Ukraine Crisis

[Perry Staltic]

Ooof! Ukraine criminalized communism in an effort to de-communize Ukraine.

Putin says Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created by Stalin in the 1920s. "We're ready to show you what real decommunization is."

View: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495834295373598722

 

[Veritas IV]

First of all. I 100% agree with Zelenskyy on this occasion (I'm not his supporter).

However this article tries to use some facts to legitimize some big lies and twist things around to make incorrect conclusions.

Fist of all it is very naive to think that US uses psych ops to it's benefit, while moscow dose not. See when Zelenskyy was saying "someone is lying" he meant all are lying.

Biden is lying when he says he cares about Ukraine - because the war has been going for 8 years. The Crimea was occupied and the war started when he was VP.

Putin is lying when he says he cares about "russian speaking ukrainians" in the east of Ukraine. Because in 2014 we basically had no army and the self defense battalions like "Azov", "Dnipro", "Donbas" were made up almost exclusively from "russian speaking ukrainians" from east/occupied regions. Those who had to leave everything and flee from putin's army and their atrocities. Yes it is putin's army, just without insignia like "putin's geen men" occupied Crimea.

What ever is happening now was developed by both biden and putin together. They are in this together 100%.

Ukraine want for moscowia and the US to leave us allow. That is the reason we agreed to give up the third nuclear arsenal in the world. Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
That was the price to regain our independence and in exchange we've got this Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia

Yet moscow threatened us with military actions many time. When we were dividing Black Sea Fleet. which was supposed to be Ukrainian, since it was based in Ukraine. Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia
We agreed to divide it to ease the tensions. (moscow used weapons and this is early 1990s). Next we had Tuzla conflict (moscow threatened to use artillery)
2003 Tuzla Island conflict - Wikipedia This is in 2003 with very pro-moscow president in Ukraine.

Only once moscow was happy, when completely pro-moscow Yanukovych was destroying our economy, our army, and completely disregarding our Constitution. This is the reason we kicked him out in 2014!!!
Mind you before starting doing all this he went to the US and after that visit (amongst other things) hanter biden got on the board of Burisma. Getting paid millions for doing nothing.
What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma

Just want to add few important things. Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east of Ukraine are as patriotic as the Ukrainian speaking. The reason they are Russian-speaking, because there were very few Ukrainian (sometimes none) schools in Eastern and Central Ukraine during USSR. They were forced to speak Russian!

Another important point the so called separatists control the territory of half the Belgium, yet has more tanks and artillery then Germany and manages to support all this without any real economy. It's a miracle! Unless they get it all from somewhere???


I tried to keep it as short as possible. If I missed anything, I'm happy to answer any of your questions.

Though the situation changed a little bit today, thank you for this insight. I was tempted to ask you if i could post your viewpoint elsewhere, but i've decided it was too personal and don't want outsiders tracking back to this forum.

To all who may have glossed over Kozak's info, or outright dismissed it, i suggest reading it again. We can all pretend to know what's going on, but we are supposed to hear all sides because we've been bombarded with narratives, propaganda and lies. Kozak here has presented us with the opinion on the Ukrainian street, so read and process the info accordingly so we can balance our knowledge.

We the people have few friends except ourselves, there are precious few dear leaders we can trust. The current crop of world leaders are only interested in the following: Money, Power/Influence, Land. They can shove all of it.

 

[Demyze]

Duuude. Donbas is part of Ukraine. Hove we could invade ourselves?

This is standard approach of moscow/socialist/communist minions. When they lose the argument they call you a nazi. Just look at Trudeau.

Who is this?

 

[Regina]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2CamZscWho

 

[Perry Staltic]

If Ukraine tries anything (which be be extraordinarily foolish) this would likely be Russia's next move


View: https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495788769924067340

 

[Perry Staltic]

View: https://twitter.com/declassifiedUK/status/1495725360952094720

 

[LeeLemonoil]

We the people have few friends except ourselves, there are precious few dear leaders we can trust.

Yes.
And whatever the causes and motives for the action in Ukraine, it probably has increased hate among some extremists on both sides of gives them pretext to act on existing hate and foster division.

 

[Lord Cola]

First of all. I 100% agree with Zelenskyy on this occasion (I'm not his supporter).

However this article tries to use some facts to legitimize some big lies and twist things around to make incorrect conclusions.

Fist of all it is very naive to think that US uses psych ops to it's benefit, while moscow dose not. See when Zelenskyy was saying "someone is lying" he meant all are lying.

Biden is lying when he says he cares about Ukraine - because the war has been going for 8 years. The Crimea was occupied and the war started when he was VP.

Putin is lying when he says he cares about "russian speaking ukrainians" in the east of Ukraine. Because in 2014 we basically had no army and the self defense battalions like "Azov", "Dnipro", "Donbas" were made up almost exclusively from "russian speaking ukrainians" from east/occupied regions. Those who had to leave everything and flee from putin's army and their atrocities. Yes it is putin's army, just without insignia like "putin's geen men" occupied Crimea.

What ever is happening now was developed by both biden and putin together. They are in this together 100%.

Ukraine want for moscowia and the US to leave us allow. That is the reason we agreed to give up the third nuclear arsenal in the world. Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
That was the price to regain our independence and in exchange we've got this Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia

Yet moscow threatened us with military actions many time. When we were dividing Black Sea Fleet. which was supposed to be Ukrainian, since it was based in Ukraine. Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia
We agreed to divide it to ease the tensions. (moscow used weapons and this is early 1990s). Next we had Tuzla conflict (moscow threatened to use artillery)
2003 Tuzla Island conflict - Wikipedia This is in 2003 with very pro-moscow president in Ukraine.

Only once moscow was happy, when completely pro-moscow Yanukovych was destroying our economy, our army, and completely disregarding our Constitution. This is the reason we kicked him out in 2014!!!
Mind you before starting doing all this he went to the US and after that visit (amongst other things) hanter biden got on the board of Burisma. Getting paid millions for doing nothing.
What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma

Just want to add few important things. Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east of Ukraine are as patriotic as the Ukrainian speaking. The reason they are Russian-speaking, because there were very few Ukrainian (sometimes none) schools in Eastern and Central Ukraine during USSR. They were forced to speak Russian!

Another important point the so called separatists control the territory of half the Belgium, yet has more tanks and artillery then Germany and manages to support all this without any real economy. It's a miracle! Unless they get it all from somewhere???


I tried to keep it as short as possible. If I missed anything, I'm happy to answer any of your questions.

What are some news websites (in Ukrainian or any other language) you would suggest to learn more about what is happening in Ukraine? There seems to be a lot of propaganda and ignorance involved in the Western coverage of Ukraine, "independent" or not.

 

[Perry Staltic]

View: https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1496040855215521793

 

[Perry Staltic]

View: https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496025943600738306

 

[GreekDemiGod]

I know nothing about geo-politics, but just watching a few minutes from Putin’s speech, you can clearly tell he is definitely a psychopath.

 

[Perry Staltic]

Look at the tanks. These are just over the northern border of Ukraine-occupied Lugansk in the map above


View: https://twitter.com/L_Team10/status/1495853814968164353

 

[Mauritio]

Either that. So scenario 2.

Or scenario 1.
If 1, this was a rather sensible move by Putin. All factions have sabotaged Minsk accords from the get go. Now he has taken the minimum of what Minsk would have provided: autonomous donbass and a long-term frozen conflict, instability in Ukraine which prevents nato membership.

The west could even save face by reacting with minimal additional sanctions so not to compromise energy supplies.

I really hope so. In any case we will soon learn for certain if Putin is part of the globalist elites of the west or truly an adversary

I hope so too.

We will see ,yes. Although I tend towards him beeeing part of the crew.

 

[Daniil]

I'm from Russia. 1) About the survey. Option 3 - the ravings of a madman. Option 1 is possible, but unlikely. Most likely 2. 2) Those photos of Nazis from Ukraine. It's a little hard to explain. There are small amount of real Nazis in Ukraine, as well as in Russia. But they're hiding. These photos belong to paramilitary groups. From Nazism there are only paraphernalia and hatred for the opposite side of the conflict. And they are controlled by the Ukrainian authorities, including in the person of the jew Zelensky. 3) Ukrainians are different, now most of them are hostile to Russia, but if Russia captures Ukraine, then in 5 years everything will be the opposite. 4) The drama of the situation lies in the fact that citizens of the same ethnic group are fighting on both sides. And the government of both sides, through replacement migration, produces genocide of the indigenous population. People who are not brainwashed by propaganda understand that this is the main problem, the rest is secondary. Without the Slavs, there will be neither Russia nor Ukraine. 5) The war is likely to start soon, and there will be a lot of blood.

 

[Daniil]

6) I do not sympathize with any side of the conflict and I wish to burn in the hell of the authorities of both Russia and Ukraine.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Frankly, if you believe there is going to be an invasion, you listen to news sources that lie to your face. There was never going to be a invasion, and the media did this exact same thing 2021,2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016 etc. How many times are you going to fall to the exact same lie?

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[Daniil]

Frankly, if you believe there is going to be an invasion, you are an idiot who listens to news sources that lie to your face. There was never going to be a invasion, and the media did this exact same thing 2021,2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016 etc

No. Now the situation is new. Russia has already recognized independence the republics, has introduced troops and the population is being mobilized there. Now a HUGE number of troops from both sides are concentrated there. Today, Ukraine used the multiple launch rocket system for the first time.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

No. Now the situation is new. Russia has already recognized independence the republics, has introduced troops and the population is being mobilized there. Now a HUGE number of troops from both sides are concentrated there. Today, Ukraine used the multiple launch rocket system for the first time.

Its not. Every year the same lies. I actually posted a link there if you would read it.

 

[Daniil]

Its not. Every year the same lies. I actually posted a link there if you would read it.

Today for the first time in history Russia has recognized the independence of the DPR LPR.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Today for the first time in history Russia has recognized the independence of the DPR LPR.

Everything happens for the first time in history. That means nothing.

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