Ukraine Crisis

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Ukraine has a huge border along Russia's western flank, and sits within a couple of hundred miles of Moscow.

Ukraine in NATO or with American bases on it, a la Kosovo, would present a MASSIVE, potentially existential, security threat to Russia, because of the potential proximity of Western missiles to major urban centers. It would be like Canada entering a military alliance with China and allowing Beijing to station missile batteries in Toronto, pointed at Washington DC and New York. No way in hell would the US allow that.

Russia's age-old problem is that it's a resource-rich vast landmass with low population density and few natural defenses. As a result, it's attractive as an invasion target for aspiring global hegemons. It's been invaded twice from the West in catastrophic wars since 1800, 3 if you want to count foreign intervention during the civil war, and so its defense strategy depends a lot on maintaining friendly buffer states between it and the West.

The current Ukraine debacle has just as much to do with NS2 as it does with the geostrategy of Ukraine itself. Germany taking that much more gas from Russia would tighten the two countries economically (comically referred to by the US as "falling under the malign influence of a bad actor") and correspondingly weaken the US's influence in continental Europe.
 

John mcclain

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My neighbour is walking around his garden next door to me...but msm tell me to panic but nothing has happened.
 

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NATO wants war, Russia doesn't. Russia has no desire/reason to invade Ukraine, except to stop NATO expansion there.
NATO wins if Russia goes in and also if it doesn’t. Everyone knows NATO can’t expand into Ukraine.
 

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Everyone knows Russia would never allow Ukraine to join NATO just as the US would never allow a comparable military alliance into a neighboring country. But there are always the empty promises and dangling carrots from the west to build more discord. NATO wins if they expand and they win if there’s no peace in the region.

It’s remarkable how Russia/Putin are the bad guy when their actions are way beyond reasonable.
 

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This is the start of a new cold war between the west and China/Russia. The US wants to ensure europe stays within its orbit and away from the growing influence of China & Russia.

The China invading Taiwan scare was to bolster allies against China. Now they are trying to separate Russia and europe. If Russia can be provoked into aggression the sanction wont seem as high-handed. However, more sanctions and stopping Nordstream 2 are inevitable.

Behind it all is the desire to have countries who rely on US arms, monopolies, and banks.
 

daveoutside

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This purely hypothetical as long as no invasion takes place. But if it would, all reasons I can think of are scary.

Possible causes:

1.
Putin and Russia’s Leadership clearly are aware that an invasion would be endlessly costly for their state and their personal power.
Politically and economically Russia will become a pariah state indefinitely. More than the west already treats it.

So despite being seemingly prohibitively costly, NOT invading must seem even more costly for Putin and his faction.
Or, other way round, invading and occupying parts of Ukraine is strategically and politically better than not.

What could feasibly the reason for that?
Only that some circles within the US, west, nato, intelligence really threaten Russia behind the curtains more than we might wish to imagine.
The devilish globalist elites might threaten Putin et al im ways we never know. He might see no other way of defending than using Russia’s military might.

2.
Putin et al. are already and for a long time in league with said globalist elites and this is all a sharade to establish an ever deepening world crisis. A war in Ukraine would mean endless propaganda, military and intelligence empowerment, rising energy costs, inflation, migration - the entire sheebang - just more of it.
No coincidence then it happens now.

3.
Sort of a best case scenario:
Putin really is a beleaguered and anachronistic authoritarian that dreams of old sowjet or czarists glory and a cultural Empire.
The West really only is in defense here.


Any other conspiracy theories to add?
The narrative of the virus starts to fall apart then the war narrative starts up.....and you will only get to see it on the program. Just more contrived fear and division from the real Cabal.
 

Kozak

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This purely hypothetical as long as no invasion takes place. But if it would, all reasons I can think of are scary.

Possible causes:

1.
Putin and Russia’s Leadership clearly are aware that an invasion would be endlessly costly for their state and their personal power.
Politically and economically Russia will become a pariah state indefinitely. More than the west already treats it.

So despite being seemingly prohibitively costly, NOT invading must seem even more costly for Putin and his faction.
Or, other way round, invading and occupying parts of Ukraine is strategically and politically better than not.

What could feasibly the reason for that?
Only that some circles within the US, west, nato, intelligence really threaten Russia behind the curtains more than we might wish to imagine.
The devilish globalist elites might threaten Putin et al im ways we never know. He might see no other way of defending than using Russia’s military might.

2.
Putin et al. are already and for a long time in league with said globalist elites and this is all a sharade to establish an ever deepening world crisis. A war in Ukraine would mean endless propaganda, military and intelligence empowerment, rising energy costs, inflation, migration - the entire sheebang - just more of it.
No coincidence then it happens now.

3.
Sort of a best case scenario:
Putin really is a beleaguered and anachronistic authoritarian that dreams of old sowjet or czarists glory and a cultural Empire.
The West really only is in defense here.


Any other conspiracy theories to add?
I'm from Ukraine and know the whole situation quite well.

I would say the situation is evolving as the World changes and putin gets older. Initially it was #3 when putin came to power. Now it progresses more and more into #2 scenario.
 

Kozak

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NATO wants war, Russia doesn't. Russia has no desire/reason to invade Ukraine, except to stop NATO expansion there.
This is a very naïve to think that since the western governments are bad and putin is PRETENDING to oppose the west, then putin must be good.

The war has been going on for 8 years. Moscowia has invaded Ukraine twice in since 2014
 

Kozak

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Ukraine has a huge border along Russia's western flank, and sits within a couple of hundred miles of Moscow.

Ukraine in NATO or with American bases on it, a la Kosovo, would present a MASSIVE, potentially existential, security threat to Russia, because of the potential proximity of Western missiles to major urban centers. It would be like Canada entering a military alliance with China and allowing Beijing to station missile batteries in Toronto, pointed at Washington DC and New York. No way in hell would the US allow that.

Russia's age-old problem is that it's a resource-rich vast landmass with low population density and few natural defenses. As a result, it's attractive as an invasion target for aspiring global hegemons. It's been invaded twice from the West in catastrophic wars since 1800, 3 if you want to count foreign intervention during the civil war, and so its defense strategy depends a lot on maintaining friendly buffer states between it and the West.

The current Ukraine debacle has just as much to do with NS2 as it does with the geostrategy of Ukraine itself. Germany taking that much more gas from Russia would tighten the two countries economically (comically referred to by the US as "falling under the malign influence of a bad actor") and correspondingly weaken the US's influence in continental Europe.
The distance from Latvia (NATO) to moscow is about 600km the same as from Ukraine to moscow.
The distance from Estonia (NATO) to moscow is 150km.

What you are saying has no sense. It's pure propaganda.
 

Kozak

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My neighbour is walking around his garden next door to me...but msm tell me to panic but nothing has happened.
You are correct about the msm peddling the panic, but you are wrong about "neighbor just walking around in his garden".
The neighbor took over your shed (moscow occupied Crimea) and destroyed your fence (east of Ukraine) and his mad dogs are running in your backyard. Now he is shooting gun next to whatever is left of your fence.
 
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