The Discovery Of Organisms (bacteria) That Use Pure Electricity As Food

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    Ray has written often about the idea of life being a kind of electron filter between the two electrodes of a battery. While many people will agree that in principles we are all electronic machines that depend on electrons derived from chemicals (food) for survival, up until now life forms that survived literally by ingesting electricity were not known. According to this study recent study, they do exist and can be used to answer important questions on health and the presence of life outside our Earth. Given that they eat and excrete pure electricity they are easier to study and manipulate compared to less "efficient" electricity consuming entities like humans.

    Meet the electric life forms that live on pure energy
    "...STICK an electrode in the ground, pump electrons down it, and they will come: living cells that eat electricity. We have known bacteria to survive on a variety of energy sources, but none as weird as this. Think of Frankenstein’s monster, brought to life by galvanic energy, except these “electric bacteria” are very real and are popping up all over the place. Unlike any other living thing on Earth, electric bacteria use energy in its purest form – naked electricity in the shape of electrons harvested from rocks and metals. We already knew about two types, Shewanella and Geobacter. Now, biologists are showing that they can entice many more out of rocks and marine mud by tempting them with a bit of electrical juice. Experiments growing bacteria on battery electrodes demonstrate that these novel, mind-boggling forms of life are essentially eating and excreting electricity.
    That should not come as a complete surprise, says Kenneth Nealson at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. We know that life, when you boil it right down, is a flow of electrons: “You eat sugars that have excess electrons, and you breathe in oxygen that willingly takes them.” Our cells break down the sugars, and the electrons flow through them in a complex set of chemical reactions until they are passed on to electron-hungry oxygen. In the process, cells make ATP, a molecule that acts as an energy storage unit for almost all living things. Moving electrons around is a key part of making ATP. “Life’s very clever,” says Nealson. “It figures out how to suck electrons out of everything we eat and keep them under control.” In most living things, the body packages the electrons up into molecules that can safely carry them through the cells until they are dumped on to oxygen. “That’s the way we make all our energy and it’s the same for every organism on this planet,” says Nealson. “Electrons must flow in order for energy to be gained. This is why when someone suffocates another person they are dead within minutes. You have stopped the supply of oxygen, so the electrons can no longer flow.”

    "...Practicality aside, another exciting prospect is to use electric bacteria to probe fundamental questions about life, such as what is the bare minimum of energy needed to maintain life. For that we need the next stage of experiments, says Yuri Gorby, a microbiologist at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York: bacteria should be grown not on a single electrode but between two. These bacteria would effectively eat electrons from one electrode, use them as a source of energy, and discard them on to the other electrode. Gorby believes bacterial cells that both eat and breathe electrons will soon be discovered. “An electric bacterium grown between two electrodes could maintain itself virtually forever,” says Gorby. “If nothing is going to eat it or destroy it then, theoretically, we should be able to maintain that organism indefinitely.” It may also be possible to vary the voltage applied to the electrodes, putting the energetic squeeze on cells to the point at which they are just doing the absolute minimum to stay alive. In this state, the cells may not be able to reproduce or grow, but they would still be able to run repairs on cell machinery. “For them, the work that energy does would be maintaining life – maintaining viability,” says Gorby."
     
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    This is incredible.
    It gets even more interesting if electricty is an effect of something else?
     
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    They did not speculate where the electricity is coming from. In quantum physics they say it is coming from the void - i.e. the so-called absolute physical vacuum. In the Western world it is known as the Zero Point Energy (ZPE). I have a few posts on ZPE.
    Ray Peat on alternative views in cosmology
    Ray Peat on alternative views in cosmology
     
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    Amazing! Reminds me a bit of Electric Universe Theory. Ray has mentioned it in several interviews on Politics and Science. Even Mai Wan Ho has written about plasma and electrical theory. Interesting to see it play out in micro as well...
     
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    Can you please provide some links to these interviews? This is not the first time I hear people saying Peat discussing the EUT but I have not been able to find much through Google.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Would be glad to! Give a few days @haidut - Mon and Tue busy work days and I need to search - He mentioned it in two interviews on Politics and Science - need to go find :):
     
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    Electrons! Fascinating topic!
     
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    Is this the Cosmic Qi or Universal Energy that Chinese Tradition talks about?

    Would that put QiGong/Reiki/etc exercises (gathering energy and making it circulate through the body) into a realistic position instead of being seen as quakery?
     
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    Interesting to consider the role of mitochondria and "food" then... prokaryotes are single celled organisms with no mitochondria and simply take in and release energy from it's single membrane. Eukaryotes (multicellular organisms) required mitochondria to "traffic" energy to cells/tissue beneath the skin/GI tract, and a mechanism to orchestrate which tissues would get more energy and when. "Food" seems to be a way to store electrical energy until it reaches mitochondria. (Also interesting to note that evolutionary biologists feel that serotonin is actually a mitochondrial hormone in that serotonin was originally produced by mitochondria to help with energy orchestration.)
     
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    Yes, to the first question and possible yes to the second. I don't know how much of a quackery it is, but the link I posted to my previous post on ZPE shows that NASA is pretty interested in finding a way to extract usable energy from the ZPE field and using it for a number of things including rocket engines, and electricity on Earth. By all current accounts the amount of energy in the ZPE field is infinite. There was a branch of physics back in the 1970s called stochastic electrodynamics that was designed specifically around the existence of the ZPE and the implications it has on physical laws. Check it out, it's pretty interesting.
    Stochastic electrodynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "...These proposals for zero-point energy suggest a source of low or no cost free energy from the vacuum as well as the hope of developing a reactionless drive.[25] NASA continues to make assessments:[26][27] In the usual interpretation of vacuum energy it is not possible to use it to do work.[28] However, SED takes a rather more literal, classical interpretation, and views the very high energy density of the electromagnetic vacuum as propagating waves, which must necessarily carry considerable energy and momentum flux, ordinarily not evident in the absence of matter, because the flux is isotropic."

    So, broadly generalizing, the ZPF that the above theory studies and attempts to manipulate is the infamous aether of Maxwell fame. Modern physics is discovering more and more that a background field/eather of some sort of necessary in order for some predictions of quantum mechanics and relativity to make sense and be testable.
     
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    @haidut Ray mentions EUT in Politics and Science interviews:

    1) In One of the Q &A interviews (2 in total)

    2) In One of the Fundraiser Intervews (2 in total)
     
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    OK, thanks. I will try to find these on the forum. Hopefully, they are transcribed already.
     
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    I don't know if you've heard about Robert Becker (Ray quotes him in one of his articles), a scientist that worked on the salamander's ability to regenerate their limbs (he started with the work of Russian scientists).
    He was able to regenerate 3/4 of the limb of an amputated rat with electricity. He also proved that accupuncture works and that some « mystical » healers might actually have powers.

    You can find some of his books on libgen.
     
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    Have you seen these threads?
    Electrical Fields, Not Dna, May Shape The Look Of An Organism
    The return of morphogenesis in medicine
    The boom in mini stomachs, brains, breasts, kidneys and more
     
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    Thanks a lot man!
     
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    Russians are doing a lot of research on pyramid power
     
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