Safest tooth replacement?

[ivy]

Hey everyone,

One of my molar teeth has just fallen out, much to my dismay. This tooth had been devitalized and a ceramic crown had been applied in 2014. This was the spot of most impact in my mouth, as I chew unevenly and for a number of years only the molars actually touched each other.

I'm sure my dentist will want to fill the gap, and I would too, for aesthetical and practical reasons. I'm 40, I've at least another 40 years of chewing ahead of me... What seems like the safest material? Also, how should I go about strengthening the bone to prepare for an implant?

 

[JacobG]

Ceramic implant. Get all the minerals plus vit k&d.

 

[ivy]

Ceramic implant. Get all the minerals plus vit k&d.

I have an open wound at this point, so I think it'll be a few months of recovery before any next steps. How long is it safe to supplement? I don't want to overdo it.
Also, what minerals are you thinking of? I'm pretty sure this was the gum rejecting the material or rotting the root. I never felt any pain, there was just a slight bad taste in my saliva which the dentist overlooked...

 

[Twohandsondeck]

Better to have no tooth than a perpetual wound made of uncertain materials

 

[JacobG]

I have an open wound at this point, so I think it'll be a few months of recovery before any next steps. How long is it safe to supplement? I don't want to overdo it.
Also, what minerals are you thinking of? I'm pretty sure this was the gum rejecting the material or rotting the root. I never felt any pain, there was just a slight bad taste in my saliva which the dentist overlooked...

Not certain how long you should supplement. Minerals are: magnesium, calcium, potassium, boron. If you have an infection in the mouth (incl gingivitis) this requires fixing. Can sometimes be difficult as it is closely tied to the GI microbiota.

 

[ivy]

Not certain how long you should supplement. Minerals are: magnesium, calcium, potassium, boron. If you have an infection in the mouth (incl gingivitis) this requires fixing. Can sometimes be difficult as it is closely tied to the GI microbiota.

Oh, I'm sure it's related to weak stomach and IBS. I'm travelling, all I can do right now is keep the site clean.

 

[Kris]

implants are toxic. there are very nasty bacteria attached to the implant surrounding area that can cause serious illness. same goes with root canals. I had a few teeth with root canals and took them all out. better to use removable denture. There was a doctor/scientist who long time ago crashed to powder root canal tooth and fed it to rabbits - they all got sick.

 

[HighT]

implants are toxic. there are very nasty bacteria attached to the implant surrounding area that can cause serious illness. same goes with root canals. I had a few teeth with root canals and took them all out. better to use removable denture. There was a doctor/scientist who long time ago crashed to powder root canal tooth and fed it to rabbits - they all got sick.

If you dont get the implant the bone area around the tooth will melt and after that even if u want u cant put implant there, unless they do bone augmentation and still chances will be low. Not to mention aesthetics with melted bone. Plus the thooth under or over the missing one will start to grow trying to fill the gap. Plus TMJ. And later if you decide to put implant that overgrown tooth has to be made even with others, making it vulnerable.

OP, you can rub mk4 on the cheek . Could be done on the gums as well but ask your dentist first.

 

[Kris]

If you dont get the implant the bone area around the tooth will melt and after that even if u want u cant put implant there, unless they do bone augmentation and still chances will be low. Not to mention aesthetics with melted bone. Plus the thooth under or over the missing one will start to grow trying to fill the gap. Plus TMJ. And later if you decide to put implant that overgrown tooth has to be made even with others, making it vulnerable.

OP, you can rub mk4 on the cheek . Could be done on the gums as well but ask your dentist first.

yes, the bone will eventually disintegrate if you do not put an implant. But so what? i am doing just fine without it. the fact that people who have dentures are much more healthy than those who put implants. they are just slowly killing themselves. ask a dentist? they have no idea, they are following what they leant in school.

 

[rothko]

gold

 

[Kris]

it does not matter which material. it is the way, the tissue develops around the implant creating pathogens.

 

[HighT]

Interesting, could you elaborate more. What are these pathogens, mechanism of work and basically what diseases can a implant cause?

 

[Gustav3Y]

implants are toxic. there are very nasty bacteria attached to the implant surrounding area that can cause serious illness. same goes with root canals. I had a few teeth with root canals and took them all out. better to use removable denture. There was a doctor/scientist who long time ago crashed to powder root canal tooth and fed it to rabbits - they all got sick.

Interesting I had some root canals and almost all of these teeth caused major issues, coincidentally or not they are in the maxillary sinus area.
I have told doctors along the years (and I mean even 20 years) that I get pains there and every doctor I have ever talked to told me there cannot be pain because the teeth are inert and whenever any doctor inspect an xray or cbct they always said the root canal is done well, no problem there.

Ironically some teeth had 3 times done the root canals, on the same tooth along 10 years. A doctor recommended doing that a 4th time saying that is the only way to fix the pain, strangely enough the last doctor said the wall is already extra thin.

So while I heard from a couple others on this forum that root canals can cause issues, or not fix the issue, I have to say I have never met any doctor agreeing to pull the root canal teeth out because of my constant complains.

Actually one of the teeth even got infected with puss, which they could not even believe, and another had a maxillary sinus mucocele ( which many doctors said is not important, ironically this can affect one's health pretty strong if you look around, from eyesight to facial deformation with years)

 

[ivy]

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Interesting I had some root canals and almost all of these teeth caused major issues, coincidentally or not they are in the maxillary sinus area.
I have told doctors along the years (and I mean even 20 years) that I get pains there and every doctor I have ever talked to told me there cannot be pain because the teeth are inert and whenever any doctor inspect an xray or cbct they always said the root canal is done well, no problem there.

Ironically some teeth had 3 times done the root canals, on the same tooth along 10 years. A doctor recommended doing that a 4th time saying that is the only way to fix the pain, strangely enough the last doctor said the wall is already extra thin.

So while I heard from a couple others on this forum that root canals can cause issues, or not fix the issue, I have to say I have never met any doctor agreeing to pull the root canal teeth out because of my constant complains.

Actually one of the teeth even got infected with puss, which they could not even believe, and another had a maxillary sinus mucocele ( which many doctors said is not important, ironically this can affect one's health pretty strong if you look around, from eyesight to facial deformation with years)

I have no way of knowing if what you guys call root canal is the exact same procedure as devitalizing. I know that two legs of the root broke, the third one is still in place. One of the ceramic faces of the tooth is still in place as well, possibly leaking all sorts of unwanted materials. There was no bleeding, no pain, no pus, not even swelling; something like an occasional throbbing in that area when I laid down, yes, and a bitter taste in my saliva. Could the tooth have been saved? Maybe, if the dentist hadn't ignored my complaints. Now, the gap is huge. Either I'm paranoid or one of the surrounding teeth has already moved slightly. If an implant is out of the equation, I'll have to wear either denture or braces to make sure the other teeth don't get disaligned. It's not just the jaw in thinking of, hearing can be severely affected by the absence of teeth. Mind you, I was born with no windom teeth, only had 24, so this one will be sorely missed.

 

[Kris]

root canal means that you have a dead tooth in your mouth. and one of the problems is that the root canal can never be perfectly cleaned. I had one done with laser, and this was the best, but the laser beam is going in straight line and the canal is has many roots and curves. as to the implant, you need to research it as I have done it long time ago, but the main idea here is that in the process of the tissue/bone growing around the false tooth, there are many pathogenic bacteria which actually become part of the whole thing. I was now looking for the information on the internet, but all what comes up are the usual junk. Anyway, one has to sometimes make a choice between aesthetics and health. I personally refuse to have dead or artificial teeth in my jaw. And just to add, last year I had my root canal tooth removed, a molar, even though it did not give me any troubles. It was a b**** to take it out, like 1h the dentist was struggling. I removed it just out of principle. And guess what, it had a horrible smell at the bottom.

 

[Gustav3Y]

And just to add, last year I had my root canal tooth removed, a molar, even though it did not give me any troubles. It was a b**** to take it out, like 1h the dentist was struggling. I removed it just out of principle. And guess what, it had a horrible smell at the bottom.

Was the dentist surprised of the smell?
I would not be surprised based on what you are saying about teeth and what very few others say.

Regarding how hard is to pull out molars, a maxilla specialist said to me that the older you are the harder is to pull molars, supposedly it is easier at 25 and such, not sure how true it is, maybe that was their personal experience.
Not quite sure what the older you are means for them, I cannot image they mean 65yr+.

 

[ivy]

I

Interesting I had some root canals and almost all of these teeth caused major issues, coincidentally or not they are in the maxillary sinus area.
I have told doctors along the years (and I mean even 20 years) that I get pains there and every doctor I have ever talked to told me there cannot be pain because the teeth are inert and whenever any doctor inspect an xray or cbct they always said the root canal is done well, no problem there.

Ironically some teeth had 3 times done the root canals, on the same tooth along 10 years. A doctor recommended doing that a 4th time saying that is the only way to fix the pain, strangely enough the last doctor said the wall is already extra thin.

So while I heard from a couple others on this forum that root canals can cause issues, or not fix the issue, I have to say I have never met any doctor agreeing to pull the root canal teeth out because of my constant complains.

Actually one of the teeth even got infected with puss, which they could not even believe, and another had a maxillary sinus mucocele ( which many doctors said is not important, ironically this can affect one's health pretty strong if you look around, from eyesight to facial deformation with years)

I have no way of knowing if what you guys call root canal is the exact same procedure as devitalizing. I know that two legs of the root broke, the third one is still in place. One of the ceramic faces of the tooth is still in place as well, possibly leaking all sorts of unwanted materials. There was no bleeding, no pain, no pus, not even swelling; something like an occasional throbbing in that area when I laid down, yes, and a bitter taste in my saliva. Could the tooth have been saved? Maybe, if the dentist hadn't ignored my complaints. Now, the gap is huge. Either I'm paranoid or one of the surrounding teeth has already moved slightly. If an implant is out of the equation, I'll have to wear either denture or braces to make sure the other teeth don't get disaligned. It's not just the jaw in thinking of, hearing can be severly affected by the absence of teeth. Mind you, I was born with no windom teeth, only had 24, so this one will be sorely missed.

root canal means that you have a dead tooth in your mouth. and one of the problems is that the root canal can never be perfectly cleaned. I had one done with laser, and this was the best, but the laser beam is going in straight line and the canal is has many roots and curves. as to the implant, you need to research it as I have done it long time ago, but the main idea here is that in the process of the tissue/bone growing around the false tooth, there are many pathogenic bacteria which actually become part of the whole thing. I was now looking for the information on the internet, but all what comes up are the usual junk. Anyway, one has to sometimes make a choice between aesthetics and health. I personally refuse to have dead or artificial teeth in my jaw. And just to add, last year I had my root canal tooth removed, a molar, even though it did not give me any troubles. It was a b**** to take it out, like 1h the dentist was struggling. I removed it just out of principle. And guess what, it had a horrible smell at the bottom.

I frankly am surprised at the total lack of bad smell and taste in my mouth. Possibly my root canal was pretty successful. I'm already persuaded that implants are a bad idea, but the problem remains: how should one keep remaining teeth in place? I've looked at prosthetics and possibly all have some level of toxicity as well! A silicone prosthetic is probably the most comfortable and discrete option, if pricier. But would I want silicone in my mouth near the salivary glands?

 

[johnwester130]

Hey everyone,

One of my molar teeth has just fallen out, much to my dismay. This tooth had been devitalized and a ceramic crown had been applied in 2014. This was the spot of most impact in my mouth, as I chew unevenly and for a number of years only the molars actually touched each other.

I'm sure my dentist will want to fill the gap, and I would too, for aesthetical and practical reasons. I'm 40, I've at least another 40 years of chewing ahead of me... What seems like the safest material? Also, how should I go about strengthening the bone to prepare for an implant?

ceramic implants are much safer than titanium

can you bridge it from the 2 adjacent teeth?

 

[ivy]

ceramic implants are much safer than titanium

can you bridge it from the 2 adjacent teeth?

I don't see how a bridge is a good idea. The three opposite teeth would suffer terrible impact...

 

[johnwester130]

Hey everyone,

One of my molar teeth has just fallen out, much to my dismay. This tooth had been devitalized and a ceramic crown had been applied in 2014. This was the spot of most impact in my mouth, as I chew unevenly and for a number of years only the molars actually touched each other.

I'm sure my dentist will want to fill the gap, and I would too, for aesthetical and practical reasons. I'm 40, I've at least another 40 years of chewing ahead of me... What seems like the safest material? Also, how should I go about strengthening the bone to prepare for an implant?

A root analogue implant

no drilling

a ceramic piece the same shape as the root is pushed into the socket. no drills.