskyy spoke to the Munich conference and called the bluff of NATO and specifically Joe Biden. However, he has to do it carefully… yet, he is frustrated… “Someone is lying!” WATCH:


View: https://youtu.be/m3l1iBCS9TQ

Kamala Harris Speaks Platitudes and Gibberish During Media Remarks Ending the Munich Conference About Ukraine​

February 20, 2022 | Sundance | 247 Comments

Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg generally compete for best use of linguistic nothingness, today was no exception. At the conclusion of the Munich conference to discuss the manufactured situation in Ukraine, Harris talks to the media [Video HERE and Transcript HERE]. If you notice an unusual void of media sharing the brief presser, there’s a reason for that.

Harris again assembled her words into remarks that are not only absolute gibberish, but they also exemplify her lack of any qualification to be in office. She really is an empty vessel filled with meaningless platitudes; stunningly so.

TRANSCRIPT – “We are looking at a moment that is a very decisive moment on one of the bases for the Munich Security Conference and certainly one of the founding reasons for NATO, which is European security and the connection and alliance between Europe and the United States. It was important in that, as you all know, this is a moment that is very dynamic. If not every hour, certainly every day, there seem to be new moments of interest and also of intelligence.” ~ Kamala Harris


View: https://youtu.be/ixeGw1CHrMI

[Video HERE and Transcript HERE]​

The team behind Biden are trying to rebrand Kamala Harris as a serious person, but her stupidity is so evident we cannot hear a word she is saying.

Zelenskyy knows the messenger from the U.S. is part of an act for domestic consumption, and yet the ramifications of the background conflict created by the United States in his nation are serious. Additionally, Zelenskyy knows the U.S. wants him removed, which is the only way the State Department (and DC politicians’ writ large) can achieve a stronger influence operation over internal politics within Ukraine. It really sucks to be Zelenskyy.

Eastern Ukrainians consider themselves Russian, they always have. Eastern Ukraine likes Russia, relates to Russia and is not predisposed to like the western influences in the rest of the country. Eastern Ukraine is to Russia what Puerto Rico is to the United States.

♦CONSIDER – Within Puerto Rico there are people who want to be authentic to their own territorial sovereignty, they want to get away from the United States. At the same time, there are people in Puerto Rico who want and need the relationship with the United States to remain connected. The business interests in Puerto Rico, and specifically the multinational investment groups in Puerto Rico, want the benefits of the U.S. treasury to remain in place.

About half of Puerto Rico wants to be independent, and about half of Puerto Rico wants to remain connected to the U.S.

In Ukraine, about half of the country wants to be independent (separatists), and they are what we would call “nationalists.” They have no issue with Russia. However, about half the country also wants to be connected to the ‘west’ in the sense and values of NATO and European perspectives. They are a blend of globalists, moderate leftists and independent thinkers.

As in Puerto Rico, the multinational corporations and business interests in Ukraine come down on the side of keeping Ukraine connected to Western Europe. The U.S. State Dept is aligned with those multinational goals and globalist objectives.

♦ Into this mix of convoluted interests, a battle for influence is taking place. Russia is portrayed as the enemy, because an honest conversation about the dynamics is never permitted by the globalist team members. The last thing NATO wants is a public discussion about how their geopolitical aspirations and intents are created around the Western European support for globalism and the World Economic Forum.

The eastern Ukrainian separatists (looked favorable by Russia) are having small military battles with the western Ukrainian military (supported by Joe Biden, NATO). It is in Biden and NATO’s interests to overemphasize the role of Russia and position the western media view as if Putin is about to invade. This helps cloud the ongoing underlying internal battle and the influence operations carried out by the intelligence apparatus, the State Dept and the multinational benefactors.

Then there’s Zelenskyy….

♦ On one hand, Zelenskyy doesn’t want to be to Vladimir Putin what Kim Jong-un (N Korea) is to Chairman Xi Jinping (China). However, on the other hand, Zelenskyy doesn’t want his country, Ukraine, to be a playground for geopolitical influence operations by the U.S., NATO, Western Europe and multinationals like the World Bank and World Economic Forum.

Right now, for his country, it sucks to be stuck in this position. That aspect is made worse, because the Biden administration wants to remove Zelenskyy so they can have a person in charge of Ukraine that is more easily manipulated for their interests. The Biden administration is using the threat of a Russian invasion to weaken Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy knows Russia is not invading; he also knows there is a large faction of people in the eastern portion of his country who like Russia. The people in the pro-Russia Eastern Ukraine region, those who do not like Russia and are in the minority, are physically moving back toward the Western side just in case.

The U.S. intelligence apparatus and propaganda machine (State Dept) is currently carrying out operations in Eastern Ukraine working both sides of the separatist movement as they seek to portray Russia as the influence agent.

All just a big farce. And while everyone just plays along and pretends, Ukraine gets stuck in the middle, Zelenskyy walks the tightrope, the average American gets shafted again. And if Sundance is correct, the puppet masters behind Biden want Zelenskyy out of there as quickly as possible because he isn't pretending well enough for their taste.

My deep down opinion is that we should never have been involved in nefarious ways. Our involvement in Ukraine is pure corruption, the wrong people pilfering tons of money from there, along with the rest of eastern europe. If we were to support Ukraine then it should have remained low key, allow Ukraine to "play the middle" similar to Finland etc etc.

Ukrainian territory has been occupied 8 years ago.
The war is going on on Ukrainian territory.
Ukraine is defending itself.

If i may ask your opinion on the articles i linked. As a Ukrainian you may have insight and access to information that isn't easy for us to acquire. In the US we have mostly Pravda-like propaganda sources unless we dig a little further.

 

[Peachy]

Ukraine will be fine if they grant the Donbass autonomy and keep the neo-nazis from starting trouble. Putin doesn't want the dysfunctional mess that Ukraine is.

This is it in a nutshell.

 

[Kozak]

This is a very naïve to think that since the western governments are bad and putin is PRETENDING to oppose the west, then putin must be good.




All that became null and void in 2014 but I can already tell there's no point to go into that with you.

Null and void in 2014. That is fresh! Why is that?

 

[Peachy]

Null and void in 2014. That is fresh! Why is that?

Good night and best wishes!?

 

[Kozak]

Azov battalion

This is a such a cheap fake, you just embarrassing yourself again. Few guys in this picture have AK100. Only moscowia has those. Obviously they are putin's "green men".

This is the level of CNN: (Canada Truckers have Nazi and Confederate flags). Obviously you are not an honest person and you are pushing this BS agenda.

 

[Kozak]

Ukrainians who invaded the Donbass and got their asses kicked. They should have stayed in their part of the country instead of seeking revenge against Russians in the Donbass.

Duuude. Donbas is part of Ukraine. Hove we could invade ourselves?

This is standard approach of moscow/socialist/communist minions. When they lose the argument they call you a nazi. Just look at Trudeau.

 

[TeslaFan]

I feel the best for Ukraine is to remain independent from both Russia and NATO and position itself as a bridge between the two. Otherwise I am afraid it would become a wall between the two, and end up as Cuba.

 

[Regina]

Time for some Sundance updates:

The Pantomime Continues – Kamala Harris Meets With Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Munich and Delivers Cringeworthy Remarks – Zelenskyy Proclaims Someone is Lying​

Kamala Harris Speaks Platitudes and Gibberish During Media Remarks Ending the Munich Conference About Ukraine​

All just a big farce. And while everyone just plays along and pretends, Ukraine gets stuck in the middle, Zelenskyy walks the tightrope, the average American gets shafted again. And if Sundance is correct, the puppet masters behind Biden want Zelenskyy out of there as quickly as possible because he isn't pretending well enough for their taste.

My deep down opinion is that we should never have been involved in nefarious ways. Our involvement in Ukraine is pure corruption, the wrong people pilfering tons of money from there, along with the rest of eastern europe. If we were to support Ukraine then it should have remained low key, allow Ukraine to "play the middle" similar to Finland etc etc.



If i may ask your opinion on the articles i linked. As a Ukrainian you may have insight and access to information that isn't easy for us to acquire. In the US we have mostly Pravda-like propaganda sources unless we dig a little further.

Thank you for posting this analysis.

 

[area51puy]

China seems to be supporting Russia in this , many countries in Europe get gas from Russia which could be cut off due to sanctions.

Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline, to settle in euros

Russia has agreed a 30-year contract to supply gas to China via a new pipeline and will settle the new gas sales in euros, bolstering an energy alliance with Beijing amid Moscow's strained ties with the West over Ukraine and other issues.

www.reuters.com

But the effects could be dampen due to China buying Russian oil. And Russia can get the goods it needs for Russia.

So Europe would be more dependent on oil from opec nations causing a massive jump in gas prices that could lead to massive price jumps in everything around the world.

So China produces wealth they make goods for most of entire world. Where America wealth is based on the petro dollar.

So I don’t if this would be economical possible, but could China just take over all companies like apple and thousand others and just become the property of the Chinese government. And if all the manufacturing was basically stolen, what would be the American response, what would happen to wallstreet and the world economy and is China dependent on natural resources to produce their goods they need if they have oil from Russia. And how would the countries around the world respond when many have become dependent on cheap Chinese goods.

Did the greed of wall street set us up to be in this position?

Are we no just headed into another Cold War but WW3.

 

[Kozak]

Time for some Sundance updates:

The Pantomime Continues – Kamala Harris Meets With Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Munich and Delivers Cringeworthy Remarks – Zelenskyy Proclaims Someone is Lying​

Kamala Harris Speaks Platitudes and Gibberish During Media Remarks Ending the Munich Conference About Ukraine​

All just a big farce. And while everyone just plays along and pretends, Ukraine gets stuck in the middle, Zelenskyy walks the tightrope, the average American gets shafted again. And if Sundance is correct, the puppet masters behind Biden want Zelenskyy out of there as quickly as possible because he isn't pretending well enough for their taste.

My deep down opinion is that we should never have been involved in nefarious ways. Our involvement in Ukraine is pure corruption, the wrong people pilfering tons of money from there, along with the rest of eastern europe. If we were to support Ukraine then it should have remained low key, allow Ukraine to "play the middle" similar to Finland etc etc.



If i may ask your opinion on the articles i linked. As a Ukrainian you may have insight and access to information that isn't easy for us to acquire. In the US we have mostly Pravda-like propaganda sources unless we dig a litt

Time for some Sundance updates:

The Pantomime Continues – Kamala Harris Meets With Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Munich and Delivers Cringeworthy Remarks – Zelenskyy Proclaims Someone is Lying​

Kamala Harris Speaks Platitudes and Gibberish During Media Remarks Ending the Munich Conference About Ukraine​

All just a big farce. And while everyone just plays along and pretends, Ukraine gets stuck in the middle, Zelenskyy walks the tightrope, the average American gets shafted again. And if Sundance is correct, the puppet masters behind Biden want Zelenskyy out of there as quickly as possible because he isn't pretending well enough for their taste.

My deep down opinion is that we should never have been involved in nefarious ways. Our involvement in Ukraine is pure corruption, the wrong people pilfering tons of money from there, along with the rest of eastern europe. If we were to support Ukraine then it should have remained low key, allow Ukraine to "play the middle" similar to Finland etc etc.



If i may ask your opinion on the articles i linked. As a Ukrainian you may have insight and access to information that isn't easy for us to acquire. In the US we have mostly Pravda-like propaganda sources unless we dig a little further.

First of all. I 100% agree with Zelenskyy on this occasion (I'm not his supporter).

However this article tries to use some facts to legitimize some big lies and twist things around to make incorrect conclusions.

Fist of all it is very naive to think that US uses psych ops to it's benefit, while moscow dose not. See when Zelenskyy was saying "someone is lying" he meant all are lying.

Biden is lying when he says he cares about Ukraine - because the war has been going for 8 years. The Crimea was occupied and the war started when he was VP.

Putin is lying when he says he cares about "russian speaking ukrainians" in the east of Ukraine. Because in 2014 we basically had no army and the self defense battalions like "Azov", "Dnipro", "Donbas" were made up almost exclusively from "russian speaking ukrainians" from east/occupied regions. Those who had to leave everything and flee from putin's army and their atrocities. Yes it is putin's army, just without insignia like "putin's geen men" occupied Crimea.

What ever is happening now was developed by both biden and putin together. They are in this together 100%.

Ukraine want for moscowia and the US to leave us allow. That is the reason we agreed to give up the third nuclear arsenal in the world. Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
That was the price to regain our independence and in exchange we've got this Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia

Yet moscow threatened us with military actions many time. When we were dividing Black Sea Fleet. which was supposed to be Ukrainian, since it was based in Ukraine. Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia
We agreed to divide it to ease the tensions. (moscow used weapons and this is early 1990s). Next we had Tuzla conflict (moscow threatened to use artillery)
2003 Tuzla Island conflict - Wikipedia This is in 2003 with very pro-moscow president in Ukraine.

Only once moscow was happy, when completely pro-moscow Yanukovych was destroying our economy, our army, and completely disregarding our Constitution. This is the reason we kicked him out in 2014!!!
Mind you before starting doing all this he went to the US and after that visit (amongst other things) hanter biden got on the board of Burisma. Getting paid millions for doing nothing.
What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma

Just want to add few important things. Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east of Ukraine are as patriotic as the Ukrainian speaking. The reason they are Russian-speaking, because there were very few Ukrainian (sometimes none) schools in Eastern and Central Ukraine during USSR. They were forced to speak Russian!

Another important point the so called separatists control the territory of half the Belgium, yet has more tanks and artillery then Germany and manages to support all this without any real economy. It's a miracle! Unless they get it all from somewhere???


I tried to keep it as short as possible. If I missed anything, I'm happy to answer any of your questions.

 

[Kozak]

I feel the best for Ukraine is to remain independent from both Russia and NATO and position itself as a bridge between the two. Otherwise I am afraid it would become a wall between the two, and end up as Cuba.

That is exactly what we want. The reason we wanted to join NATO - to avoid a war with moscow. Which became very realistic after moscow invaded Georgia Russo-Georgian War - Wikipedia
Now that the war has been going already for 8 years, there is no reason for us to join NATO

 

[Kozak]

China seems to be supporting Russia in this , many countries in Europe get gas from Russia which could be cut off due to sanctions.

Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline, to settle in euros

Russia has agreed a 30-year contract to supply gas to China via a new pipeline and will settle the new gas sales in euros, bolstering an energy alliance with Beijing amid Moscow's strained ties with the West over Ukraine and other issues.

www.reuters.com

But the effects could be dampen due to China buying Russian oil. And Russia can get the goods it needs for Russia.

So Europe would be more dependent on oil from opec nations causing a massive jump in gas prices that could lead to massive price jumps in everything around the world.

So China produces wealth they make goods for most of entire world. Where America wealth is based on the petro dollar.

So I don’t if this would be economical possible, but could China just take over all companies like apple and thousand others and just become the property of the Chinese government. And if all the manufacturing was basically stolen, what would be the American response, what would happen to wallstreet and the world economy and is China dependent on natural resources to produce their goods they need if they have oil from Russia. And how would the countries around the world respond when many have become dependent on cheap Chinese goods.

Did the greed of wall street set us up to be in this position?

Are we no just headed into another Cold War but WW3.

You are right, but will not be just jump in prices oil and gas. If you consider the sizes of Ukrainian and moscow armies and geopolitical importance of this region - it's going to be a full scale collapse. Ukraine and moscovia are in the top ten of food exporters.
China always tries to make someone do the dirty job for them.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

@Kozak

Thanks for adding your perspective. I don’t think too many on this Forum are Ukrainian or Russian or speak any of the languages so it’s hard to judge the situation from outside anyway, despite the massive coverage in the west.

I‘d like to ask you some questions to clarify your stance:

Do you feel in a way fooled by NATO for not having Ukraine joined? I understand you personally would no longer for Ukraine to join?

What about the EU? Would you like Ukraine to become member of it?

And a few remarks as a German and European:
I might not speak Russian/Ukrainian but I know people of both nationalities.

Mostly, those two people consider themselves brethren and would deeply regret further conflict between themselves.

But there are also some factions within both nations that have drifted to extreme nationalism and ethnic adversity.

The Azov Brigades exist. How active they are today and how important might be propaganda, but there are anti-Russian elements and point of views in Ukraine, no doubt here.

Let’s not forget that Ukraine is a divided country in many ways. There are more that lean westwards or towards self-determined souveteignity then strong pro-Russians but there are considerable numbers of people that feel more kin to Russia than to an ever west leaning Ukraine. Without ever thinking about becoming separatists and fighting.

Maidan? How can anybody really claim that that was the majority of people supporting that event? Were the people that entered Capitol in Washington the majority? Were the truckers in Ottawa the majority?
Ask western press and you get one yes and two nos while reality is endlessly complex.

Nord Stream 2, speaking as a German:

Russia has delivered gas and other resources dependably even during Cold War. Germany needs loads of gas. Russia needs trade. It’s a win win situation that prevented and prevents conflict.

It’s in no was directed against Ukraine. Germany has supported Ukraine with many billions over the years, including by paying for Russian gas transited through Ukraine.

Germany has also paid and redirected Russian gas to Ukraine but that’s absolutely sound and not to be discussed here.


One thing is clear as day: invasion would mean catastrophe for Russia. For Ukraine too and everyone is affected.

In the end, I can’t help but feel Putin playing along the Great reset agenda.

Inflation and High Energy costs is exactly what reseters want. So they can disenfranchise millions of middle class people and put the Blame on things allegedly beyond their responsibility

 

[Perry Staltic]

Another important point the so called separatists control the territory of half the Belgium, yet has more tanks and artillery then Germany and manages to support all this without any real economy. It's a miracle! Unless they get it all from somewhere???

lol they got it from the Ukrainian army they routed in Debaltsevo and other cauldrons. They captured enough military hardware to equip an army. That's how I got introduced to twitter, by watching GoPro videos of their battles. I think one of the first videos I watched was of Russian Ukrainians raiding a WWII tank museum to get a T-54 tank and other obsolete equipment. I marveled that they thought they could defeat the Ukrainian army with such crude stuff, but boy was I wrong.

 

[Perry Staltic]

The Azov Brigades exist. How active they are today and how important might be propaganda, but there are anti-Russian elements and point of views in Ukraine, no doubt here.

They started as a paramilitary, later became attached to the government in some way and now have special forces status.

 

[Perry Staltic]

Let’s not forget that Ukraine is a divided country in many ways. There are more that lean westwards or towards self-determined souveteignity then strong pro-Russians but there are considerable numbers of people that feel more kin to Russia than to an ever west leaning Ukraine. Without ever thinking about becoming separatists and fighting.

A lot of Russians lived in Ukraine during the USSR. They married local, settled and they and their offspring still live there.

 

[Perry Staltic]

Another important point the so called separatists control the territory of half the Belgium, yet has more tanks and artillery then Germany and manages to support all this without any real economy. It's a miracle! Unless they get it all from somewhere???

45 minutes of captured UAF military hardware. The UAF was mainly a bunch of conscripts who didn't want to fight, and were either killed or fled and abandoned all this equipment.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VETOLF39MuU


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV7wdQdnPCM


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph583Q-2Mfo

 

[Perry Staltic]

What this does is allows Russia to send weapons and support to Donbas just like the west has been doing to Ukraine for years. No reason for Russia to invade

Putin Recognizes Independence of Pro-Russia Separatists in Ukraine - The Moscow Times

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday recognized the independence of two separatist regions in eastern Ukraine in an emotional address on state-run television, despite warnings from the West this could trigger sweeping sanctions.

www.themoscowtimes.com