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Patrick Timpone (PT) from One Radio Network (ORN) interviews Dr Pay Peat (RP) on April 20, 2020.
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03:15 -- interview transcript begins.
PT: okay, here we go to our second show this
morning and it is April 2020,
and it's the third Monday of the
month and on the third Monday. We are
very honored to have Dr. Ray Peat with
us. He has a PhD from the University of Oregon. He
specialized in physiology, started his
work with hormones back fifty years ago
in 1968. That's the year I started in
radio 58, 68. Wow. Wrote his dissertation in 72 in which he
outlined his ideas on progesterone and
hormones, and his main thesis is that
energy and structure are interdependent at every level. He has a
newsletter that you can always, well, we give
you a link: There you can click and get
Dr. Peat's newsletter.
[announcements of next day's guests.]
Let's say "hi" up in Eugene Oregon to
Dr. Ray Peat. Good morning Dr. Peat.
RP: Good morning.
PT: How are you doing?
RP: Very well.
PT: Very well with things in Eugene. Are they open,
and people are bustling around?
RP: Yeah, the stores are starting to get the
shelves stocked again. Things are getting
back towards normal.
PT: Hm-hm. Well, my friend, are
you getting tired of answering emails
about this Corona thing, and what's your
experience been with people that
you talk to?
RP: Oh-oh, people are keep sending me
interesting things.
PT: That's like me.
RP: Most recent was a woman, I think in New York City,
giving her version of the sickness. She
was treated with acetazolamide called
Diamox for her particular problems; and
reasoning from her experience, she came
up with the same perceptions that a
doctor in Brooklyn had noticed and and
then another doctor in in New York City gave
his similar perspectives. And this woman
has apparently no medical background,
just by her simple medical experience
that worked the whole thing out in ways
that, it seems, the CDC and World Health
Organization might never get to, because
it's based on a very cheap simple drug
and procedures that would actually save
tremendous amount of money by avoiding
the intubation and ventilation of
patients. They've been noticing that
something like an 80% mortality once
they get on a ventilator. They are very likely to
come off.
PT: Really? We've heard a little bit about
it. Give us what you, what you
understand, what is
going on when they put people on
ventilators, Dr. Peat
RP: The stabilizing factor, it's been known for about 70 or 80 years
that pure oxygen displaces carbon dioxide from the lung tissue
as well as the rest of the body, and it
injures the lung tissue to over
ventilator by writing off the carbon
dioxide. And when you lower the carbon
dioxide systemically, it's replaced by an
overproduction of lactic acid and lactic
acid shifts the metabolism and
and energy, and the pH, and structure of
the cells making them swell up and block
the passage of oxygen. So you plug up the
lungs very quickly when you over-ventilate them and, if a person has slow
metabolism and isn't producing very much
CO2, it's very easy to get them into the
hyperventilated lung, inflamed, condition.
Those are the people who, when they have
traveled to eight or ten thousand feet
altitude too fast, have developed edema
of the lungs and brain. And people have
started noticing that the people on
ventilators behave the same as people
with high altitude sickness.
PT: Interesting
RP: And that has been treated for years.
First, with this drug that makes the
body retain more carbon dioxide and then
a few people notice that giving a
supplement, carrying a tank of carbon
dioxide up the mountain, is more
valuable than just oxygen. And a
product has been available to hospitals since
the late 1930s, I think, containing 5% carbon dioxide
with 95% oxygen, which is vastly safer
than a pure oxygen for ventilating people.
But hospitals have rejected it because
of mistaken understanding about what
carbon dioxide is. They think of it as a
toxic gas rather than as an inflammatory
protective part of our metabolism.
PT: So you're seeing doctors. I've seen a couple
of the videos that are conjecturing that
this is what's going on. I saw another
doc, two of them, that were saying that
they don't know what's going on. But
they've seen from their experiences, and
they are virologists and they are
saying: "whatever is going on in the lungs, it
is not a viral infection in the lungs
there's something else going on".
RP: Yeah, and people who try to explain the virus as
the only cause. Naturally, the fact is that
80 or 90% of people who have the
demonstrated viral material in their
bodies have no symptoms whatsoever. So
obviously, it isn't enough
to cause them to have symptoms. And
some of the people who have the symptoms
have traditionally going back as far as
parts of strategy and viruses and only
about half of the people have an
identifiable agent. So there are people
with the sickness without the virus and
and lots and lots of people with the
virus with no sickness at all. So the
idea of causality is a sort of a weak
probability not a straight causal thing.
PT: Right. Which is demonstrated by the video
we put on our website this morning, Dr.
Peat. The latest one by this fellow
Kaufman and he spells out this whole
thing about Koch's postulates that you
need to prove that something is a
causation. Is that true?
RP: Yeah. But science really isn't about proving things.
Medicine even less, hardly makes a
gesture toward science. That's a
gesture, but science is about trying to
make clear the likelihood of your guess.
You always have to describe in terms
of the probability. That the P factor has
to be a less than one chance in twenty that
results happened merely by chance. So
good science recognizes that it's only a
probability and the less likely it
is to have happened by chance
the more probable it's true. But the
medicine has tried to turn science into
saying that this guess is the absolute
cause. And in the hands of the CDC that
has given a basically a slanderous view
of what science is. Makes people deny
that science has any place because they
have basically said one thing
publicly while being on record saying
opposite things in private
PT: Do you know the forces behind wanting to
get all these people on ventilators,
which, people and you are agreeing, is
actually causing more of a problem.
RP: Yeah. Carbon dioxide is our basic
stabilizing anti-inflammatory material.
And they aren't looking at it as anything
but a toxic gas. And when you're under
stress, you start making a lactic acid in
excess. And they aren't paying enough
attention to measuring the amount of
lactate in the blood because lactate
neutralizes the anti-inflammatory effect
of carbon dioxide and creates
inflammation even in the presence of
normally protective amount of CO2. And
over ventilation will easily drive up
the lactic acid, making it look like
they're becoming hypoxic that they
interpret lactic acid as evidence of
lack of oxygen. But that has been well
established in shock, for example, the
toxic factors, or dramatic factors,
whatever it is causing the injury, send
signals to shift yourselves into
making lactic acid even in the presence
of enough oxygen. So it's a very horrible
mistake to take the presence of lactic
acid as needing more oxygen. It can be
the evidence of over-ventilation rather
than under-ventilation.
PT: Hm, so when they give
folks that go into the hospital or
nursing homes oxygen, do they give a
pure or there is in there some CO2
mixed in there?
RP: They have the
product available 5% CO2 but I
think only a couple of percent of
institutions are willing to use that but
if they give just a dribble of oxygen in
a cannula in your nostril that often is harmless
and helpful. It makes it a little
easier to breathe and, I think, they aren't
giving so much oxygen that it's
irritating their lungs.
PT: Oh, I see so
that's why, I think, in the nursing home, when my mom was
in a nursing home
they had her like one or two milliliters
per minute or something very low.
RP: Yeah, that's helpful.
PT: Yeah, so
that doesn't damage anything unless you
really blast it with pure oxygen?
RP: Yeah.
And people are now saying that when
that's done in the hospitals that they
have approximately a 100%
survival, instead of 80% mortality or 60%
to 80% mortality of ventilated people.
PT: Yeah. very interesting.
So, we've done some shows, you know, and
then you look at so, you look at
Kaufman's work that we put on the
website. And he's going through like the
SARS thing in 2003 on the journal Nature
and he shows where they didn't prove
anything and they, even though the
headline says Koch's postulates
fulfilled for SARS virus, right but then
you'll go through and throughout the
article they say that it was modified by
Rivers for viral diseases.
I'm kind of still confused: Has anybody
ever really proved that some virus out
there floating around, causing a
problem, had been isolated and fulfills
Koch's postulates and is causative of a
disease?
RP: Remember Peter Duesberg?
PT: Yeah, you've mentioned him.
RP: HIV. he came close to proving
what Andrew Kaufman is saying. Duesberg
showed very convincing evidence that the
actual cases of AIDS can be explained by
demonstrated use of drugs or, in Africa,
the harm done by other sicknesses and
the drugs to treat them so Duesberg
argued that the virus is harmless and
that the treatment or the recreational
drugs will fully account for the disease.
But in the case of rhinovirus, the common-cold germ and the
common coronavirus until the last year or so,
the corona virus was one of the common
cold agents and even with the common
cold virus it was very hard to
demonstrate transmission from a person.
PT: Yes
RP: We've about half of the people with
the cold symptoms had neither corona
virus nor rhinovirus. Nothing could be
demonstrated. But when they did have a
virus, they would take a swab of it and
put it in someone's nose or grow it in
human cells from the nasal membranes and
then put a concentrate of it and even
then it wasn't an all-or-nothing. It
would only take in certain people. And so
there was a degree of causability that
it wasn't adequate in itself because it took
some property of the person who
was susceptible to a cold. They
would put 10 or 20 people in a room
together all day and often they couldn't
catch a cold from a person with a
cold. So even with the cold, you can't say
it's the cause but it's one of
the causes.
PT: so..., go ahead.
RP: The people who are susceptible,
I think, really explain how the
the virus gets into the disease. It can
be a part of the flu-like sickness, but
the flu season happens because people
are indoors during the winter months
experiencing a very different
environment and not getting sun exposure
and having a relatively dry atmosphere
that makes their nasal membranes
sensitive. So these germs are one of
the things. But many others can
contribute to the flu-season sickness.
PT: Yeah. I guess even severe
weather changes can. Right?
RP: Yeah. Right.
Weather and in the dry weather, the air
becomes literally heavier and so you've
one of the factors. In dry weather, not
only the membranes dry up, with the
oxygen tension increases and oxygen by
displacing carbon dioxide. In these
susceptible people who aren't
metabolizing and aren't producing lots of
carbon dioxide, they are sensitive even
to these increased pressure changes that
will decrease their membrane carbon
dioxide content and shift them over into
inflammation. And the people
who perceive that the medical people,
especially, the government propaganda
implies that the presence of the virus
is causing somehow these symptoms. But
it's been demonstrated that, for example,
with the standard flu virus, if you give
them a big dose of niacinamide, the
symptoms won't occur but the virus will
still be there. So the virus
replicating isn't causing the symptoms.
The ability to produce inflammation is
causing the symptoms, and the virus is
just one of the factors letting that go.
So the theory of causality by
replication just doesn't make sense. It's
the fact that this particular virus
attacks an enzyme in cells. This
enzyme is the anti-inflammatory factor,
which is one of the factors affected by
the virus. It inactivates ACE2 enzyme
which is the detoxifying agent to remove
angiotensin. And angiotensin activates
the whole inflammatory defensive system
and will account for all of the symptoms:
fever, secretion, edema. Of all of the
known symptoms are relieved when you can
block angiotensin.
PT: Fascinating. I recall even back in the Jane
Austen days---right---that they knew
that, you know, sometimes the delicate
women, for example, would be exposed to a
lot of cold and they'd get sick and they
just kind of knew that that was, you know,
the reason why anybody might have the flu.
What they never talked about is them
catching something from someone. They
kind of understood, you know,
that that's part of the deal.
RP: There was a study of, I think, about 250 women who
recently gave birth in New York
hospitals. And essentially none of them
got sick. Some of them, a very large
proportion of them, had the demonstrable
virus evidence in their bodies but none of them got seriously sick,
showing that healthy young women
definitely isn't enough to cause flu symptoms.
PT: Isn't enough. Wow. Dr. Ray Peat
with us. Patrick Timpone on oneradionetwork dot com.
So on the whole CO2 thing, I guess there would be somewhat
of an argument then: When we exercise, we produce more CO2.
RP: Too much exercise, you produce lactic acid, which
drives your CO2 down. It's what over-training is. And if your
metabolism is very high, you can tolerate
that more activity without stress and lactic acid.
PT: How would you know if you're doing too much?
RP: It takes you longer to catch your breath.
PT: Okay. All right. So as long as we're not
breathing heavily, we are in good
shape?
RP: If you only breathe hard
and have a high heart rate for a couple
of minutes after exercise.
PT: I see it goes
back down then
you're doing okay? You're getting
stronger?
RP: Yeah. You know.
PT: How can modern medicine have this all
backwards?
RP: It took a long investment of the
pharmaceutical industry and driving
research. It really got a start in the
1940s, the drug industry learned that it
could control the FDA when it convinced
them to approve estrogen to treat
menopause. And they ran the university
research, the FDA regulators, and the
public opinion and as that they've added
their various drugs to the system. Now
they can use the system just as a giant
marketing tool.
PT: Yeah. which I guess it all ties
in with the WHO and CDC and that whole
crowd. Right? The people that meet and sit
together.
RP: And vaccines, of course, being financed by the
government. It's now tens of billions of
dollars a year profiting in vaccines. And
so there's no incentive to finish off
disease, the way they did with relatively
very low cost: They've eliminated smallpox from
the world by intelligent use of vaccines.
Now they want mass use a very
profitable continuing on-going
production and consumption of vaccines.
PT: And it sure looks like that's in the
future, if things keep going the way
they're going with the Gates Foundation
and the WHO. Wow, so.
RP: I've looked at the production of flu vaccine in the
U.S. over the years.
The historic high production happened to
coincide with historic high death-rate
from flu.
PT: Really?
RP: and there's no population evidence of any benefit at
all from the flu vaccines. And already in 1976 the guy
in charge of flu vaccines in the CDC itself was telling people in
the organization that they were
basically defrauding the public by
claiming there was a benefit. And he got
fired.
PT: Yeah Dr. Ray Peat with us. A PhD.
I'm gonna tell you how to get his newsletter before we
start taking some emails. Dr. Peat, I'd
like to just think around in the world
of testing and get you help us to understand
the test that's currently going on
and has been and we see these huge
numbers, you know, hundreds of thousand
tested positive. Could you explain to us
with your understanding of what this
test is actually seen and testing for?
RP: Well, first, the most important thing is
that the misuse of tests has been just
the basis for the shutdown of the
economy. The evidence that anything
serious was happening just wasn't there.
They've had tests that showed the
existence of certain types of RNA. The
polymerase chain reaction will show that
even a single strand can be amplified
and show the presence of the germ
regardless of whether there's enough to
have any biological effect. In that test,
we'll find a trace of it and show
its presence. But you need a picture of the
population to interpret what that
means. If you test only the sick old
people, with a high probability of dying
from any stress, then you can say that
the mortality rate is 2.5% or even in Italy they've been
saying it's 8% mortality of
the people with the evidence of the
infection. But several new studies, like
the study of the pregnant child-delivering women in New York City
and study in San Mateo County in California,
are doing a sample of the population and are
necessary to interpret whether it has
any relation to the disease or to
mortality. And in the California study,
for example, it looks like this
particular virus is no more harmful than
the standard flu virus. The standard flu
mortality per infection is thought to be
about 1 in a thousand. And, in the
California study, it could be 1.4
in a thousand, instead of the eight
or ten people which have been scaring the
public with. And the people who were
giving those scary figures had to have
known that their sample was meaningless,
that they are basically just creating
propaganda with numbers that have
absolutely no meaning.
PT: So what exactly is the current test showing when you say
all the positive?
RP: It just shows that there is a at
least one molecule that has this
particular sequence, I think, so that
you can grow the particular organism in
cells in the lab. And then you can use that as
a standard and test scrapings from a person's nose, for
example, and find even one molecules enough.
The person who intended the test
said it's outrageous to consider that it
can be a quantitative test because
you can produce an infinite quantity from a single molecule.
And that's been part of the problem that
they aren't able to judge whether
the presence means anything.
PT: Yes, so it's fair to say that it's
essentially meaningless.
RP: Eh, some meaning but about 1% as much
meaning as their implying.
PT: And so now we're hearing the term "antibody
test" that is coming. This is what they're
working on. And this is going to be a new
test set. Its going to be widely
available. Do you have any idea what this
is about?
RP: That's the same problem with the HIV
AIDS virus. They say, they used to say,
having the antibody is evidence that
you're immune. That's the whole basis for
the vaccine ideology that you want to
produce the antibodies and then you're
immune. There's no other justification
for vaccination. But now they say if you
have the antibody that means you're sick.
PT: Wow. Just the opposite.
RP: Yeah, there was one study, I think, of five
people published in JAMA a few weeks ago
taking serum from a person who had the
positive antibodies and giving it to
people with the infection and saying
that they saw improvement. And that was a
traditional serum treatment in the 20s
and 30s giving a germ to a horse and
then taking the antibody serum from the
horses and treating very sick people
with a big dose of of antibodies. And it
kept even for things like snakebite. It
can have a curative effect. But, I think,
the reason it cropped out of use was
that the horse blood material can have
serious immunological allergenic effect.
PT: But for the most part, it's fair to say
that most of all these things are all
natural occurrences, that are going on in
the body all the time.
RP: Yeah, and Andrew Kaufman's
thing about the exosomes.
PT: Ah, yeah exosomes, right.
RP: That's very important to keep in
mind that we are constantly producing
these. For example, they've shown that an
injured lung cell can send out specific
information in the form of exosomes.
Particles that contain RNA, DNA, fats, and
proteins, and such are emitted. Clouds of
them circulate in the blood. They are so
small, that, for 200 years, people
discarded them as just irrelevant dust
in the background. But with electron
microscopes, they can see that they are
structured, containing nucleic acids, very
small particles on the order of the
particles that are identified as
viruses. But these, for example, travel in
the blood and can signal bone marrow
cells, for example, to make specific types
of repair cells.
PT: Wow.
RP: Specific for lung repair. This is going on constantly and,
for example, mother's milk contains
these exosomes. And they're thought to
contain useful information that passed
through the wall of the intestine as a
baby digests the milk and contributes to the
baby's immune system. So it's in last 20
years or so that they are recognized as
a very basic part of biology that was
simply passed over. It was described
actually by a North Korean in the 1960s.
But no one believed him. It was
rediscovered when people started using
electron microscopes to look at the
background material in blood serum. And
with stress and aging, such large amounts
of these enter the blood that they are,
probably, why you can take the blood from
an old animal and imitate aging symptoms
in young animals. And the serum from
young animals and rejuvenate, to some
extent, old animals. So the circulating debris.
It's a genetic repair system, ideally
with aging and stress, sends such confused
signals. It holds cells in
the senescent state, keeps them from
dying completely and being replaced.
So it's kind of deranged repair system that prevents
renewal and participates in aging, but
it's all organisms have mobile and
genetic elements.
Barbara McClintock eventually got a Nobel Prize for work
showing that genes can move around in
chromosomes and under stress in
particular. And bacteria, when
they develop genetic ability to become
immune to antibiotics, can create a
particle like an exosome and pass it
through a tube to form a bacteria
that had never experienced the
antibiotic and transmit their
resistance to other bacteria. So it's
something that all the way down the bacteria
they can transmit their genetic adaptive
material, and like on the exosome. And
since mothers can transmit it to their
babies, it's probably a feature of all
organisms that they're passing back and
forth within the species this defensive
material.
PT: And Kaufman has shown very
eloquently that the exosomes
you can isolate and then look at
and what they're calling COVID-19 are exactly the same, exactly.
RP: Yeah. There are exosomes that have
exactly that kind of structure. And where
did viruses originate that they can't
evolve by themselves; they have to live
in an animal cell.
PT: in a host. Right? They have to live.
RP: Yeah. And so I think the only
valid theory for viruses
is that they are abnormal like
bacterial immunity transmission of
acquired immunity. We can, a mother can,
pass her immunity to the baby. And,
probably, just by various contacts, we can
pass our genetic information within the
species. For example, people have
demonstrated that a woman's prior
husbands' DNA can be found in her
tissues, even her brain. So we're very
well adapted to absorbing. For example, a
woman absorbing the semen demonstrably
from different husbands incorporates it
into her own cell structure. So it's
probably something very normal to, like
bacteria, improve our immunity. But
with aging, for example, our own exosomes
can become toxic for ourselves. And I
think, the harmful virus effect
originates when animals are taking up
bits of alien DNA from even a different
species. And finding it isn't
helping to repair their system but
actually deranging it.
PT: Alien DNA. Would
be like in a vaccine? or what
other ways would they take it in? what
other way would they take in?
RP: A German geneticist Walter Dorfler has
demonstrated that you can take DNA from
beef, for example, and show that it can be
incorporated into the human genome. So
what we're eating, we are probably
assimilating some of the DNA from
carrots, cabbage, and milk, and beef
and so on.
PT: Wow. Fascinating. Stay right there sir. Well just so
interesting. Dr. Ray Peat, PhD, raypeat dot com.
And we're going to do a quick little break and then we're going to get
into some of your emails, and hopefully,
even get to most of them. Oh, then we'll
see how we do. This is oneradionetwork dot com.
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51:57
PT: We are talking with a PhD. Ray Peat's been at it for
about 50 years or so. Somebody
mentioned, I wanted to just give you a
plug for your newsletter, Dr. Peat, that
maybe, we weren't giving the right... you
said go to a an email address. But then
somebody---let me see if I can find it
real quick, sorry I should have pulled
this up. "His email address is supposed to
be typed on PayPal rather than just to
an email to him is that true?"
RP: For information about subscribing, at the
address repeatsnewsletter at gmail dot com.
PT: and then you'll take it you'll take it from
there?
RP: Yeah. Okay. Right raypetesnewsletter at
gmail dot com.
PT: Here's an interesting question
for you. Let's see. Where is it? Oh, here, it
is. "My friend with pulmonary fibrosis
sometimes sleeps with oxygen. He doesn't
have a hundred percent oxygen coming in
through his nasal tube. It gets little
blasts of oxygen but allows him to
breathe ambient air around him. Is that
sufficient carbon dioxide intake to make
the O2 coming through the tube safe?"
RP: Didn't he mention the product name
Carbogen is what they call this 5% CO2 mixture.
That it should be in
the container going in, at least 5%. 7% would be okay. But
the well-known product is called Carbogen,
and there it only five percent or so.
PT: There's actually a product that people
using oxygen? It comes in a tank or?
RP: Yeah. It's available to hospitals or
anything. And to anyone, probably, by prescription.
But it's a safe way to take your oxygen because even if
you get more than you need the carbon
dioxide is provided there right to
the lung tissue itself. And that
the fibrosis of the lungs is a very
common after-effect of this particular
virus because the angiotensin
inflammation, it leads, right after
inflammation that leads to a
overproduction of collagen and leaves
lungs fibrous and inefficient. But
I've seen people, just by using anti-inflammatory things:
thyroid, vitamin D,
progesterone and so on, regress and
improve their lungs, when they were said
to have terminal fibrosis of the lungs.
And the blockers of angiotensin
receptors, the sartans they call
them. Losartan, for example, in
animal experiments that they are seeing
evidence of reversal of the fibrosis of
the lungs with these and other
anti-inflammatory agents. The tissues *can*
repair themselves. Fibrotic heart, for
example: Years ago they showed that it could
remove the excess collagen and restore
its smaller size and better functioning,
just by supplementing T3, the active
thyroid hormone. But now that the
sartans are available. At the best
probably, they should be part of any anti-fibrosis treatment.
PT: Boy, the thyroid is... isn't it in this you've talked so
much about it?
Wow. Important to have that baby working
right, doc?
RP: hmm-hmm
PT: Here's an email: "Luc Montagnier
suggests that the SARS-CoV2 virus
came from a lab. He pointed to the
presence of elements of HIV in the
genome of the corona virus and elements
of the germ of the malaria.
He said the characteristics of the new
corona virus could not have arisen
naturally. Do you think the presence of
the malaria genome is the reason why
COVID-19 is not a typical respiratory
virus and it's more of a blood
hemoglobin affliction?
RP: No. I think the the hemoglobin thing is
secondary. The carbon dioxide is an
important agent in making hemoglobin
function properly and lactic acid
interferes with that carbon dioxide
function, and hemoglobin, and all of our
tissues, actually. The carbon dioxide
chemically combines as a carboamino
compound with the hemoglobin and with
hormone receptors all through the body.
So it's definitely affecting the
hemoglobin but only secondarily to the
change of metabolism.
PT: This is from Paula
in Arizona. she says: "I love your shows,
especially with Dr. Peat.
Could you please ask him: My dentist used
a cone beam x-ray and told me I have a
cavitation in my jaw from a tooth that
was extracted long ago he said about 95%
of all the extractions end up with
cavitations if not done properly I've
never had any pain or tenderness or
anything from those cavitations and
I really don't want to do any kind of
cavitation surgery. Does Dr. Peat
in his opinion think that I should do
something if it's not bothering me?
RP: I don't think so. I think that
hole in the bone just means that the
damage was done at a stage of growth
where you aren't regenerating bone very
well and so it's basically just a
structural defect of bone that doesn't
contain any toxic or pathological
elements.
PT: Okay, this is from Conor. In a
recent podcast in reference to the
decreasing average age of puberty in
women in America, Dr. Peat mentioned that,
in countries with a robust coconut
industry, the average age of puberty in
women could be as high as 18. Are there
negative effects that accompany
hitting puberty at such a late age?
RP: Yeah. That was about 40 years ago. And, for example,
in a state of India that used to have
an essentially coconut-based economy,
they are now for their own cooking there
are importing things like soybean oil
and not getting the benefits of their
own coconuts. So I don't think that that
would hold today.
PT: Wouldn't there be some kind of connection between
the the proliference of soy in the
Philippines long ago and then the
kids were just going into puberty very
early. Did I dream that or read that
or is there anything to that?
RP: That would be
biologically plausible because animal
experiments show that in various
fractions it can seem to be the proteins,
for example, tofu
not just the oils that have estrogen
functions. And the anatomy of animals
from others that are fed soy products,
the genitals are shaped according to the
the estrogen excess in mother's diet and
in the diet of the growing males. They
all have feminized generals.
PT: Does Dr. Peat have any favorite air
filters that he recommends that he
believes are worth the money?
RP: Favorite of what?
PT: Air filters, air filters in the
home.
RP: I don't understand.
PT: Air filters, you know?
RP: Oh, air filters. I think the
electrostatic air ionization machines
combined with the filter. The
particles are precipitated
electrostatically and at the same time
they're adding some beneficial
disinfecting and
PT: Ozone? Do they put ozone there?
RP: Ozone. Ozone will disinfect but some
of them had a good stream of
negatively ionized air, which has atonic effect on
the lungs.
PT: I see, so electrostatic is one of the keys in the
technology you like? Fred
in California wants to know if you, Dr. Pete, would
give some methods if you go over
quickly determining thyroid health? And
what those tests are? what The normal
range for those tests are?
RP: Broda Barnes
relied a lot on the waking
temperature. And his book
"Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness", I
think, some, everyone, at least in the US should read.
But I found that, in other climates---he
was working in a cool Colorado climate---in a hot climate,
you have to take the pulse rate into account as well as the
temperature because a warm climate will
keep the body temperature up even for
hypothyroid people. And an additional
test that is very-very useful, if it's
done right, is the Achilles tendon reflex
relaxation rate. You kneel on a chair such that
your toes hanging down. You thumb the
Achilles tendon to cause the calf muscle
to contract, which flings your toes out
away from your body. And it's the
relaxation rate of this big muscle. It
should, if your thyroid is good, it should
relax instantly letting the toes
freefall, so that it looks like a
just a flopping piece of meat that falls
so fast that it bounces slightly at the
bottom. If your hypothyroid, the muscle
relaxes with visible slowness like it
has a door closer on it.
So it carefully comes back to its
starting position: might take a
second to fall instead of an invisible
fraction of a second. If that's done
right, you can see: I have given people a
quick-acting thyroid after seeing
two-second return of the foot. 30 minutes
after taking quick-acting thyroid that
they all have a bouncy quick reflex.
PT: So let's see if I.. So you're kneeling and
the Achilles, I guess is just in the back.
I'm not too sure, not anatomically savvy here.
It's just the back there.
RP: Yeah, your heel connection to your calf muscle.
PT: And how do you bang on it?
RP: With a soft heavy object like it could
be the back of a book or is it for the
wooden handle of a hammer something
round and firm.
PT: And that will generally just kind of
RP: You know, you're just thumb it enough, so that the muscle
senses the twitch, and makes a
slight jerk and some people have such
tense muscles from hypothyroidism that
it looks like a piece of rubber. You see
a mechanical quiver just from the
bouncing of the thumb on the tendon. And
if you give them thyroid they all get
relaxed enough that then you'll see the
twitch and the slow return.
PT: Fascinating, so there's
such a thing as a quick-acting thyroid?
What is that?
RP: That's cynomel.
PT: Oh, We've talked about it. You can get from
Mexico is that pure T3?
RP: Yeah. And five micrograms of that or or ten
micrograms typically will relieve all of
the most obvious hypothyroid signs and
symptoms in ten or fifteen minutes.
PT: Interesting.
RP: If you chew it up
PT: If you did ten or five or ten micrograms of this
cynomel that you've talked about. And
what could you take to kind of see
what happens in 15 minutes, to see if you
were hypo, you know?
RP: If you have like cold
hands or if.. My experience that
convinced me how fast it was when I was
taking only
big dose of T3 in the morning it
has such a short half-life that I was
becoming extremely hypothyroid by sunset
and my heart would begin pausing for
about two seconds
several times a minute. And sometimes it
would go as long as three or four
seconds pausing. And that was disturbing
me. So when it was happening, I quickly
put a 10 microgram piece in my mouth and
bit it, chewed it up. And before I
could finish completely swallowing it,
probably 15 seconds, my heart rhythm had
leveled out and I never went that long
without. The T4 keeps you from
having those withdrawal reactions. T4
backs up the T3 and keeps your body
producing it.
PT: So if you had cold hands
and feet, and a little bit of the T3 and
warmed up. It would be an indication
that your hypothyroid?
RP: Yeah.
PT: That's curious: "I wonder what Dr. Peat recommends for a
toothpaste or if he thinks that the
amount of fluoride in the standard
products---most of them have them---can
affect the thyroid?
RP: Yeah, theoretically at
least. I've never seen a demonstration of
it happens with that much fluoride. For
example, the amount in fluoridated water:
If you're using cytomel as a major
supplement, which I was doing for a while,
I found that when I was in San Francisco
and would have a fluoridated water
with my orange juice that my T3 was
completely inactive after doing that for
several days.
And that amount of fluoride
will interact with T3 when it comes in
contact with, but probably there's not
enough from toothpaste or from the
water that gets into your circulation
that you can have such a strong effect
on your normally produced T3 because we
produce a good part of our T3 locally,
and in each cell. And so it just doesn't
have much opportunity to be inactivated
by supplemental fluoride.
PT: Fascinating.
Let's go to this call.
Good morning who's this, please.
Caller: From Fort Worth Texas. Yeah, Dr. Peat, I've
talked to you last month about my TSH
being .1 and you said to T3 and
calcium and sodium. And I had a blood
test done: and my free T3 is 3 free T4 is
1, TSH is 7.4, my calcium is 9.4.
P.T. Let's see. We can't go into all this kind of
detail and have him kind of do a
diagnosis on the air.
What's your what's your main question
, dear?
Caller: I still do not feel good.
Can you give us some ideas?
RP: With the TSH so
high, I think you should talk to your
doctor about that.
That's an abnormally high number.
The normal range is usually 0.3-0.5 or something like
that up to a maximum of, sometimes they
say, at 3.0 or 5.0 even.
But 7 is definitely outside the range.
PT: Can you talk to your doctor ma'am and
see if you can get that TSH down?
Caller: So should I? What should I be taking more to bring it down?
T3 or T4?
RP: T4 is the one usually prescribed for bringing
it down.
Caller: She's given me 25 micrograms twice a day.
RP: If you're taking that and still having such high TSH. It used to
be common to prescribe a 100
micrograms of T4 per day all the way up
to 200 or 300 micrograms
according to how much it takes to
bring your TSH into the normal range.
Caller: okay she said to wait six weeks and then
she's going to do the blood test again.
PT: Yeah. Oh, good stay on top of it. Thanks
thanks for trying. Thanks for
calling.
Is it true writes an email from Roger
that the PCR test is only diagnosis of
inflammation?
RP: No. I think it actually
finds the presence of that RNA.
PT: That's right
RP: But that doesn't
necessarily correspond to inflammation.
The people with inflammation are the
ones that are going to get sick with the
virus but people without pre-existing
inflammation are basically already
immune to it.
PT: Here is an email from Monica: "I was
wondering if hormone imbalance, maybe
lack of progesterone, and infrequent
heavy bleeding could be caused by just
anemia? I did order some progesterone oil.
how long do you usually take it to see
any difference?
RP: Overly frequent periods or heavy
periods usually mean an inefficient
thyroid function. And the thyroid is
required to make adequate progesterone
and to remove estrogen. And so when
you're low thyroid, you can't produce
enough progesterone to have a full
monthly cycle. And so it has repeated
small cycles. And the TSH will usually be
high, prolactin tends to go up in
hypothyroidism. So having both TSH and
prolactin tested would probably show
something.
PT: Dr. Ray Peat is with us. He is here
on the third Monday at 10:30 Central
Time. "My name is Varma. I'm from India". Hi
Varma. "I really enjoy your show when you
have Dr. Peat on. A couple of quick
questions, if you will please: What do
you think would be the best way to take
care of seasonal flu once infected?
RP: It's never too late to correct a vitamin D
deficiency and that usually makes you
susceptible to an annual flu or cold but
all of the anti-inflammatory things:
aspirin, chicken soup,
progesterone in cycle, and normalizing
your thyroid, keeping your blood
sugar up, making sure you're getting
enough protein.
PT: You've talked about this
nixtamalization and you
turned me on to this place. What's the name
of it?
That has the nixtamalized corn grits?
What company?
RP: I get mine from an Oregon
company Three Sisters. But there are
several companies that make good grits
and masa.
PT: Yeah, yeah it's
it's like I'll get the name for you
folks in. Well I really enjoy, those are
good for you. Right? And they've been
soaked in lye, everything so the body
really can digest these guys. Right?
RP: Yeah.
They don't have the toxic effects of
plain corn. Much of the polyunsaturated
fatty acids have been removed. And the
niacin content has been increased. And
the leucine has been effectively
detoxified. Very digestible.
PT: I'll get, you guys, the name of this
place. You could buy one pound or ten
pounds. And you know, the only
challenge I'm having with them? It's kind
of dumb, but they sure tend to stick
to the bottom of my glass cookware thing.
But that's about it. You know, other than
that they're just yum. Do you have any
special ways to do that with them
sticking?
RP: No.
when I heat tortilla in the microwave, it's
I think the pre-digestion effect of the
lime treatment makes them, when you
heat them, a very glue like.
PT: Yeah.
Here's another question on the nixtamalization process:
"Can you do this on wheat berries and if
you do what happens to the phytic acid
and gluten? Does it eliminate those?
RP: Oh, it
breaks down the gluten, an important part
of it. And other grains. Works apparently
with any grain. People have shown me
pictures of things they make with different grains.
And that there are toxic proteins in
storage proteins similar to gluten, even
in the the grains that contain no gluten,
as such, but they're still toxic and are
broken down by the digestive lime
process.
PT: Yeah you could get some of the
that einkorn wheat, you know, from Italy, you
know, the real ancient grains and soak
those guys and grind them up for bread I
bet they'd be good.
RP: Yeah, I think it
improves the flavor as well as the
nutritional value.
PT: But it's interesting
because you've spent time in Central
America. They just kind of do this
traditionally with corn because they
just kind of figured it out, I guess, over
thousands of years when they've been
eating corn.
RP: Yeah. And when the U.S.
imported corn or adopted it from the
Indians they didn't adopt the lime
process. And so pellagra, when people ate
too much corn and not enough protein,
they developed pellagra as a result,
which wasn't known all through the
traditional American cultures because of
the process producing adequate niacin.
PT: So what is pellagra?
RP: It's a
niacin deficiency. And it
tends to go with a protein deficiency
because if you eat a lot of protein that
you can make your own niacin.
PT: Here's a great question. Patrick says he likes
popcorn from time to time. Can you use an
nixtamalization process on the corn
kernels before you pop them?
RP: They do not pop.
PT: So we just gotta go with it.
They won't pop. I guess you've tried that,
right? Here's an email: "Does GABA
cross the blood-brain barrier and, if so,
is it safe to supplement with GABA?".
RP: It only crosses the barrier when
the brain needs it.
In a very stressed organism, they find that it
will go across the blood-brain barrier
because the barrier relaxes in an
exhausted brain that needs GABA.
PT: Here's one: "Is it safe to
use iodine topically?".
RP: A 2% tincture is
safe. But you don't want to cover too
much skin because, if you do that every
day, covering a lot of skin, you will
absorb enough to derange your thyroid
function. But just for disinfecting a
wound, it's very safe to use a 2%
tincture.
PT: Here's one for you: "Which
supplements and topical agents break
down any calcification within the layers
of the skin that contribute to hair loss
and the formation of wrinkles?"
RP: Well, related to calcium
there is the effect of parathyroid
hormone. When your diet is deficient in
calcium and vitamin K, the parathyroid
hormone increases and knocks out
oxidative metabolism. And it's a known
factor in hair loss, have an excess of
parathyroid hormone; and probably in
general tissue deterioration, which would
be behind wrinkles. When the energy goes
down collagen is over-produced and makes
tissues lose elasticity.
PT: Here's an interesting: "Dr. Peat, is there a healthy
or ideal percentage or ratio of a body fat
for women and when that percentage ratio
would change with age?".
RP: It shouldn't rise. Normally when your progesterone
and thyroid fall in the late
thirties and early forties, the metabolism slows down
and starts depositing too much fat. So
you should try to keep your thyroid
and progesterone level in balance with
the other hormones. And that will
maintain the normal feminine balance of
subcutaneous fat well-distributed around
the hips and thighs, especially. And
because of that normal female balance,
which is there as reserve for pregnancy
to maintain a steady metabolism just by
functioning as a reservoir, the fat
should stay mainly close to the skin and
not accumulate around the abdomen, torso
back, and face. Stress shifted into those
positions both in men and women but
women normally do have a much higher
percentage than men even when they're
healthy and athletic. And they shouldn't
try to compete with men for a low
fat percentage.
PT: We've received some emails earlier this morning and somehow
Dr. Kaufman, the latest one he
released yesterday called "The rooster in
the river of rats" was blocked. And I
didn't know it, but we were able to fix
it. And it's back up on YouTube so
whatever happened it was a weird thing.
And it was only back for a short time so
Sharon was ever to get it again but
and then I just found it on YouTube. So,
you know, I'm not sure what's going on
there, but it's working now. Here's a
lady,
Amy's in San Diego, and she says: "I
still have digestive problems and eat
very well-cooked and real good foods. I
still have digestive challenge. Can Dr. Peat
recommend, say, digestive enzymes to
ingest? Is there any without fillers he
would suggest? Lots of fresh ripe
pineapple or other foods instead?
RP: Those kiwi and pineapple do have proteolytic
enzymes. It's best to correct your
hormones, especially, your thyroid, so that
your digestive system has
enough energy to make the digestive
juices and enzymes and to have
peristalsis active and coordinated.
But those do accelerate the breakdown of
proteins, but most of the enzymes on the
market are derived from fungus. the
traditional digestive enzyme was dried
and powdered pancreas, usually pork. And
with it, the problem is that you can't cook
it. And it'll have enzyme action and so
there's the risk of bacteria or
parasite infection from live
animal enzymes. So that was used as
an argument for using the fungal
enzymes but a lot of people are allergic
to trace fungal antigens that can cause
allergic reactions.
PT: So a lot of the enzymes that we can look at and they say
like protease, amylase, bla, bla, bla.
Do we need to know where those are
sourced from before that?
RP: Yeah, yeah. If
they're from Aspergillus you should be
cautious: they might contain allergens.
PT: But if they're not from Aspergillus, they
would be pretty okay generally?
RP: I think the pig pancreas or beef pancreas is
safe but there is the risk of bacterial infection.
PT: Hmm-hmm. Here's a good one: "With all the
talk these days, could there be a
possible natural remedy to heal any ill
effects if we were forced to get
vaccinated or chipped? I mean this, with
this respect, for all should be allowed
to properly educate, and then one can
make their own choice. But what
could we do if we were forced?
RP: I've mentioned the accumulating sort of a
storm of exosomes that accounts for many
of the problems of aging. Those developed
from our reactions to stress and exposure to
endotoxins. And so the adjuvant that
makes the vaccine effective is
designed to create systemic inflammation
and that systemic inflammation always
has its consequences downstream. And
Robert Kennedy's website has a good
access to information on the
consequences to national health
corresponding to the tremendous increase
in exposure to these vaccine adjuvants.
PT: We recently heard his great interview, I
think was on RT, with Robert
Kennedy. And at the end of it he said
something I thought was fascinating, he said:
"You know, people call me an anti-vaxxer
and", he said, "I'm not an anti vaccine", he
said, "I'm for safe vaccines and if
somebody can show me a legitimate well
structured test, to show me that
vaccinated kids are healthier than
unvaccinated kids", he said out, "I'll just
go on to other things and work on
pollution the rivers, which is my real
passion".
RP: Right.
PT: Hasn't ever been a real safe
and effective test, has it, for vaccine?
RP: No, the safety tests are very often
fraudulent, meant to deceive. My
position is that the smallpox vaccine was
used intelligently over a period of ten
years. That was all it took to eliminate
smallpox from the world.
PT: When was that and what years were that? Excuse me for
interrupting you.
RP: From 60s until about 1970 or early seventies.
PT: Really? Were they giving just a little bit of
smallpox without any kind of mercury and
stuff?
RP: No, no, they would see an outbreak somewhere
in the world. And they would send a team
in and close in, encircle that outbreak,
and vaccinate only the people
who were likely exposed to it. And
they only took doing that several times
and they caught the last of the germs,
and they were eliminated forever.
PT: Really? Wow.
RP: But, but that definitely isn't good
business because there there were no
more sales of smallpox vaccine.
PT: Sure. Are you concerned as a health educator about
all this talk about, you know, Bill Gates
and a want to have certificates to prove
that your were vaccinated. And
they're gonna come out with some vaccine
soon, I mean, you know?
RP: I have seen several
very good videos that I think our
background for the talk of pushing
vaccinations on the basis of this
so-called pandemic. Two Stanford
associated professors, John Ioannidis
and Jay Bhattacharya, both of them have
very good videos showing the actual
facts of the pandemic.
And there is a thing called the Corbett
report.
PT: Yes
RP: I had never seen that before
but he has an episode called "Foreknowledge of the plandemic",
and was very interesting on the
financial background
of the origin of the panic. the
absence of real evidence of any reason
of panic that takes on new meaning in
the financial events of late 2019.
PT: there was a report that the Rockefeller
Foundation put out in 10 years ago and
we're going to actually copy four or
five pages from a PDF from this report.
And they talked about this entire thing.
And it's so, it's like they've
written it for today, Dr. Peat, just
fascinating, yeah.
RP: Nothing that the
Rockefeller Foundation. There's a
professor formerly of that funding of
the University, Knut Wittkowski, has opinion
on this current situation.
PT: yeah, so what
were the other two names you mentioned,
if folks want to do some research about
the videos. You said the two names, you
said them rather quickly.
What were those?
RP: John Ioannidis and Jay Bhattacharya.
PT: And they have some
interesting things to share about this
whole pandemic.
RP: Yeah. Very good stuff.
PT Well, Dr. Peat, it's always, it's such an honor to
have you here. Thanks for spending some
time with us from northern Oregon. And
you're saying that they're starting to
get back things. They're starting to move
a little bit?
RP: Yeah, the stories are
working again.
PT: Oh, they are, yeah.
Texas is starting to open up and, I think,
Ohio, Michigan in some places, so we may
be over up here. But it's very interesting even
from the financial side and the CDC side,
and WHO. They're already kind of laying
the groundwork for a rebound for the
Fall. Have you kind of seen some of this
already?
RP: Yeah, people should start
looking at the real figures being
published by the CDC, for example.
PT: Yes
RP: It's even though they send out
instructions to doctors in making
autopsy or death certificates: If they
didn't know what the cause was, it was
okay to guess: If it seems likely that
they might have died of the virus, to
put that down as the cause of death.
PT: Yes
RP: But even with instructions like that the
actual figures of flu and
coronavirus mortality, they're much less
scary looking at when you look at the
the actual numbers. But
the public warning, some statements, about
wearing masks and so on that really
seems designed to create panic.
PT: Yes, sir. We put it on our Facebook page. I have it
here in front of me. This is a NIH and
CDC as of April 17th since, since
February 1st through---that's two and a
half months---total COVID deaths are 13,000
that's it.
RP: Yeah, and the typical annual flu-like
illness up to 68,000, I think, was their
high year. And this years I think the
total is well under that average flu
deaths.
PT: right so if you go 60,000,
say 65,000, just for fun and divide it by
12 and that gives 5,540 times
2.5 months, which is what
CDC report, right. It's 13850. Wow.
And they say it 13,130. So okay.
RP: Yeah, the mortality is normally higher in
winter in northern countries. And so
about three million people normally die
of all causes during the four months
of flu season and of those a few tens of
thousands died with the flu or because
of the flu. And in the previous years,
they didn't have millions of tests for
the corona virus. But this year they do
have tests for that. But if you look at
the total number of respiratory disease
deaths, the total number is very
moderate but, since they're providing
vast numbers of tests for that
particular virus, it's logical that it
would seem that more people are dying
from that than from the old-fashioned
flu.
PT: Yes, sir. Yeah even so-called enlightened
websites posting things like 30,000
deaths in the United States.
Wow. a big headline this morning: Dr. Fauci, he's
condemning protesters. Second wave fears,
they're already, you know, Or they're
already building for this second wave, so
be cautious stay alert, stay awake, Dr.
Peat. It's an honor to have you here, sir.
Thanks for being here.
RP: Okay, thank you.
PT: raypeat dot com, and again the email
address to learn about your newsletter
RP: raypeatsnewsletter at gmail dot com
PT: raypeats plural newsletter at gmail dot com
thank you sir.
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03:15 -- interview transcript begins.
PT: okay, here we go to our second show this
morning and it is April 2020,
and it's the third Monday of the
month and on the third Monday. We are
very honored to have Dr. Ray Peat with
us. He has a PhD from the University of Oregon. He
specialized in physiology, started his
work with hormones back fifty years ago
in 1968. That's the year I started in
radio 58, 68. Wow. Wrote his dissertation in 72 in which he
outlined his ideas on progesterone and
hormones, and his main thesis is that
energy and structure are interdependent at every level. He has a
newsletter that you can always, well, we give
you a link: There you can click and get
Dr. Peat's newsletter.
[announcements of next day's guests.]
Let's say "hi" up in Eugene Oregon to
Dr. Ray Peat. Good morning Dr. Peat.
RP: Good morning.
PT: How are you doing?
RP: Very well.
PT: Very well with things in Eugene. Are they open,
and people are bustling around?
RP: Yeah, the stores are starting to get the
shelves stocked again. Things are getting
back towards normal.
PT: Hm-hm. Well, my friend, are
you getting tired of answering emails
about this Corona thing, and what's your
experience been with people that
you talk to?
RP: Oh-oh, people are keep sending me
interesting things.
PT: That's like me.
RP: Most recent was a woman, I think in New York City,
giving her version of the sickness. She
was treated with acetazolamide called
Diamox for her particular problems; and
reasoning from her experience, she came
up with the same perceptions that a
doctor in Brooklyn had noticed and and
then another doctor in in New York City gave
his similar perspectives. And this woman
has apparently no medical background,
just by her simple medical experience
that worked the whole thing out in ways
that, it seems, the CDC and World Health
Organization might never get to, because
it's based on a very cheap simple drug
and procedures that would actually save
tremendous amount of money by avoiding
the intubation and ventilation of
patients. They've been noticing that
something like an 80% mortality once
they get on a ventilator. They are very likely to
come off.
PT: Really? We've heard a little bit about
it. Give us what you, what you
understand, what is
going on when they put people on
ventilators, Dr. Peat
RP: The stabilizing factor, it's been known for about 70 or 80 years
that pure oxygen displaces carbon dioxide from the lung tissue
as well as the rest of the body, and it
injures the lung tissue to over
ventilator by writing off the carbon
dioxide. And when you lower the carbon
dioxide systemically, it's replaced by an
overproduction of lactic acid and lactic
acid shifts the metabolism and
and energy, and the pH, and structure of
the cells making them swell up and block
the passage of oxygen. So you plug up the
lungs very quickly when you over-ventilate them and, if a person has slow
metabolism and isn't producing very much
CO2, it's very easy to get them into the
hyperventilated lung, inflamed, condition.
Those are the people who, when they have
traveled to eight or ten thousand feet
altitude too fast, have developed edema
of the lungs and brain. And people have
started noticing that the people on
ventilators behave the same as people
with high altitude sickness.
PT: Interesting
RP: And that has been treated for years.
First, with this drug that makes the
body retain more carbon dioxide and then
a few people notice that giving a
supplement, carrying a tank of carbon
dioxide up the mountain, is more
valuable than just oxygen. And a
product has been available to hospitals since
the late 1930s, I think, containing 5% carbon dioxide
with 95% oxygen, which is vastly safer
than a pure oxygen for ventilating people.
But hospitals have rejected it because
of mistaken understanding about what
carbon dioxide is. They think of it as a
toxic gas rather than as an inflammatory
protective part of our metabolism.
PT: So you're seeing doctors. I've seen a couple
of the videos that are conjecturing that
this is what's going on. I saw another
doc, two of them, that were saying that
they don't know what's going on. But
they've seen from their experiences, and
they are virologists and they are
saying: "whatever is going on in the lungs, it
is not a viral infection in the lungs
there's something else going on".
RP: Yeah, and people who try to explain the virus as
the only cause. Naturally, the fact is that
80 or 90% of people who have the
demonstrated viral material in their
bodies have no symptoms whatsoever. So
obviously, it isn't enough
to cause them to have symptoms. And
some of the people who have the symptoms
have traditionally going back as far as
parts of strategy and viruses and only
about half of the people have an
identifiable agent. So there are people
with the sickness without the virus and
and lots and lots of people with the
virus with no sickness at all. So the
idea of causality is a sort of a weak
probability not a straight causal thing.
PT: Right. Which is demonstrated by the video
we put on our website this morning, Dr.
Peat. The latest one by this fellow
Kaufman and he spells out this whole
thing about Koch's postulates that you
need to prove that something is a
causation. Is that true?
RP: Yeah. But science really isn't about proving things.
Medicine even less, hardly makes a
gesture toward science. That's a
gesture, but science is about trying to
make clear the likelihood of your guess.
You always have to describe in terms
of the probability. That the P factor has
to be a less than one chance in twenty that
results happened merely by chance. So
good science recognizes that it's only a
probability and the less likely it
is to have happened by chance
the more probable it's true. But the
medicine has tried to turn science into
saying that this guess is the absolute
cause. And in the hands of the CDC that
has given a basically a slanderous view
of what science is. Makes people deny
that science has any place because they
have basically said one thing
publicly while being on record saying
opposite things in private
PT: Do you know the forces behind wanting to
get all these people on ventilators,
which, people and you are agreeing, is
actually causing more of a problem.
RP: Yeah. Carbon dioxide is our basic
stabilizing anti-inflammatory material.
And they aren't looking at it as anything
but a toxic gas. And when you're under
stress, you start making a lactic acid in
excess. And they aren't paying enough
attention to measuring the amount of
lactate in the blood because lactate
neutralizes the anti-inflammatory effect
of carbon dioxide and creates
inflammation even in the presence of
normally protective amount of CO2. And
over ventilation will easily drive up
the lactic acid, making it look like
they're becoming hypoxic that they
interpret lactic acid as evidence of
lack of oxygen. But that has been well
established in shock, for example, the
toxic factors, or dramatic factors,
whatever it is causing the injury, send
signals to shift yourselves into
making lactic acid even in the presence
of enough oxygen. So it's a very horrible
mistake to take the presence of lactic
acid as needing more oxygen. It can be
the evidence of over-ventilation rather
than under-ventilation.
PT: Hm, so when they give
folks that go into the hospital or
nursing homes oxygen, do they give a
pure or there is in there some CO2
mixed in there?
RP: They have the
product available 5% CO2 but I
think only a couple of percent of
institutions are willing to use that but
if they give just a dribble of oxygen in
a cannula in your nostril that often is harmless
and helpful. It makes it a little
easier to breathe and, I think, they aren't
giving so much oxygen that it's
irritating their lungs.
PT: Oh, I see so
that's why, I think, in the nursing home, when my mom was
in a nursing home
they had her like one or two milliliters
per minute or something very low.
RP: Yeah, that's helpful.
PT: Yeah, so
that doesn't damage anything unless you
really blast it with pure oxygen?
RP: Yeah.
And people are now saying that when
that's done in the hospitals that they
have approximately a 100%
survival, instead of 80% mortality or 60%
to 80% mortality of ventilated people.
PT: Yeah. very interesting.
So, we've done some shows, you know, and
then you look at so, you look at
Kaufman's work that we put on the
website. And he's going through like the
SARS thing in 2003 on the journal Nature
and he shows where they didn't prove
anything and they, even though the
headline says Koch's postulates
fulfilled for SARS virus, right but then
you'll go through and throughout the
article they say that it was modified by
Rivers for viral diseases.
I'm kind of still confused: Has anybody
ever really proved that some virus out
there floating around, causing a
problem, had been isolated and fulfills
Koch's postulates and is causative of a
disease?
RP: Remember Peter Duesberg?
PT: Yeah, you've mentioned him.
RP: HIV. he came close to proving
what Andrew Kaufman is saying. Duesberg
showed very convincing evidence that the
actual cases of AIDS can be explained by
demonstrated use of drugs or, in Africa,
the harm done by other sicknesses and
the drugs to treat them so Duesberg
argued that the virus is harmless and
that the treatment or the recreational
drugs will fully account for the disease.
But in the case of rhinovirus, the common-cold germ and the
common coronavirus until the last year or so,
the corona virus was one of the common
cold agents and even with the common
cold virus it was very hard to
demonstrate transmission from a person.
PT: Yes
RP: We've about half of the people with
the cold symptoms had neither corona
virus nor rhinovirus. Nothing could be
demonstrated. But when they did have a
virus, they would take a swab of it and
put it in someone's nose or grow it in
human cells from the nasal membranes and
then put a concentrate of it and even
then it wasn't an all-or-nothing. It
would only take in certain people. And so
there was a degree of causability that
it wasn't adequate in itself because it took
some property of the person who
was susceptible to a cold. They
would put 10 or 20 people in a room
together all day and often they couldn't
catch a cold from a person with a
cold. So even with the cold, you can't say
it's the cause but it's one of
the causes.
PT: so..., go ahead.
RP: The people who are susceptible,
I think, really explain how the
the virus gets into the disease. It can
be a part of the flu-like sickness, but
the flu season happens because people
are indoors during the winter months
experiencing a very different
environment and not getting sun exposure
and having a relatively dry atmosphere
that makes their nasal membranes
sensitive. So these germs are one of
the things. But many others can
contribute to the flu-season sickness.
PT: Yeah. I guess even severe
weather changes can. Right?
RP: Yeah. Right.
Weather and in the dry weather, the air
becomes literally heavier and so you've
one of the factors. In dry weather, not
only the membranes dry up, with the
oxygen tension increases and oxygen by
displacing carbon dioxide. In these
susceptible people who aren't
metabolizing and aren't producing lots of
carbon dioxide, they are sensitive even
to these increased pressure changes that
will decrease their membrane carbon
dioxide content and shift them over into
inflammation. And the people
who perceive that the medical people,
especially, the government propaganda
implies that the presence of the virus
is causing somehow these symptoms. But
it's been demonstrated that, for example,
with the standard flu virus, if you give
them a big dose of niacinamide, the
symptoms won't occur but the virus will
still be there. So the virus
replicating isn't causing the symptoms.
The ability to produce inflammation is
causing the symptoms, and the virus is
just one of the factors letting that go.
So the theory of causality by
replication just doesn't make sense. It's
the fact that this particular virus
attacks an enzyme in cells. This
enzyme is the anti-inflammatory factor,
which is one of the factors affected by
the virus. It inactivates ACE2 enzyme
which is the detoxifying agent to remove
angiotensin. And angiotensin activates
the whole inflammatory defensive system
and will account for all of the symptoms:
fever, secretion, edema. Of all of the
known symptoms are relieved when you can
block angiotensin.
PT: Fascinating. I recall even back in the Jane
Austen days---right---that they knew
that, you know, sometimes the delicate
women, for example, would be exposed to a
lot of cold and they'd get sick and they
just kind of knew that that was, you know,
the reason why anybody might have the flu.
What they never talked about is them
catching something from someone. They
kind of understood, you know,
that that's part of the deal.
RP: There was a study of, I think, about 250 women who
recently gave birth in New York
hospitals. And essentially none of them
got sick. Some of them, a very large
proportion of them, had the demonstrable
virus evidence in their bodies but none of them got seriously sick,
showing that healthy young women
definitely isn't enough to cause flu symptoms.
PT: Isn't enough. Wow. Dr. Ray Peat
with us. Patrick Timpone on oneradionetwork dot com.
So on the whole CO2 thing, I guess there would be somewhat
of an argument then: When we exercise, we produce more CO2.
RP: Too much exercise, you produce lactic acid, which
drives your CO2 down. It's what over-training is. And if your
metabolism is very high, you can tolerate
that more activity without stress and lactic acid.
PT: How would you know if you're doing too much?
RP: It takes you longer to catch your breath.
PT: Okay. All right. So as long as we're not
breathing heavily, we are in good
shape?
RP: If you only breathe hard
and have a high heart rate for a couple
of minutes after exercise.
PT: I see it goes
back down then
you're doing okay? You're getting
stronger?
RP: Yeah. You know.
PT: How can modern medicine have this all
backwards?
RP: It took a long investment of the
pharmaceutical industry and driving
research. It really got a start in the
1940s, the drug industry learned that it
could control the FDA when it convinced
them to approve estrogen to treat
menopause. And they ran the university
research, the FDA regulators, and the
public opinion and as that they've added
their various drugs to the system. Now
they can use the system just as a giant
marketing tool.
PT: Yeah. which I guess it all ties
in with the WHO and CDC and that whole
crowd. Right? The people that meet and sit
together.
RP: And vaccines, of course, being financed by the
government. It's now tens of billions of
dollars a year profiting in vaccines. And
so there's no incentive to finish off
disease, the way they did with relatively
very low cost: They've eliminated smallpox from
the world by intelligent use of vaccines.
Now they want mass use a very
profitable continuing on-going
production and consumption of vaccines.
PT: And it sure looks like that's in the
future, if things keep going the way
they're going with the Gates Foundation
and the WHO. Wow, so.
RP: I've looked at the production of flu vaccine in the
U.S. over the years.
The historic high production happened to
coincide with historic high death-rate
from flu.
PT: Really?
RP: and there's no population evidence of any benefit at
all from the flu vaccines. And already in 1976 the guy
in charge of flu vaccines in the CDC itself was telling people in
the organization that they were
basically defrauding the public by
claiming there was a benefit. And he got
fired.
PT: Yeah Dr. Ray Peat with us. A PhD.
I'm gonna tell you how to get his newsletter before we
start taking some emails. Dr. Peat, I'd
like to just think around in the world
of testing and get you help us to understand
the test that's currently going on
and has been and we see these huge
numbers, you know, hundreds of thousand
tested positive. Could you explain to us
with your understanding of what this
test is actually seen and testing for?
RP: Well, first, the most important thing is
that the misuse of tests has been just
the basis for the shutdown of the
economy. The evidence that anything
serious was happening just wasn't there.
They've had tests that showed the
existence of certain types of RNA. The
polymerase chain reaction will show that
even a single strand can be amplified
and show the presence of the germ
regardless of whether there's enough to
have any biological effect. In that test,
we'll find a trace of it and show
its presence. But you need a picture of the
population to interpret what that
means. If you test only the sick old
people, with a high probability of dying
from any stress, then you can say that
the mortality rate is 2.5% or even in Italy they've been
saying it's 8% mortality of
the people with the evidence of the
infection. But several new studies, like
the study of the pregnant child-delivering women in New York City
and study in San Mateo County in California,
are doing a sample of the population and are
necessary to interpret whether it has
any relation to the disease or to
mortality. And in the California study,
for example, it looks like this
particular virus is no more harmful than
the standard flu virus. The standard flu
mortality per infection is thought to be
about 1 in a thousand. And, in the
California study, it could be 1.4
in a thousand, instead of the eight
or ten people which have been scaring the
public with. And the people who were
giving those scary figures had to have
known that their sample was meaningless,
that they are basically just creating
propaganda with numbers that have
absolutely no meaning.
PT: So what exactly is the current test showing when you say
all the positive?
RP: It just shows that there is a at
least one molecule that has this
particular sequence, I think, so that
you can grow the particular organism in
cells in the lab. And then you can use that as
a standard and test scrapings from a person's nose, for
example, and find even one molecules enough.
The person who intended the test
said it's outrageous to consider that it
can be a quantitative test because
you can produce an infinite quantity from a single molecule.
And that's been part of the problem that
they aren't able to judge whether
the presence means anything.
PT: Yes, so it's fair to say that it's
essentially meaningless.
RP: Eh, some meaning but about 1% as much
meaning as their implying.
PT: And so now we're hearing the term "antibody
test" that is coming. This is what they're
working on. And this is going to be a new
test set. Its going to be widely
available. Do you have any idea what this
is about?
RP: That's the same problem with the HIV
AIDS virus. They say, they used to say,
having the antibody is evidence that
you're immune. That's the whole basis for
the vaccine ideology that you want to
produce the antibodies and then you're
immune. There's no other justification
for vaccination. But now they say if you
have the antibody that means you're sick.
PT: Wow. Just the opposite.
RP: Yeah, there was one study, I think, of five
people published in JAMA a few weeks ago
taking serum from a person who had the
positive antibodies and giving it to
people with the infection and saying
that they saw improvement. And that was a
traditional serum treatment in the 20s
and 30s giving a germ to a horse and
then taking the antibody serum from the
horses and treating very sick people
with a big dose of of antibodies. And it
kept even for things like snakebite. It
can have a curative effect. But, I think,
the reason it cropped out of use was
that the horse blood material can have
serious immunological allergenic effect.
PT: But for the most part, it's fair to say
that most of all these things are all
natural occurrences, that are going on in
the body all the time.
RP: Yeah, and Andrew Kaufman's
thing about the exosomes.
PT: Ah, yeah exosomes, right.
RP: That's very important to keep in
mind that we are constantly producing
these. For example, they've shown that an
injured lung cell can send out specific
information in the form of exosomes.
Particles that contain RNA, DNA, fats, and
proteins, and such are emitted. Clouds of
them circulate in the blood. They are so
small, that, for 200 years, people
discarded them as just irrelevant dust
in the background. But with electron
microscopes, they can see that they are
structured, containing nucleic acids, very
small particles on the order of the
particles that are identified as
viruses. But these, for example, travel in
the blood and can signal bone marrow
cells, for example, to make specific types
of repair cells.
PT: Wow.
RP: Specific for lung repair. This is going on constantly and,
for example, mother's milk contains
these exosomes. And they're thought to
contain useful information that passed
through the wall of the intestine as a
baby digests the milk and contributes to the
baby's immune system. So it's in last 20
years or so that they are recognized as
a very basic part of biology that was
simply passed over. It was described
actually by a North Korean in the 1960s.
But no one believed him. It was
rediscovered when people started using
electron microscopes to look at the
background material in blood serum. And
with stress and aging, such large amounts
of these enter the blood that they are,
probably, why you can take the blood from
an old animal and imitate aging symptoms
in young animals. And the serum from
young animals and rejuvenate, to some
extent, old animals. So the circulating debris.
It's a genetic repair system, ideally
with aging and stress, sends such confused
signals. It holds cells in
the senescent state, keeps them from
dying completely and being replaced.
So it's kind of deranged repair system that prevents
renewal and participates in aging, but
it's all organisms have mobile and
genetic elements.
Barbara McClintock eventually got a Nobel Prize for work
showing that genes can move around in
chromosomes and under stress in
particular. And bacteria, when
they develop genetic ability to become
immune to antibiotics, can create a
particle like an exosome and pass it
through a tube to form a bacteria
that had never experienced the
antibiotic and transmit their
resistance to other bacteria. So it's
something that all the way down the bacteria
they can transmit their genetic adaptive
material, and like on the exosome. And
since mothers can transmit it to their
babies, it's probably a feature of all
organisms that they're passing back and
forth within the species this defensive
material.
PT: And Kaufman has shown very
eloquently that the exosomes
you can isolate and then look at
and what they're calling COVID-19 are exactly the same, exactly.
RP: Yeah. There are exosomes that have
exactly that kind of structure. And where
did viruses originate that they can't
evolve by themselves; they have to live
in an animal cell.
PT: in a host. Right? They have to live.
RP: Yeah. And so I think the only
valid theory for viruses
is that they are abnormal like
bacterial immunity transmission of
acquired immunity. We can, a mother can,
pass her immunity to the baby. And,
probably, just by various contacts, we can
pass our genetic information within the
species. For example, people have
demonstrated that a woman's prior
husbands' DNA can be found in her
tissues, even her brain. So we're very
well adapted to absorbing. For example, a
woman absorbing the semen demonstrably
from different husbands incorporates it
into her own cell structure. So it's
probably something very normal to, like
bacteria, improve our immunity. But
with aging, for example, our own exosomes
can become toxic for ourselves. And I
think, the harmful virus effect
originates when animals are taking up
bits of alien DNA from even a different
species. And finding it isn't
helping to repair their system but
actually deranging it.
PT: Alien DNA. Would
be like in a vaccine? or what
other ways would they take it in? what
other way would they take in?
RP: A German geneticist Walter Dorfler has
demonstrated that you can take DNA from
beef, for example, and show that it can be
incorporated into the human genome. So
what we're eating, we are probably
assimilating some of the DNA from
carrots, cabbage, and milk, and beef
and so on.
PT: Wow. Fascinating. Stay right there sir. Well just so
interesting. Dr. Ray Peat, PhD, raypeat dot com.
And we're going to do a quick little break and then we're going to get
into some of your emails, and hopefully,
even get to most of them. Oh, then we'll
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PT: We are talking with a PhD. Ray Peat's been at it for
about 50 years or so. Somebody
mentioned, I wanted to just give you a
plug for your newsletter, Dr. Peat, that
maybe, we weren't giving the right... you
said go to a an email address. But then
somebody---let me see if I can find it
real quick, sorry I should have pulled
this up. "His email address is supposed to
be typed on PayPal rather than just to
an email to him is that true?"
RP: For information about subscribing, at the
address repeatsnewsletter at gmail dot com.
PT: and then you'll take it you'll take it from
there?
RP: Yeah. Okay. Right raypetesnewsletter at
gmail dot com.
PT: Here's an interesting question
for you. Let's see. Where is it? Oh, here, it
is. "My friend with pulmonary fibrosis
sometimes sleeps with oxygen. He doesn't
have a hundred percent oxygen coming in
through his nasal tube. It gets little
blasts of oxygen but allows him to
breathe ambient air around him. Is that
sufficient carbon dioxide intake to make
the O2 coming through the tube safe?"
RP: Didn't he mention the product name
Carbogen is what they call this 5% CO2 mixture.
That it should be in
the container going in, at least 5%. 7% would be okay. But
the well-known product is called Carbogen,
and there it only five percent or so.
PT: There's actually a product that people
using oxygen? It comes in a tank or?
RP: Yeah. It's available to hospitals or
anything. And to anyone, probably, by prescription.
But it's a safe way to take your oxygen because even if
you get more than you need the carbon
dioxide is provided there right to
the lung tissue itself. And that
the fibrosis of the lungs is a very
common after-effect of this particular
virus because the angiotensin
inflammation, it leads, right after
inflammation that leads to a
overproduction of collagen and leaves
lungs fibrous and inefficient. But
I've seen people, just by using anti-inflammatory things:
thyroid, vitamin D,
progesterone and so on, regress and
improve their lungs, when they were said
to have terminal fibrosis of the lungs.
And the blockers of angiotensin
receptors, the sartans they call
them. Losartan, for example, in
animal experiments that they are seeing
evidence of reversal of the fibrosis of
the lungs with these and other
anti-inflammatory agents. The tissues *can*
repair themselves. Fibrotic heart, for
example: Years ago they showed that it could
remove the excess collagen and restore
its smaller size and better functioning,
just by supplementing T3, the active
thyroid hormone. But now that the
sartans are available. At the best
probably, they should be part of any anti-fibrosis treatment.
PT: Boy, the thyroid is... isn't it in this you've talked so
much about it?
Wow. Important to have that baby working
right, doc?
RP: hmm-hmm
PT: Here's an email: "Luc Montagnier
suggests that the SARS-CoV2 virus
came from a lab. He pointed to the
presence of elements of HIV in the
genome of the corona virus and elements
of the germ of the malaria.
He said the characteristics of the new
corona virus could not have arisen
naturally. Do you think the presence of
the malaria genome is the reason why
COVID-19 is not a typical respiratory
virus and it's more of a blood
hemoglobin affliction?
RP: No. I think the the hemoglobin thing is
secondary. The carbon dioxide is an
important agent in making hemoglobin
function properly and lactic acid
interferes with that carbon dioxide
function, and hemoglobin, and all of our
tissues, actually. The carbon dioxide
chemically combines as a carboamino
compound with the hemoglobin and with
hormone receptors all through the body.
So it's definitely affecting the
hemoglobin but only secondarily to the
change of metabolism.
PT: This is from Paula
in Arizona. she says: "I love your shows,
especially with Dr. Peat.
Could you please ask him: My dentist used
a cone beam x-ray and told me I have a
cavitation in my jaw from a tooth that
was extracted long ago he said about 95%
of all the extractions end up with
cavitations if not done properly I've
never had any pain or tenderness or
anything from those cavitations and
I really don't want to do any kind of
cavitation surgery. Does Dr. Peat
in his opinion think that I should do
something if it's not bothering me?
RP: I don't think so. I think that
hole in the bone just means that the
damage was done at a stage of growth
where you aren't regenerating bone very
well and so it's basically just a
structural defect of bone that doesn't
contain any toxic or pathological
elements.
PT: Okay, this is from Conor. In a
recent podcast in reference to the
decreasing average age of puberty in
women in America, Dr. Peat mentioned that,
in countries with a robust coconut
industry, the average age of puberty in
women could be as high as 18. Are there
negative effects that accompany
hitting puberty at such a late age?
RP: Yeah. That was about 40 years ago. And, for example,
in a state of India that used to have
an essentially coconut-based economy,
they are now for their own cooking there
are importing things like soybean oil
and not getting the benefits of their
own coconuts. So I don't think that that
would hold today.
PT: Wouldn't there be some kind of connection between
the the proliference of soy in the
Philippines long ago and then the
kids were just going into puberty very
early. Did I dream that or read that
or is there anything to that?
RP: That would be
biologically plausible because animal
experiments show that in various
fractions it can seem to be the proteins,
for example, tofu
not just the oils that have estrogen
functions. And the anatomy of animals
from others that are fed soy products,
the genitals are shaped according to the
the estrogen excess in mother's diet and
in the diet of the growing males. They
all have feminized generals.
PT: Does Dr. Peat have any favorite air
filters that he recommends that he
believes are worth the money?
RP: Favorite of what?
PT: Air filters, air filters in the
home.
RP: I don't understand.
PT: Air filters, you know?
RP: Oh, air filters. I think the
electrostatic air ionization machines
combined with the filter. The
particles are precipitated
electrostatically and at the same time
they're adding some beneficial
disinfecting and
PT: Ozone? Do they put ozone there?
RP: Ozone. Ozone will disinfect but some
of them had a good stream of
negatively ionized air, which has atonic effect on
the lungs.
PT: I see, so electrostatic is one of the keys in the
technology you like? Fred
in California wants to know if you, Dr. Pete, would
give some methods if you go over
quickly determining thyroid health? And
what those tests are? what The normal
range for those tests are?
RP: Broda Barnes
relied a lot on the waking
temperature. And his book
"Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness", I
think, some, everyone, at least in the US should read.
But I found that, in other climates---he
was working in a cool Colorado climate---in a hot climate,
you have to take the pulse rate into account as well as the
temperature because a warm climate will
keep the body temperature up even for
hypothyroid people. And an additional
test that is very-very useful, if it's
done right, is the Achilles tendon reflex
relaxation rate. You kneel on a chair such that
your toes hanging down. You thumb the
Achilles tendon to cause the calf muscle
to contract, which flings your toes out
away from your body. And it's the
relaxation rate of this big muscle. It
should, if your thyroid is good, it should
relax instantly letting the toes
freefall, so that it looks like a
just a flopping piece of meat that falls
so fast that it bounces slightly at the
bottom. If your hypothyroid, the muscle
relaxes with visible slowness like it
has a door closer on it.
So it carefully comes back to its
starting position: might take a
second to fall instead of an invisible
fraction of a second. If that's done
right, you can see: I have given people a
quick-acting thyroid after seeing
two-second return of the foot. 30 minutes
after taking quick-acting thyroid that
they all have a bouncy quick reflex.
PT: So let's see if I.. So you're kneeling and
the Achilles, I guess is just in the back.
I'm not too sure, not anatomically savvy here.
It's just the back there.
RP: Yeah, your heel connection to your calf muscle.
PT: And how do you bang on it?
RP: With a soft heavy object like it could
be the back of a book or is it for the
wooden handle of a hammer something
round and firm.
PT: And that will generally just kind of
RP: You know, you're just thumb it enough, so that the muscle
senses the twitch, and makes a
slight jerk and some people have such
tense muscles from hypothyroidism that
it looks like a piece of rubber. You see
a mechanical quiver just from the
bouncing of the thumb on the tendon. And
if you give them thyroid they all get
relaxed enough that then you'll see the
twitch and the slow return.
PT: Fascinating, so there's
such a thing as a quick-acting thyroid?
What is that?
RP: That's cynomel.
PT: Oh, We've talked about it. You can get from
Mexico is that pure T3?
RP: Yeah. And five micrograms of that or or ten
micrograms typically will relieve all of
the most obvious hypothyroid signs and
symptoms in ten or fifteen minutes.
PT: Interesting.
RP: If you chew it up
PT: If you did ten or five or ten micrograms of this
cynomel that you've talked about. And
what could you take to kind of see
what happens in 15 minutes, to see if you
were hypo, you know?
RP: If you have like cold
hands or if.. My experience that
convinced me how fast it was when I was
taking only
big dose of T3 in the morning it
has such a short half-life that I was
becoming extremely hypothyroid by sunset
and my heart would begin pausing for
about two seconds
several times a minute. And sometimes it
would go as long as three or four
seconds pausing. And that was disturbing
me. So when it was happening, I quickly
put a 10 microgram piece in my mouth and
bit it, chewed it up. And before I
could finish completely swallowing it,
probably 15 seconds, my heart rhythm had
leveled out and I never went that long
without. The T4 keeps you from
having those withdrawal reactions. T4
backs up the T3 and keeps your body
producing it.
PT: So if you had cold hands
and feet, and a little bit of the T3 and
warmed up. It would be an indication
that your hypothyroid?
RP: Yeah.
PT: That's curious: "I wonder what Dr. Peat recommends for a
toothpaste or if he thinks that the
amount of fluoride in the standard
products---most of them have them---can
affect the thyroid?
RP: Yeah, theoretically at
least. I've never seen a demonstration of
it happens with that much fluoride. For
example, the amount in fluoridated water:
If you're using cytomel as a major
supplement, which I was doing for a while,
I found that when I was in San Francisco
and would have a fluoridated water
with my orange juice that my T3 was
completely inactive after doing that for
several days.
And that amount of fluoride
will interact with T3 when it comes in
contact with, but probably there's not
enough from toothpaste or from the
water that gets into your circulation
that you can have such a strong effect
on your normally produced T3 because we
produce a good part of our T3 locally,
and in each cell. And so it just doesn't
have much opportunity to be inactivated
by supplemental fluoride.
PT: Fascinating.
Let's go to this call.
Good morning who's this, please.
Caller: From Fort Worth Texas. Yeah, Dr. Peat, I've
talked to you last month about my TSH
being .1 and you said to T3 and
calcium and sodium. And I had a blood
test done: and my free T3 is 3 free T4 is
1, TSH is 7.4, my calcium is 9.4.
P.T. Let's see. We can't go into all this kind of
detail and have him kind of do a
diagnosis on the air.
What's your what's your main question
, dear?
Caller: I still do not feel good.
Can you give us some ideas?
RP: With the TSH so
high, I think you should talk to your
doctor about that.
That's an abnormally high number.
The normal range is usually 0.3-0.5 or something like
that up to a maximum of, sometimes they
say, at 3.0 or 5.0 even.
But 7 is definitely outside the range.
PT: Can you talk to your doctor ma'am and
see if you can get that TSH down?
Caller: So should I? What should I be taking more to bring it down?
T3 or T4?
RP: T4 is the one usually prescribed for bringing
it down.
Caller: She's given me 25 micrograms twice a day.
RP: If you're taking that and still having such high TSH. It used to
be common to prescribe a 100
micrograms of T4 per day all the way up
to 200 or 300 micrograms
according to how much it takes to
bring your TSH into the normal range.
Caller: okay she said to wait six weeks and then
she's going to do the blood test again.
PT: Yeah. Oh, good stay on top of it. Thanks
thanks for trying. Thanks for
calling.
Is it true writes an email from Roger
that the PCR test is only diagnosis of
inflammation?
RP: No. I think it actually
finds the presence of that RNA.
PT: That's right
RP: But that doesn't
necessarily correspond to inflammation.
The people with inflammation are the
ones that are going to get sick with the
virus but people without pre-existing
inflammation are basically already
immune to it.
PT: Here is an email from Monica: "I was
wondering if hormone imbalance, maybe
lack of progesterone, and infrequent
heavy bleeding could be caused by just
anemia? I did order some progesterone oil.
how long do you usually take it to see
any difference?
RP: Overly frequent periods or heavy
periods usually mean an inefficient
thyroid function. And the thyroid is
required to make adequate progesterone
and to remove estrogen. And so when
you're low thyroid, you can't produce
enough progesterone to have a full
monthly cycle. And so it has repeated
small cycles. And the TSH will usually be
high, prolactin tends to go up in
hypothyroidism. So having both TSH and
prolactin tested would probably show
something.
PT: Dr. Ray Peat is with us. He is here
on the third Monday at 10:30 Central
Time. "My name is Varma. I'm from India". Hi
Varma. "I really enjoy your show when you
have Dr. Peat on. A couple of quick
questions, if you will please: What do
you think would be the best way to take
care of seasonal flu once infected?
RP: It's never too late to correct a vitamin D
deficiency and that usually makes you
susceptible to an annual flu or cold but
all of the anti-inflammatory things:
aspirin, chicken soup,
progesterone in cycle, and normalizing
your thyroid, keeping your blood
sugar up, making sure you're getting
enough protein.
PT: You've talked about this
nixtamalization and you
turned me on to this place. What's the name
of it?
That has the nixtamalized corn grits?
What company?
RP: I get mine from an Oregon
company Three Sisters. But there are
several companies that make good grits
and masa.
PT: Yeah, yeah it's
it's like I'll get the name for you
folks in. Well I really enjoy, those are
good for you. Right? And they've been
soaked in lye, everything so the body
really can digest these guys. Right?
RP: Yeah.
They don't have the toxic effects of
plain corn. Much of the polyunsaturated
fatty acids have been removed. And the
niacin content has been increased. And
the leucine has been effectively
detoxified. Very digestible.
PT: I'll get, you guys, the name of this
place. You could buy one pound or ten
pounds. And you know, the only
challenge I'm having with them? It's kind
of dumb, but they sure tend to stick
to the bottom of my glass cookware thing.
But that's about it. You know, other than
that they're just yum. Do you have any
special ways to do that with them
sticking?
RP: No.
when I heat tortilla in the microwave, it's
I think the pre-digestion effect of the
lime treatment makes them, when you
heat them, a very glue like.
PT: Yeah.
Here's another question on the nixtamalization process:
"Can you do this on wheat berries and if
you do what happens to the phytic acid
and gluten? Does it eliminate those?
RP: Oh, it
breaks down the gluten, an important part
of it. And other grains. Works apparently
with any grain. People have shown me
pictures of things they make with different grains.
And that there are toxic proteins in
storage proteins similar to gluten, even
in the the grains that contain no gluten,
as such, but they're still toxic and are
broken down by the digestive lime
process.
PT: Yeah you could get some of the
that einkorn wheat, you know, from Italy, you
know, the real ancient grains and soak
those guys and grind them up for bread I
bet they'd be good.
RP: Yeah, I think it
improves the flavor as well as the
nutritional value.
PT: But it's interesting
because you've spent time in Central
America. They just kind of do this
traditionally with corn because they
just kind of figured it out, I guess, over
thousands of years when they've been
eating corn.
RP: Yeah. And when the U.S.
imported corn or adopted it from the
Indians they didn't adopt the lime
process. And so pellagra, when people ate
too much corn and not enough protein,
they developed pellagra as a result,
which wasn't known all through the
traditional American cultures because of
the process producing adequate niacin.
PT: So what is pellagra?
RP: It's a
niacin deficiency. And it
tends to go with a protein deficiency
because if you eat a lot of protein that
you can make your own niacin.
PT: Here's a great question. Patrick says he likes
popcorn from time to time. Can you use an
nixtamalization process on the corn
kernels before you pop them?
RP: They do not pop.
PT: So we just gotta go with it.
They won't pop. I guess you've tried that,
right? Here's an email: "Does GABA
cross the blood-brain barrier and, if so,
is it safe to supplement with GABA?".
RP: It only crosses the barrier when
the brain needs it.
In a very stressed organism, they find that it
will go across the blood-brain barrier
because the barrier relaxes in an
exhausted brain that needs GABA.
PT: Here's one: "Is it safe to
use iodine topically?".
RP: A 2% tincture is
safe. But you don't want to cover too
much skin because, if you do that every
day, covering a lot of skin, you will
absorb enough to derange your thyroid
function. But just for disinfecting a
wound, it's very safe to use a 2%
tincture.
PT: Here's one for you: "Which
supplements and topical agents break
down any calcification within the layers
of the skin that contribute to hair loss
and the formation of wrinkles?"
RP: Well, related to calcium
there is the effect of parathyroid
hormone. When your diet is deficient in
calcium and vitamin K, the parathyroid
hormone increases and knocks out
oxidative metabolism. And it's a known
factor in hair loss, have an excess of
parathyroid hormone; and probably in
general tissue deterioration, which would
be behind wrinkles. When the energy goes
down collagen is over-produced and makes
tissues lose elasticity.
PT: Here's an interesting: "Dr. Peat, is there a healthy
or ideal percentage or ratio of a body fat
for women and when that percentage ratio
would change with age?".
RP: It shouldn't rise. Normally when your progesterone
and thyroid fall in the late
thirties and early forties, the metabolism slows down
and starts depositing too much fat. So
you should try to keep your thyroid
and progesterone level in balance with
the other hormones. And that will
maintain the normal feminine balance of
subcutaneous fat well-distributed around
the hips and thighs, especially. And
because of that normal female balance,
which is there as reserve for pregnancy
to maintain a steady metabolism just by
functioning as a reservoir, the fat
should stay mainly close to the skin and
not accumulate around the abdomen, torso
back, and face. Stress shifted into those
positions both in men and women but
women normally do have a much higher
percentage than men even when they're
healthy and athletic. And they shouldn't
try to compete with men for a low
fat percentage.
PT: We've received some emails earlier this morning and somehow
Dr. Kaufman, the latest one he
released yesterday called "The rooster in
the river of rats" was blocked. And I
didn't know it, but we were able to fix
it. And it's back up on YouTube so
whatever happened it was a weird thing.
And it was only back for a short time so
Sharon was ever to get it again but
and then I just found it on YouTube. So,
you know, I'm not sure what's going on
there, but it's working now. Here's a
lady,
Amy's in San Diego, and she says: "I
still have digestive problems and eat
very well-cooked and real good foods. I
still have digestive challenge. Can Dr. Peat
recommend, say, digestive enzymes to
ingest? Is there any without fillers he
would suggest? Lots of fresh ripe
pineapple or other foods instead?
RP: Those kiwi and pineapple do have proteolytic
enzymes. It's best to correct your
hormones, especially, your thyroid, so that
your digestive system has
enough energy to make the digestive
juices and enzymes and to have
peristalsis active and coordinated.
But those do accelerate the breakdown of
proteins, but most of the enzymes on the
market are derived from fungus. the
traditional digestive enzyme was dried
and powdered pancreas, usually pork. And
with it, the problem is that you can't cook
it. And it'll have enzyme action and so
there's the risk of bacteria or
parasite infection from live
animal enzymes. So that was used as
an argument for using the fungal
enzymes but a lot of people are allergic
to trace fungal antigens that can cause
allergic reactions.
PT: So a lot of the enzymes that we can look at and they say
like protease, amylase, bla, bla, bla.
Do we need to know where those are
sourced from before that?
RP: Yeah, yeah. If
they're from Aspergillus you should be
cautious: they might contain allergens.
PT: But if they're not from Aspergillus, they
would be pretty okay generally?
RP: I think the pig pancreas or beef pancreas is
safe but there is the risk of bacterial infection.
PT: Hmm-hmm. Here's a good one: "With all the
talk these days, could there be a
possible natural remedy to heal any ill
effects if we were forced to get
vaccinated or chipped? I mean this, with
this respect, for all should be allowed
to properly educate, and then one can
make their own choice. But what
could we do if we were forced?
RP: I've mentioned the accumulating sort of a
storm of exosomes that accounts for many
of the problems of aging. Those developed
from our reactions to stress and exposure to
endotoxins. And so the adjuvant that
makes the vaccine effective is
designed to create systemic inflammation
and that systemic inflammation always
has its consequences downstream. And
Robert Kennedy's website has a good
access to information on the
consequences to national health
corresponding to the tremendous increase
in exposure to these vaccine adjuvants.
PT: We recently heard his great interview, I
think was on RT, with Robert
Kennedy. And at the end of it he said
something I thought was fascinating, he said:
"You know, people call me an anti-vaxxer
and", he said, "I'm not an anti vaccine", he
said, "I'm for safe vaccines and if
somebody can show me a legitimate well
structured test, to show me that
vaccinated kids are healthier than
unvaccinated kids", he said out, "I'll just
go on to other things and work on
pollution the rivers, which is my real
passion".
RP: Right.
PT: Hasn't ever been a real safe
and effective test, has it, for vaccine?
RP: No, the safety tests are very often
fraudulent, meant to deceive. My
position is that the smallpox vaccine was
used intelligently over a period of ten
years. That was all it took to eliminate
smallpox from the world.
PT: When was that and what years were that? Excuse me for
interrupting you.
RP: From 60s until about 1970 or early seventies.
PT: Really? Were they giving just a little bit of
smallpox without any kind of mercury and
stuff?
RP: No, no, they would see an outbreak somewhere
in the world. And they would send a team
in and close in, encircle that outbreak,
and vaccinate only the people
who were likely exposed to it. And
they only took doing that several times
and they caught the last of the germs,
and they were eliminated forever.
PT: Really? Wow.
RP: But, but that definitely isn't good
business because there there were no
more sales of smallpox vaccine.
PT: Sure. Are you concerned as a health educator about
all this talk about, you know, Bill Gates
and a want to have certificates to prove
that your were vaccinated. And
they're gonna come out with some vaccine
soon, I mean, you know?
RP: I have seen several
very good videos that I think our
background for the talk of pushing
vaccinations on the basis of this
so-called pandemic. Two Stanford
associated professors, John Ioannidis
and Jay Bhattacharya, both of them have
very good videos showing the actual
facts of the pandemic.
And there is a thing called the Corbett
report.
PT: Yes
RP: I had never seen that before
but he has an episode called "Foreknowledge of the plandemic",
and was very interesting on the
financial background
of the origin of the panic. the
absence of real evidence of any reason
of panic that takes on new meaning in
the financial events of late 2019.
PT: there was a report that the Rockefeller
Foundation put out in 10 years ago and
we're going to actually copy four or
five pages from a PDF from this report.
And they talked about this entire thing.
And it's so, it's like they've
written it for today, Dr. Peat, just
fascinating, yeah.
RP: Nothing that the
Rockefeller Foundation. There's a
professor formerly of that funding of
the University, Knut Wittkowski, has opinion
on this current situation.
PT: yeah, so what
were the other two names you mentioned,
if folks want to do some research about
the videos. You said the two names, you
said them rather quickly.
What were those?
RP: John Ioannidis and Jay Bhattacharya.
PT: And they have some
interesting things to share about this
whole pandemic.
RP: Yeah. Very good stuff.
PT Well, Dr. Peat, it's always, it's such an honor to
have you here. Thanks for spending some
time with us from northern Oregon. And
you're saying that they're starting to
get back things. They're starting to move
a little bit?
RP: Yeah, the stories are
working again.
PT: Oh, they are, yeah.
Texas is starting to open up and, I think,
Ohio, Michigan in some places, so we may
be over up here. But it's very interesting even
from the financial side and the CDC side,
and WHO. They're already kind of laying
the groundwork for a rebound for the
Fall. Have you kind of seen some of this
already?
RP: Yeah, people should start
looking at the real figures being
published by the CDC, for example.
PT: Yes
RP: It's even though they send out
instructions to doctors in making
autopsy or death certificates: If they
didn't know what the cause was, it was
okay to guess: If it seems likely that
they might have died of the virus, to
put that down as the cause of death.
PT: Yes
RP: But even with instructions like that the
actual figures of flu and
coronavirus mortality, they're much less
scary looking at when you look at the
the actual numbers. But
the public warning, some statements, about
wearing masks and so on that really
seems designed to create panic.
PT: Yes, sir. We put it on our Facebook page. I have it
here in front of me. This is a NIH and
CDC as of April 17th since, since
February 1st through---that's two and a
half months---total COVID deaths are 13,000
that's it.
RP: Yeah, and the typical annual flu-like
illness up to 68,000, I think, was their
high year. And this years I think the
total is well under that average flu
deaths.
PT: right so if you go 60,000,
say 65,000, just for fun and divide it by
12 and that gives 5,540 times
2.5 months, which is what
CDC report, right. It's 13850. Wow.
And they say it 13,130. So okay.
RP: Yeah, the mortality is normally higher in
winter in northern countries. And so
about three million people normally die
of all causes during the four months
of flu season and of those a few tens of
thousands died with the flu or because
of the flu. And in the previous years,
they didn't have millions of tests for
the corona virus. But this year they do
have tests for that. But if you look at
the total number of respiratory disease
deaths, the total number is very
moderate but, since they're providing
vast numbers of tests for that
particular virus, it's logical that it
would seem that more people are dying
from that than from the old-fashioned
flu.
PT: Yes, sir. Yeah even so-called enlightened
websites posting things like 30,000
deaths in the United States.
Wow. a big headline this morning: Dr. Fauci, he's
condemning protesters. Second wave fears,
they're already, you know, Or they're
already building for this second wave, so
be cautious stay alert, stay awake, Dr.
Peat. It's an honor to have you here, sir.
Thanks for being here.
RP: Okay, thank you.
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thank you sir.
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