No thyroid gland, can metabolism be supported through environment only?

[A. squamosa]

i had very bad hyperthyroidism that simply wouldn't quit (yes, I had all the symptoms of it, not just going off bloods alone), to be honest i felt pressured into surgical removal of my thyroid by my endocrinologist, but whatever, it's done now

my endo oversees how much synthetic thyroid i take, and it's only t4, not t3

i'm struggling with my weight, my mood, and my motivation - can i support my metabolism through diet/environment, or am i going to have to sneakily sub in t3 do you think?

please don't bother with the 'were you really hyper' questions, yes, i was, and it's moot now cause I don't have a thyroid anymore.

thanks!

 

[Jman]

Never sneak with your health, it's your body not your doctors. It's unnatural to supply your blood with T4 only. The thyroid gland creates 1 part T3 to 3 parts t4. The liver converts the rest of the T4 to active T3 as needed. Without the thyroid glands release of T3 to get the party started, the liver will get bogged down with too much t4, affecting it's ability to create T3. So a viscous cycle ensues.

 

[A. squamosa]

Never sneak with your health, it's your body not your doctors. It's unnatural to supply your blood with T4 only. The thyroid gland creates 1 part T3 to 3 parts t4. The liver converts the rest of the T4 to active T3 as needed. Without the thyroid glands release of T3 to get the party started, the liver will get bogged down with too much t4, affecting it's ability to create T3. So a viscous cycle ensues.

i didn't know that! i thought t3 was only produced in the liver, wow, I am annoyed that my endo did not share this with me - i see you're also located in australia, do you know of a trustworthy T3 source that doesn't take forever to ship here?

i'm in a frustrating position - it's hard to argue with a medical specialist, and of course they took my self-reported symptoms very seriously when I was hyper, but now I am hypo (in symptoms only, my blood show normal range - eye roll), my self reported symptoms are not taken seriously

the other thing to balance is that until my TSH is low enough, I will apparently not get rid of the very occasional heart arrhythmia that comes from my body thinking there is too much thyroid hormone in my system - so they will keep dropping my intake of T4 until my TSH comes up and the heart arrhythmia stops

I wonder if the body thinking there is too much T3 can also cause a suppressed TSH and heart arrhythmia

 

[sunny]

I have no thyroid either. Hyper after pregnancy. The "only thing we can do is RAI". After which the "standard of care" was T4 only. I ended up in the same boat you are, and it will only get worse.

You need to educate yourself. Be your own advocate. Guide your own health. It is not easy at first.

I recommend you immediately print off Ray Peats articles about thyroid. Then start reading on STTM- stop the thyroid madness. That is a huge website with alot of information.

Bottom line, you need T3. It is the active thyroid hormone. T4 is a precursor. The liver converts T4 to T3. It does not do it effectively ad you age, especially in women. Estrogen is a confounding factor.

Good luck, don't give up.

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[-Luke-]

i didn't know that! i thought t3 was only produced in the liver, wow, I am annoyed that my endo did not share this with me - i see you're also located in australia, do you know of a trustworthy T3 source that doesn't take forever to ship here?

i'm in a frustrating position - it's hard to argue with a medical specialist, and of course they took my self-reported symptoms very seriously when I was hyper, but now I am hypo (in symptoms only, my blood show normal range - eye roll), my self reported symptoms are not taken seriously

the other thing to balance is that until my TSH is low enough, I will apparently not get rid of the very occasional heart arrhythmia that comes from my body thinking there is too much thyroid hormone in my system - so they will keep dropping my intake of T4 until my TSH comes up and the heart arrhythmia stops

I wonder if the body thinking there is too much T3 can also cause a suppressed TSH and heart arrhythmia

Could you share the results of the blood test? The normal range is not normal more often than not. Based on the normal range doctors diagnose sick/healthy people as healthy/sick, depending on what suits the pharmaceutical industry at the time. It probably won't matter much for your treatment, since it's impossible to convince doctors of their own stubbornness, but at least you'd have some data for yourself.

I agree with everybody above that you need T3. I don't know how you can get it in Australia, sorry. But there are quite some Australians on this forum who could possibly help.

 

[sunny]

Did they diagnose you with Graves disease or just hyperthyroidism?

 

[sunny]

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An Interview With Dr. Raymond Peat who offers his thoughts about Thyroid Disease | TPAUK
Dr. Ray Peat: Graves’ disease and exophthalmos can occur with hypothyroidism or euthyroidism, as well as with hyperthyroidism. Pregnenolone regulates brain chemistry in a way that prevents excessive production of ACTH and cortisol, and it helps to stabilize mitochondrial metabolism. It apparently acts directly on a variety of tissues to reduce their retention of water. In the last several years, all of the people I have seen who had been diagnosed as “hyperthyroid” have actually been hypothyroid, and benefitted from increasing their thyroid function; some of these people had also been told that they had Graves’ disease.


Thyroid: Therapies, Confusion, and Fraud
The idea that the "free hormone" is the active form has been tested in a few situations, and in the case of the thyroid hormone, it is clearly not true for the brain, and some other organs. The protein-bound hormone is, in these cases, the active form; the associations between the "free hormone" and the biological processes and diseases will be completely false, if they are ignoring the active forms of the hormone in favor of the less active forms. The conclusions will be false, as they are when T4 is measured, and T3 ignored. Thyroid-dependent processes will appear to be independent of the level of thyroid hormone; hypothyroidism could be caller hyperthyroidism.

TSH, temperature, pulse rate, and other indicators in hypothyroidism
Because the actions of T3 can be inhibited by many factors, including polyunsaturated fatty acids, reverse T3, and excess thyroxine, the absolute level of T3 can't be used by itself for diagnosis. “Free T3” or “free T4” is a laboratory concept, and the biological activity of T3 doesn't necessarily correspond to its “freedom” in the test.

 

[Jman]

i didn't know that! i thought t3 was only produced in the liver, wow, I am annoyed that my endo did not share this with me - i see you're also located in australia, do you know of a trustworthy T3 source that doesn't take forever to ship here?

i'm in a frustrating position - it's hard to argue with a medical specialist, and of course they took my self-reported symptoms very seriously when I was hyper, but now I am hypo (in symptoms only, my blood show normal range - eye roll), my self reported symptoms are not taken seriously

the other thing to balance is that until my TSH is low enough, I will apparently not get rid of the very occasional heart arrhythmia that comes from my body thinking there is too much thyroid hormone in my system - so they will keep dropping my intake of T4 until my TSH comes up and the heart arrhythmia stops

I wonder if the body thinking there is too much T3 can also cause a suppressed TSH and heart arrhythmia

I use Cynomel that I buy from farmaciasdelnino.mx . Shipping usually takes 3 or 4 weeks.

Medical specialist are seriously unintelligent individuals. From personal and family experience; most of them are demented NPC's

I agree with sunny's advice, keep learning so you feel comfortable to work on things on your own, using your doctor mostly for for bloodtests.

I'm doubtful that a suppressed TSH in itself could cause arrhythmia, but imbalances like too much t4 with not enough T3 can cause all manner of problems.

 

[A. squamosa]

I use Cynomel that I buy from farmaciasdelnino.mx . Shipping usually takes 3 or 4 weeks.

Medical specialist are seriously unintelligent individuals. From personal and family experience; most of them are demented NPC's

I agree with sunny's advice, keep learning so you feel comfortable to work on things on your own, using your doctor mostly for for bloodtests.

I'm doubtful that a suppressed TSH in itself could cause arrhythmia, but imbalances like too much t4 with not enough T3 can cause all manner of problems.

thank you!

 

[A. squamosa]

Could you share the results of the blood test? The normal range is not normal more often than not. Based on the normal range doctors diagnose sick/healthy people as healthy/sick, depending on what suits the pharmaceutical industry at the time. It probably won't matter much for your treatment, since it's impossible to convince doctors of their own stubbornness, but at least you'd have some data for yourself.

I agree with everybody above that you need T3. I don't know how you can get it in Australia, sorry. But there are quite some Australians on this forum who could possibly help.

yeah i'll try and find it, from memory it was a bit lower than mid-range (in terms of the spectrum doctors advise)

 

[LLight]

Have you tried supplementing iodide to see if you are a bit better?

 

[A. squamosa]

I use Cynomel that I buy from farmaciasdelnino.mx . Shipping usually takes 3 or 4 weeks.

hey, they said they don't ship to Australia - when was the last time you ordered from them? The message i got from them after placing an order:

 

[Jman]

hey, they said they don't ship to Australia - when was the last time you ordered from them? The message i got from them after placing an order:

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Damn. My last order was a year ago. I do remember seeing something about this on a ray peat australia fb group. I think I also remember someone saying that they asked again (perhaps told them they were not worried about the risks?) and they sent the order and there was no problems.