Thoughts On Politics/hormone Associations In Studies/polls?

[lvysaur]

The center is the myth created by those who reign and own. The middle-ground, the golden mid, balance - rational, sensible, decent.
It‘s the ideal of the post-WW2 democracies in north-western Europe: Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia with their excellent social systems and equality of opportunities.

You are basically parroting my point to me.
Social stress = high value placed on politics
Lack of stress = apolitical, aka "centrist"

The healthiest individuals will tend to be closer to the political center. Neither right nor left extremists seem very healthy to me.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Not quite @Ivysaur, I added that you can’t use the term center any more without elaboration. I agree that in a more functional social system the middle-ground as defined seems peaty. But nowadays if you’re sound in mind and body you’d likely sympathize with a political current away from the center. Surely bot in an extremist way though.

I think turning away from the centre in einer a leftish or rightish direction can indicate the same peaty health in some ways.

Though Peat himself clearly is a leftist there are also values to the conservative right that are universally valid, as maintains clear personal virtues and responsibility, raising your children properly, helping out in the community/neighborhood, work ethics and so forth.

That’s actually another indication that in a proper western democracy there cannot be a true center. You either lean left or right even without consciously living that as a political stance. There can be centers in either the right or the left, and these are both rooted in similar values - the center is the attempt to depolitize the populace and thus foster the ruling.

The Right nowadays gets more vilified and attacked by the establishment since they seem at the moment more likely to substantially disrupt the establishment. The pseudo-lefts are infected wirh narratives actually implanted by and serving to the elites. But they play both sides and it isn’t never clear what they really aim for. What’s clear is that they try to attack the remnants of the freedom of the Press by accussing alternative media to formend hatred and so forth... they also censore Social Media and so forth ...

 

[postman]

Hmm this interesting. I would think most "free thinking" anti authoritative, creative and open minded types would lean left.

In my experience most leftists are very authoritarian, and absolutely intolerant of people who don't adhere to their dogma.

 

[milkboi]

In my experience most leftists are very authoritarian, and absolutely intolerant of people who don't adhere to their dogma.

Exactly. A lot of them think they are anti-authoritarian tho. When you show that every societal solution they offer are through government interventions, which are always based on force, their "anti-authoritarianess" quickly falls apart. Then the argument just becomes "Yeah, people are evil and stupid, somebody has to control them".

 

[Tristan Loscha]

Leftist Dominion is truly intolerant towards some political viewpointing because of this.

Wikipidea:

The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that, "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." The paradox of tolerance is an important concept for thinking about which boundaries can or should be set on freedom of speech.

 

[milkboi]

Leftist Dominion is truly intolerant towards some political viewpointing because of this.

Wikipidea:

The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that, "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." The paradox of tolerance is an important concept for thinking about which boundaries can or should be set on freedom of speech.

This is regarding tolerance of ideas right? Because the stance the left takes right now is in my opinion just tolerance of open boarders: You don't want lots of third world immigrants in your country? You are racist and intolerant!!

 

[SuperStressed]

I think of being truly left or right wing as a philosophical thing. Many people who subscribe to the mainstream left aren't left-wing at all in my eyes, they are authoritarians. I don't see free speech as a right-wing principle just because the mainstream left doesn't like it all of a sudden. I don't see forcing your kids to be injected with poisonous vaccines as a left-wing thing, yet most self-identified left wingers are all for this and they demand it for your kids too.

I've seen people suggest in the past that..
High Serotonin and Nitric Oxide = Republican
Low Serotonin and Nitric Oxide = Democrat

That's so silly. Imagine if you were gay and were super stressed and felt victimized by society, what would you be? Democrat or Republican? Very likely Democrat.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

This is regarding tolerance of ideas right? Because the stance the left takes right now is in my opinion just tolerance of open boarders: You don't want lots of third world immigrants in your country? You are racist and intolerant!!

..they do see the possible problems coming in Tandem with unsaturated Refugee-uptake,
but the left sees that the
general sentiment is drifting away from questions of wealth-sharing which are acute,Homelessness-Crisis like the USA,to psych-scapegoat-initiatives who are
formulated in deceiving ways and in bad faith.

The left also doesnt believe that people who are concerned with the problems
associated with Asylum-seeking are staunch racists.

It is only a fraction actually,around thirty percent of the populace here in
germany,but they are hungry for trouble,subconscious hostility,Group-focused enmity
that also engages Women,Single-Moms,foreigners,poor people, and anyone who wants to go
their way.

The far right will produce conditions that are against the interest of the majority of
the populace.

 

[milkboi]

..they do see the possible problems coming in Tandem with unsaturated Refugee-uptake,
but the left sees that the
general sentiment is drifting away from questions of wealth-sharing which are acute,Homelessness-Crisis like the USA,to psych-scapegoat-initiatives who are
formulated in deceiving ways and in bad faith.

The left also doesnt believe that people who are concerned with the problems
associated with Asylum-seeking are staunch racists.

It is only a fraction actually,around thirty percent of the populace here in
germany,but they are hungry for trouble,subconscious hostility,Group-focused enmity
that also engages Women,Single-Moms,foreigners,poor people, and anyone who wants to go
their way.

The far right will produce conditions that are against the interest of the majority of
the populace.

Dude, you seem to be really smart, but I wish your comments would be a bit more coherent/structured.

 

[postman]

Leftist Dominion is truly intolerant towards some political viewpointing because of this.

Wikipidea:

The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that, "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." The paradox of tolerance is an important concept for thinking about which boundaries can or should be set on freedom of speech.

This is authoritarian sanctimonius nonsense, you can oppose people while still treating them like humans. Also, Antifa and other left-wing paramilitary organizations say they are just violently opposing fascists and nazis but their definition of what a fascist is is ever expanding. Leftists unironically treat murderers and rapists better than they treat people who they think have crossed over some kind of "acceptable opinion" line, always trying to rehabilitate violent criminals but if you ever utter the wrong opinion you are marked. Do you really think you're going to be able to ever convince political enemies by bullying them, unpersoning them off of the internet, getting them fired from their jobs, and punching them? Many leftwingers think it's justified to punch someone just because they wear a Trump hat.

 

[milkboi]

This is authoritarian sanctimonius nonsense, you can oppose people while still treating them like humans. Also, Antifa and other left-wing paramilitary organizations say they are just violently opposing fascists and nazis but their definition of what a fascist is is ever expanding. Leftists unironically treat murderers and rapists better than they treat people who they think have crossed over some kind of "acceptable opinion" line, always trying to rehabilitate violent criminals but if you ever utter the wrong opinion you are marked. Do you really think you're going to be able to ever convince political enemies by bullying them, unpersoning them off of the internet, getting them fired from their jobs, and punching them? Many leftwingers think it's justified to punch someone just because they wear a Trump hat.

word.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

This is authoritarian sanctimonius nonsense, you can oppose people while still treating them like humans. Also, Antifa and other left-wing paramilitary organizations say they are just violently opposing fascists and nazis but their definition of what a fascist is is ever expanding. Leftists unironically treat murderers and rapists better than they treat people who they think have crossed over some kind of "acceptable opinion" line, always trying to rehabilitate violent criminals but if you ever utter the wrong opinion you are marked. Do you really think you're going to be able to ever convince political enemies by bullying them, unpersoning them off of the internet, getting them fired from their jobs, and punching them? Many leftwingers think it's justified to punch someone just because they wear a Trump hat.

But Antifa punches nobody,too good to be true,they have like a twentieth of violent crime
against their numerous enemies!
while still treating them like humans.

"Leftists unironically treat murderers and rapists better than they treat people who they think have crossed over some kind of "acceptable opinion" line."

I take this is as an exaggerated example?,but compare it to metoo etc,rapists and murderers go to jail in germ,
and freedom of speech is protected.After what we know,leftists are way more interested in the notion
of freedom of expression than right wingers,we ask them,and they give us answers.In countries
invaded by more degenerate Right-Wingers like Hungary and Poland,freedom of expression is severely curtailed,
they dont even talk to the public anymore,and producing vague "we are getting stronger and stronger" messages!Its pretty mindblowing to be honest!!





"if you ever utter the wrong opinion you are marked."

..and thats compareable to going to jail?


Fascism is a movement of genocide,and no,we only contain them,suppress them.
That is what germ learned from those upright Americans.
Some people have a screw loose,and the I.Q.-Gap between very conservative children
and very progressive children in the USA is around 15 Points,which is mindblowing.
All smarter people that i knew of had also way,way better general traits and werent aroused as much by
the promise of violence and maiming like the far-right gives to their constituents.World-View is Mentation-Based,
and every couple of decades,the virtuous gets killed and raped by low-lives,thats what happened in germ,
and it has to stop.


If your neighbor finds your opinion iffy,that isnt a hindrance to your governmental privilege to express opinion.



"Do you really think you're going to be able to ever convince political enemies by bullying them, unpersoning them off of the internet, getting them fired from their jobs, and punching them? Many leftwingers think it's justified to punch someone just because they wear a Trump hat."


Now we are talking!Stop doing that to foreigners who doing the dirty work underpaid,to desperate-
single moms,handicapped people or anyone really who gets at random scapegoated and punched,maimed and lynched by unconscious low-class-goons born without a guilt-center in their brains.
Most Trumphats doesnt get punched at all.

 

[postman]

But Antifa punches nobody,too good to be true,

Wrong, they physically attack not only fascists but conservatives and classical liberals as well.

they have like a twentieth of violent crime
against their numerous enemies!
while still treating them like humans.

What?

"Leftists unironically treat murderers and rapists better than they treat people who they think have crossed over some kind of "acceptable opinion" line."

I take this is as an exaggerated example?,but compare it to metoo etc,rapists and murderers go to jail in germ,

Prison times are very short for violent criminals in all western countries where leftists have a lot of influence. In countries where leftists have full control of the government, dissidents usually get sent straight to prison.

and freedom of speech is protected.After what we know,leftists are way more interested in the notion
of freedom of expression than right wingers,we ask them,and they give us answers.In countries
invaded by more degenerate Right-Wingers like Hungary and Poland,freedom of expression is severely curtailed,

Freedom of speech is an absolute joke in Germany. You have all kinds of racist, one-sided, hate speech laws. It's illegal to investigate and question historical events in Germany, people get sent to prison for years and years and years for this. Like in most European laws there are actually laws against insulting people. Blasphemy is illegal, this too carries a prison sentence. Even video games get censored in Germany. Your government has a long list of all kinds of banned material, including certain communist and nazi writings. You even said yourself in another thread that hate-speech, which is essentially just a more politically correct way to say dissident speech (when the agenda is open borders), should be illegal. So stop pretending you're a free speech advocate, you're not.

In what way is the state of free speech any worse in Hungary or Poland? Please cite the anti-freedom of speech laws in those countries, that don't have an equivalent law in Germany. For example all of these countries have hate speech laws and holocaust denial laws. Defunding leftist public broadcasting is not against freedom of speech, it's just defunding leftist public broadcasting.

they dont even talk to the public anymore,and producing vague "we are getting stronger and stronger" messages!Its pretty mindblowing to be honest!!

What?

"if you ever utter the wrong opinion you are marked."

..and thats compareable to going to jail?

In your country you could be going to jail, and if it's not illegal already it sounds like you yourself want to make it illegal. Certainly a lot of leftists want it to be illegal. Extremist right wingers want it to be illegal too but at least they don't pretend to promote freedom of speech, at least they don't pretend to be evolved humanistic beings fighting for freedom.

Fascism is a movement of genocide,and no,we only contain them,suppress them.

So is socialism and communism. So what?

That is what germ learned from those upright Americans.

?

Some people have a screw loose,and the I.Q.-Gap between very conservative children
and very progressive children in the USA is around 15 Points,which is mindblowing.

Really, you're saying conservative children are dumber than progressive children... What's your source for that?

All smarter people that i knew of had also way,way better general traits and werent aroused as much by
the promise of violence and maiming like the far-right gives to their constituents.World-View is Mentation-Based,
and every couple of decades,the virtuous gets killed and raped by low-lives,thats what happened in germ,
and it has to stop.

I'm not defending the far right. Mentation based? All I see is regurgitation of dogma and hero worship of professors.
Political murders are extremely rare these days, on all sides.

If your neighbor finds your opinion iffy,that isnt a hindrance to your governmental privilege to express opinion.

I never claimed that that is against free speech. The first problem is that people like you are trying to remove what ever protections still remain. The second problem is that you claim to be an anti-authoritarian free speech advocate, a rational and nice person who is looking out for the interest of everyone. But leftists lose their masks very quickly once they come upon someone they disagree with.

"Do you really think you're going to be able to ever convince political enemies by bullying them, unpersoning them off of the internet, getting them fired from their jobs, and punching them? Many leftwingers think it's justified to punch someone just because they wear a Trump hat."


Now we are talking!Stop doing that to foreigners who doing the dirty work underpaid,to desperate-
single moms,handicapped people or anyone really who gets at random scapegoated and punched,maimed and lynched by unconscious low-class-goons born without a guilt-center in their brains.
Most Trumphats doesnt get punched at all.

I've never done any of those things and I don't advocate for anyone else to do those things
Oh, most Trumphats haven't been punched, that's great. The difference here is that you'd have to go to the extreme far right end of the spectrum to nazis and fascists to find people who defend aggressive political violence, meanwhile on the left side you could just go up to random left wingers on the street and they will defend political violence against Trump supporters, they will say that the Charlie Hebdo attacks were understandable, they will say ***t like "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" when conservatives and liberals are victims of violence.

 

[Herbie]

The hysterical, fearful, high adrenalin, thick neck vain, mouth breather, anti social, leftist, save the planet, climate change, feminist, anti man, pushing less freedom, malnourished, more tax, vegan, grows kale in plot, doom and gloom, doesn’t understand sensational journalism, no logic, no critical thought, baby boomer or baby boomers son/daughter, demonstrating while living off hard working man or government, not working full time are mentally ill and should be admitted to a psychiatric facility for help.

 

[postman]

The hysterical, fearful, high adrenalin, thick neck vain, mouth breather, anti social, leftist, save the planet, climate change, feminist, anti man, pushing less freedom, malnourished, more tax, vegan, grows kale in plot, doom and gloom, doesn’t understand sensational journalism, no logic, no critical thought, baby boomer or baby boomers son/daughter, demonstrating while living off hard working man or government, not working full time are mentally ill and should be admitted to a psychiatric facility for help.

I don't think anyone should be forcefully admitted to a psychiatric facility unless they have comitted a crime, with the reason being a mental illness. The way people are currently admitted to mental hospitals is authoritarian and not safe, basically all it takes is a doctors order and boom you lose your right to habeas corpus, the right to stand trial. They don't get anyone cured anyways, psychiatry is very barbaric, they only achievement of mainstream psychiatry is creating antipsychotics that remove hallucinations for psychotic people.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

"Really, you're saying conservative children are dumber than progressive children... What's your source for that?"

Yes they are,but i believe it has to do with malnutrition and pushing of harmful propaganda in regards to life-choices.
Survival of the fittest is just a meme,when the true selection-trait is deceit and winning by all means.


Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

Incidentally, this finding substantiates one of the persistent complaints among conservatives. Conservatives often complain that liberals control the media or the show business or the academia or some other social institutions. The Hypothesis explains why conservatives are correct in their complaints. Liberals do control the media, or the show business, or the academia, among other institutions, because, apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail, liberals control all institutions. They control the institutions because liberals are on average more intelligent than conservatives and thus they are more likely to attain the highest status in any area of (evolutionarily novel) modern life.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

-But Antifa punches nobody,too good to be true-
"Wrong, they physically attack not only fascists but conservatives and classical liberals as well."


..For violent Crime, at least in Germ,it is even worse than i thought,pretty mindblowing to be honest!:

Suspects of Hatecrime in total:PMK -rechts-(CONS)=7153 PMK -links-(DEMS)=77

Suspects of Hatecrime violent Crime:PMK -rechts-(CONS)=871 PMK -links-(DEMS)=12

Total violent crime count:PMK -rechts-(CONS)=2026 PMK -links-(DEMS)=11



PMK -rechts-(CONS)=2026 PMK -links-(DEMS)=11
^^..200 times more violent crime,wtf man.

 

[Herbie]

I don't think anyone should be forcefully admitted to a psychiatric facility unless they have comitted a crime, with the reason being a mental illness. The way people are currently admitted to mental hospitals is authoritarian and not safe, basically all it takes is a doctors order and boom you lose your right to habeas corpus, the right to stand trial. They don't get anyone cured anyways, psychiatry is very barbaric, they only achievement of mainstream psychiatry is creating antipsychotics that remove hallucinations for psychotic people.

Haha you think I don’t know that? That's why I said they should go there.

 

[Hedgehog]

@Tristan: Yes, pretty mindblowing. You're actually retarded and can't read data properly or you're insincere by quoting the statistics the way you did (simultaneously disproving your other questionable view in regards to IQ for liberals and conservatives). You're showing us hate crime and racially motivated crime statistics and we all know those are mostly about speech issues, so for example a shitpost on Facebook. If we actually look at the relevant statistics (when talking about violence) like assaults and murders, we can see that even your very same source of the very same year the political left is actually more dominant. Keep in mind that the people making statistics are rather left-leaning as well, so a German beating up a Turk while calling him a slur could very well count as politically right motivated violence.

 

[tankasnowgod]

"Really, you're saying conservative children are dumber than progressive children... What's your source for that?"

Yes they are,but i believe it has to do with malnutrition and pushing of harmful propaganda in regards to life-choices.
Survival of the fittest is just a meme,when the true selection-trait is deceit and winning by all means.


Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives


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Incidentally, this finding substantiates one of the persistent complaints among conservatives. Conservatives often complain that liberals control the media or the show business or the academia or some other social institutions. The Hypothesis explains why conservatives are correct in their complaints. Liberals do control the media, or the show business, or the academia, among other institutions, because, apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail, liberals control all institutions. They control the institutions because liberals are on average more intelligent than conservatives and thus they are more likely to attain the highest status in any area of (evolutionarily novel) modern life.

There was no claim in that article about progressive children or conservative children. It was proposing that there was a link between IQ in childhood and political beliefs of that same person in early adulthood. No claim was made about the political beliefs of children, nor of their parents. How, or even if, they conducted such a study is anyone's guess. No source was cited in the article, other than that it was "Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction." Which means nothing. Where 10 people surveyed? 1,000? 10,000,000? Who knows? It's just as likely the author faked up that chart in photoshop to "prove" his hypothesis.