Trump Elected Again?

[MatheusPN]

The people promoting censorship and attacking those they don't agree with in the United States are heavily influenced by critical theory.
Critical theory - Wikipedia

Critical theory is a key component of Marxist philosophy that came out of the Frankfurt School.
Frankfurt School - Wikipedia

From this perspective, these people are Marxist.

Anyone who thinks that an ideology can be used to fool ppl can be considered influenced by it. By your logic: from this perspective anyone who believes that can be a Marxist.
My point continue that, you calling SU a Marxist regime is like saying that someone who is Peat inspired and eat lots of PUFA is a Peatist.

Now will just reply to an unrelated topic to Hamster, to not hijack.

 

[Lollipop2]

The effects of the lockdowns will be seen in the years to come.

+1 especially for companies with revenue less than 100 million. I expect a lot of “deaths”.

 

[nomoreketones]

Anyone who thinks that an ideology can be used to fool ppl can be considered influenced by it. By your logic: from this perspective anyone who believes that can be a Marxist.

This statement is nonsensical.

 

[MatheusPN]

This statement is nonsensical.

Its not if you know what you said before, especially if you know Marx view which is similar to critical theory.

 

[pepzorpdorp]

Can you name one war or conflict Donald Trump has started? Now do the last 6 Presidents

Yeah he did not start anything, but he has not to know my knowledge deescelated things like he said he would and is even increasing the amount of drone strikes.

 

[nomoreketones]

Yeah he did not start anything, but he has not to know my knowledge deescelated things like he said he would and is even increasing the amount of drone strikes.

How about when Trump cancelled last minute the retaliatory attack on Iran when they shot down the US Drone over international waters. Trump cancelled the attack because he didn't think killing innocent Iranian lives was proportionate to Iran shooting down an unmanned drone.

This is what caused the rift between John Bolton and Donald Trump. After this the Democrats elevated John Bolton to hero status even though it was the result of John Bolton wanting to kill innocent Iranian lives.

Trump is willing to say, "No" to an advisor pressuring him to launch an attack even if the political consequences are very bad.

 

[yerrag]

Its not if you know what you said before, especially if you know Marx view which is similar to critical theory.

It's good to point out that the current unrest is not Marxist inspired nor driven. Using this term is meant to draw negative reactions on discussions about class inequality. The Zionists don't want any talk about class inequality, given how filthy ******* rich these Zionists are from controlling the levers of power in Western democracies and the rest of the world not named China.

This is why Zionists want to keep fanning the flames of racial inequality, funding BLM, so that they can stay out of the main focus of our minds.

 

[Regina]

And again, it is British Imperial Zionism.

 

[yerrag]

And again, it is British Imperial Zionism.

Mistrust. Conflict. War.

Can't we share a Coke? No.

To understand why, you have to understand the Law. An ancient set of laws, dating back to Babylon. It's a reptilian set of laws, enforced even in modernity--by supposedly evolved minds not lacking in sheer intelligence and brilliance. By a certain group tied to a primordial past and shaped by its existential fears - extinction or survival, not just as a species, but as a race.

To know about what drives this group:

What Does Rabbinic Judaism Say About What Makes Jews and Gentiles Different?

 

[alephx]

@MatheusPN Man, do read on No true Scotsman - Wikipedia and find out if you are a true Marxist or not.

Also read how all the people who have tried to bring Marxism about have failed and not for lack of trying but just because it fits us very badly as a species. Even true Marxists know it and that's why they attack the family unit. Enabling Marxism requires centralization of power and power corrupts its holders. A true Marxist would then like to believe they would be incorruptible and the correct one as they are doing things for the good of people.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.[...]" -C.S. Lewis

 

[JenLN]

As an expat watching the US fall apart from abroad, I can only hope people wake up in time. Mass shootings, riots, fires, you name it—I left the US in 2004, and the difference between then and now is shocking and disheartening. Now living my best life in ‘socialist’ scandinavia. Yes we pay high taxes but we have social solidarity and a very high QOL

 

[Tristan Loscha]

@MatheusPN Man, do read on No true Scotsman - Wikipedia and find out if you are a true Marxist or not.

Also read how all the people who have tried to bring Marxism about have failed and not for lack of trying but just because it fits us very badly as a species. Even true Marxists know it and that's why they attack the family unit. Enabling Marxism requires centralization of power and power corrupts its holders. A true Marxist would then like to believe they would be incorruptible and the correct one as they are doing things for the good of people.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.[...]" -C.S. Lewis

Karl Marx' vision of a better future is a net positive for the world, if we reach these goals via the monetary philosophy of his is not as clear. Soviet Union like - "Communism" under war - like distress and hardship was disgusting, but probably less worse than other advanced systems that would have to defend against threats from several positions whilst trying to consolidate its political body.

 

[MatheusPN]

@MatheusPN Man, do read on No true Scotsman - Wikipedia and find out if you are a true Marxist or not.

Also read how all the people who have tried to bring Marxism about have failed and not for lack of trying but just because it fits us very badly as a species. Even true Marxists know it and that's why they attack the family unit. Enabling Marxism requires centralization of power and power corrupts its holders. A true Marxist would then like to believe they would be incorruptible and the correct one as they are doing things for the good of people.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.[...]" -C.S. Lewis

Hahahahahah
How funny it is, the popular cnv involving Marxism are extremely repetitive, one of them is bringing this Scottish guy. Hahaha
First, I never said I was a Marxist, second, IDK well Marx philosophies so, therefore...

You're using marxism mostly as communism, very wrongly, where was Marx wrong in his critique of capitalism?

What is wrong with, a classless, capital-less, and stateless society? Which according to Marx would be achieved consequently through the extraction of the power from the elite by the proletariat, which would enable them to have more resources and control from their labor and of ownership of the means of production, therefore, bringing more equality and cooperation, then the State, the other authoritarian and hierarchical structure, would fall, a natural consequence

If you think that cooperation and non-exploitation, aren't natural then you believe that we are biological parasites who like to make others weaker because then they will be easier to dominate?

Cooperation
"The most important economy, the only reasonable one, is to make life pleasant for all because the man who is satisfied with his life produces infinitely more than the man who curses his surroundings." - Pyotr Kropotkin

Finally, thx for your help in hijacking this thread, IDWA, if you want me to reply again about this topic find or lets find a suitable thread and tag me here because then who desires can follow us handily, ok?

 

[PxD]

Asking primarily the Americans on here that follow the developments.
I‘m not from the US and it is difficult to get a serious overview about polls and surveys and chances of the coming election.

In Germany virtually all msm are extremely anti-Trump and predict his loss or wishing him a severe loss. Voices that are more cautious or neutral about the possible outcome are scarce despite the previous „upset“

So, what I gather is that most polls see Biden in front but with differing margins. It’s unclear how reliable those polls are when there is increasing pressure not to openly support Trump.
Then there are the swing states that really decide the electoral college/the election, I’m at a loss how things stand there and which states are especially close and crucial this year.

What is your assessment? Is there a real chance that Trump could be elected again or no? And why?

Thanks!

The polls are mostly garbage in/garbage out. The only pollster worth anything is Rasmussen. Rasmussen differs from the rest because they poll likely voters rather than registered voters, which gives them a more accurate reflection of the population. They were the most accurate pollster in 2016, predicting Clinton winning the popular vote by 1.7% (final result was 2.0%). Currently, they show Trump winning over Biden by 7.

Trump has been polling much higher than prior Republicans amongst blacks (as high as 28% favorable) and Hispanics (40% favorable) in recent weeks. Democrats cannot win a national election without at least 80% of the black vote; it's a cornerstone of their voter base. Trump won 7% of the black vote in 2016 and 33% of the Hispanic vote. If Trump's current approval rating among blacks and Hispanics is real and translates into actual votes, he is going to win in a landslide of epic proportions.

I think there is somewhat of a chilling effect where right-wingers are not willing to talk about or display their political support for Trump in any way, lest there are repercussions (loss of job, assault, property damage, censorship etc.) Again, polling data from Rasmussen shows that only people on the far left (8-10% of the population) of the political spectrum feel comfortable speaking their views in public, while majorities of the center-left, center, center-right, and far right all feel they have to censor themselves.

I think Trump keeps the swing states he won in 2016 and also flips Minnesota from Democrat to Republican. The Democrats only won MN by 40 thousand votes in 2016 and I think there is a lot of anger over the Democrat-encouraged BLM/Antifa rioting and destruction earlier this year. There is also a noticeable divergence between Democrat-run states that went into hard lockdowns over COVID-19 and Republican states which had much looser restrictions, in terms of jobs and the economic impact. California and New York City are poster children. For example, an estimated 20% of the population of Manhattan has left this year, and somewhere from 25% to 50% of all businesses in downtown San Francisco have permanently gone out of business or left the state. I've been seeing California license plates every day for the past 2-3 months in my city in Texas. Businesses that operate in violation of lockdown orders are fined, or even have their licenses to operate rescinded....yet these same Democrat state and local governments allowed thousands of BLM and Antifa protesters to pack the streets for weeks on end. The cumulative number of people who went out to gather, shout, protest, and loot/burn for Marxist causes since June totals an estimated 26 million...yet at the same time, John and Jane Does were being fined or even arrested for re-opening their gyms and hair salons. This glaring hypocrisy is insulting to many Americans.

The close/crucial states to watch will be Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and to a lesser extent Minnesota, Colorado, North Carolina, and Virginia.

*yes, I make a lot of reference to polls, and yes, I'm aware that I disparaged polls in my first paragraph...but it's what we've got to work with.

Democrats will likely outraise Republicans in 2020, like in 2016. I think Clinton spent 2 or 3 times as much money as Trump in 2016 and lost anyway. I don't think it means much.

In terms of enthusiasm from the voter base, Trump's base cannot wait to get out and vote and seem to be very enthusiastic. The Democrats have a problem where the Marxist wing of the party doesn't like Biden (they wanted Sanders) but feel like they are obligated to vote against Trump - come election day, there is a good chance a lot of these people simply don't show up to vote, for lack of interest or enthusiasm.

Don't listen to the MSM. Hopelessly biased trash. I'm familiar with the MSM in Germany - it's mostly globalist propaganda.

My personal prediction: Trump wins popular vote 50 to 47 (3% goes to Libertarians and Greens) and takes 324 electoral votes. Senate control stays Republican, with Republicans losing 4 seats in Maine, Montana, Arizona, and Colorado but picking up 3 seats in Minnesota, Michigan and Alabama = net loss of 1 seat. In the House, I have no idea/opinion.

 

[PxD]

I say that without favoring any of the two, but it looks bad for Trump. The link you posted showed examples of candidates ahead in early polls. We are not in the early season anymore, and Trump is 8 points behind in the national polls. I think he has simply overdone it with his act (I hope) as the simple-minded clown - I still know a few conservative-minded people in the U.S. and they are simply disgusted by him. If Trump had just behaved a little less ridiculous, a little less embarrassing, this election would be a safe bet against someone like Biden. However, after the last 4 years I can't possibly see him winning, he has simply put off too many Republicans with an IQ greater than 90.

As has been pointed out, most of the polls are unreliable. This has been a known problem for decades and it's gotten a lot worse in recent years. When Gallup shows Biden up by 22 points vs Trump, it doesn't mean Biden is predicted to win by that much, it means the polling method is obviously broken and Gallup throws up its hands and says "I quit".

Trump brokered 3 historic peace deals this year, oversaw an impressive economic expansion until COVID hit (much of those gains went to women and ethnic minorities), has drawn down US troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan and has not initiated any new military interventions. He's anti-globalist and he single-handedly initiated a re-arranging of America's supply chains and turned the world's attention to the problem of Communist China. He did all this while facing relentless opposition (to the point of baseless smears) from the media and establishment. To say that he's accomplished a lot is an understatement.

What you characterize as "embarassing behavior" is the way the media spins his image, to the point of lying about what he says and does. Watch a video of one of his campaign rallies when you get a chance. Yes, he's eccentric, but he is also entertaining, surprisingly funny, and fully of optimism and energy. He's twice my age and I wish I had half as much capacity to handle stress as he seems to have.

Don't know who your conservative contacts are but I can assure that the conservative voter base is far more enthusiastic for Trump in 2020 than they were in 2016.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Many thanks @PxD for that, clears up a lot of my cloudy knowledge.

I‘d welcome such an outcome - not least out of Schadenfreude towards the media. You have the equivalent of hypocrisy of the NYT, WP, HuffPost and so forth mirrored in outlets here, as well as a similar situation with militant Antifa and fascistoid extreme leftwingers. Not that they would ever consider themselves authoritarian/fascistoid, that’s always the other camp. And Im not supporting that Camp either, but the manifest and structural threat to the remnants of liberal rule of law comes from the left this time around. I don’t expect Trump to restore a fictive and idealized western postwar society but there is a slim chance he thwarts some of the more serious threats to that during the next 4 years. It’s the little things these days that I hope for

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Trump brokered 3 historic peace deals this year, oversaw an impressive economic expansion until COVID hit (much of those gains went to women and ethnic minorities), has drawn down US troops from Germany, Syria, and Afghanistan and has not initiated any new military interventions. He's anti-globalist and he single-handedly initiated a re-arranging of America's supply chains and turned the world's attention to the problem of Communist China. He did all this while facing relentless opposition (to the point of baseless smears) from the media and establishment. To say that he's accomplished a lot is an understatement.

What you characterize as "embarassing behavior" is the way the media spins his image, to the point of lying about what he says and does. Watch a video of one of his campaign rallies when you get a chance. Yes, he's eccentric, but he is also entertaining, surprisingly funny, and fully of optimism and energy. He's twice my age and I wish I had half as much capacity to handle stress as he seems to have.

That both mirrors my account of his achievements this term as well as the impression I get from him as a person. And I have to wade through a fog of domestic msm and mostly CNN for that.

I remember early in his term when he bombed some terrorist nest in Afghanistan with that huge payload. For a moment, MSM here swooned over him (warmongers that they are)

Then, not too long ago he refused to take retaliation to Iran shooting of an unmanned drone. He didn’t want to kill innocent Iranians for it, as Bolton did.

Now criminal warmonger Bolton is some celebrated key witness to trumps alleged idiocy... it’s a travesty, you couldn’t make up sich hypocrisy

 

[PxD]

It's possible Trump could win. He is pressuring pharmaceutical companies to get a 'COVID-19' vaccine out before the election so he can get more votes and if that happens, it alone would be enough to swing the vote. He doesn't have a clue what producing a vaccine entails or the dangers of rushing it so that's scary. I'm concerned that he would allow corporations to force employees to get the vaccination.

Biden is obviously no great pick either. In my smallish town in Wisconsin there's a lot more Biden signs though, but both trump and Biden signs are being stolen from yards.

Since RBG died, abortion will be an important factor.
Trump plans to ban abortion. Which is far more terrifying to me than anything Biden could do. And I'm pretty terrified by Biden as well.
Abortion is a life saving medical procedure in many cases. Be that as it may, there is surprisingly a lot of women who would give up their own right to necessary medical care. So we'll see how that pans out.

First time I've ever heard that. My understanding was abortions for medical reasons were pretty rare, and the overwhelming majority of abortions were about getting rid of unwanted pregnancies, i.e. feminism.

Also, who is telling you that Republicans will "ban abortion"? Even in very conservative countries like Egypt, abortion is still legal for medical reasons. You sound wildly, wildly, misinformed.

If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, it just means the abortion issue gets kicked back to the individual states, and each state decides what its policy will be.

 

[Deleted member 5487]

Candidate: Trump
Represents: Small Deep State Faction who wants to return to Unfettered National Neoliberalism. Special Attention to Isreal.
Think Tanks: Heritage Foundation & Federalist Society.
Donors : Koch Brothers/Sheldon Adelson/Mercers
Appeal to Peasants: Disenfranchised white middle/working class, Christian, Pro Life..etc. All that

Candidate: Biden
Represents: Majority of Deep State-Continuation of neoliberal Globalization-Clinton-Bush-Obama Faction.
Think Tanks: Council on Foreign Relations & Trilateral Commission & Atlantic Council
Donors : Most Elites
Appeal to Peasants: Minorities, Poor, Diversity, Liberal Top 10% who virtue signal..etc.

Verdict: Your Interests are not represented in either scenario.

Conclusion: Focus on Local Politicans/State Do not waste a second on President election

 

[yerrag]

Conclusion: Focus on Local Politicans/State Do not waste a second on President election

Focus on your health so you don't need to rely on government to pay for your healthcare needs.