How to explain Australian data on covid outcomes in vaxed vs unvaxed?

hei

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Australia has a very high covid inoculation rate because of the mandates and no pre-existing immunity from the first waves of covid because it was kept out of the country for two years.

The table below came from the following state government publication: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...nts/covid-19-surveillance-report-20220204.pdf

Three or more effective doses
Two effective dosesLess than two effective doses
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
0-9​
-​
-​
-​
0.0%​
15​
54536​
10-19​
0.0%​
0​
232​
0.0%​
5​
54508​
0.0%​
6​
15854​
20-29​
0.0%​
1​
3849​
0.0%​
22​
128000​
0.3%​
7​
2692​
30-39​
0.1%​
2​
3833​
0.0%​
33​
87486​
0.5%​
11​
2123​
40-49​
0.0%​
2​
5125​
0.1%​
38​
64157​
1.2%​
14​
1176​
50-59​
0.1%​
5​
4258​
0.1%​
58​
52112​
3.2%​
22​
687​
60-69​
0.3%​
10​
2911​
0.3%​
106​
31310​
6.4%​
33​
512​
70-79​
0.7%​
15​
2081​
1.3%​
189​
14013​
8.7%​
33​
379​
80-89​
0.8%​
8​
1046​
3.0%​
160​
5373​
17.3%​
40​
231​
>90​
1.6%​
7​
447​
4.9%​
63​
1296​
17.5%​
18​
103​
Total
0.2%
50
23782
0.2%
674
438255
0.3%
199
78293

Currently the totals are thrown out by the large number of children in the unvaccinated columns and to a lesser extent by teenagers who aren't really at risk from covid. But for everyone over 20 it seems pretty clear now that the hospitalisation rate per infection is reduced by about 90-95%.

A 1 in 200 chance of ending up in ICU or dead is actually bad. If some supplement had a 0.5% risk nobody would take it, for sure. 1 in 200 definitely are not dying or being hospitalized from the vaccine. It simply has not happened. There is likewise no evidence of the hypothesised genetic changes.

I personally don't know of anyone who admitted to having side effects from it, apart from one guy who seemed a bit agitated the day after his second dose, took the following day off, and then was seemingly back to normal.

2 doses
>2 doses
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
0-9
100.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
10-19
22.5%​
54.5%​
77.2%​
45.5%​
0.3%​
0.0%​
20-2914%
2.0%​
23.3%​
95.1%​
73.3%​
2.9%​
3.3%​
30-399%
2.3%​
23.9%​
93.6%​
71.7%​
4.1%​
4.3%​
40-497%
1.7%​
25.9%​
91.1%​
70.4%​
7.3%​
3.7%​
50-595%
1.2%​
25.9%​
91.3%​
68.2%​
7.5%​
5.9%​
60-693%
1.5%​
22.1%​
90.1%​
71.1%​
8.4%​
6.7%​
70-791%
2.3%​
13.9%​
85.1%​
79.7%​
12.6%​
6.3%​
80-89<1%
3.5%​
19.2%​
80.8%​
76.9%​
15.7%​
3.8%​
>90<1%
5.6%​
20.5%​
70.2%​
71.6%​
24.2%​
8.0%​

How is the vaccine not reducing serious disease when 2% of the cases in any given age group are making up about 25% of ICU cases and deaths?

The data on state-level vaccinated population by age is rather low quality but it looks like the reverse of the UK data that has been used to claim waning/negative effectiveness. Old people were vaccinated first and the government claims that <1% of them are unvaccinated, and that <1% still has 2-5% of the cases, which is the reverse of the UK "negative efficacy" claim, and 20% of serious disease.

For younger people it's a bit ambiguous -- cases are considerably below their proportion of the population. It has been supposed that they aren't reporting cases, but they had more incentive to report infections or get a PCR test in order to get a temporary vaccine exemption. But even if they caught it at the same rate they would still be overrepresented in serious disease cases.
 

AlaskaJono

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Australia has a very high covid inoculation rate because of the mandates and no pre-existing immunity from the first waves of covid because it was kept out of the country for two years.

The table below came from the following state government publication: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...nts/covid-19-surveillance-report-20220204.pdf

Three or more effective doses
Two effective dosesLess than two effective doses
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
0-9​
-​
-​
-​
0.0%​
15​
54536​
10-19​
0.0%​
0​
232​
0.0%​
5​
54508​
0.0%​
6​
15854​
20-29​
0.0%​
1​
3849​
0.0%​
22​
128000​
0.3%​
7​
2692​
30-39​
0.1%​
2​
3833​
0.0%​
33​
87486​
0.5%​
11​
2123​
40-49​
0.0%​
2​
5125​
0.1%​
38​
64157​
1.2%​
14​
1176​
50-59​
0.1%​
5​
4258​
0.1%​
58​
52112​
3.2%​
22​
687​
60-69​
0.3%​
10​
2911​
0.3%​
106​
31310​
6.4%​
33​
512​
70-79​
0.7%​
15​
2081​
1.3%​
189​
14013​
8.7%​
33​
379​
80-89​
0.8%​
8​
1046​
3.0%​
160​
5373​
17.3%​
40​
231​
>90​
1.6%​
7​
447​
4.9%​
63​
1296​
17.5%​
18​
103​
Total
0.2%
50
23782
0.2%
674
438255
0.3%
199
78293

Currently the totals are thrown out by the large number of children in the unvaccinated columns and to a lesser extent by teenagers who aren't really at risk from covid. But for everyone over 20 it seems pretty clear now that the hospitalisation rate per infection is reduced by about 90-95%.

A 1 in 200 chance of ending up in ICU or dead is actually bad. If some supplement had a 0.5% risk nobody would take it, for sure. 1 in 200 definitely are not dying or being hospitalized from the vaccine. It simply has not happened. There is likewise no evidence of the hypothesised genetic changes.

I personally don't know of anyone who admitted to having side effects from it, apart from one guy who seemed a bit agitated the day after his second dose, took the following day off, and then was seemingly back to normal.

2 doses
>2 doses
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
0-9
100.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
10-19
22.5%​
54.5%​
77.2%​
45.5%​
0.3%​
0.0%​
20-2914%
2.0%​
23.3%​
95.1%​
73.3%​
2.9%​
3.3%​
30-399%
2.3%​
23.9%​
93.6%​
71.7%​
4.1%​
4.3%​
40-497%
1.7%​
25.9%​
91.1%​
70.4%​
7.3%​
3.7%​
50-595%
1.2%​
25.9%​
91.3%​
68.2%​
7.5%​
5.9%​
60-693%
1.5%​
22.1%​
90.1%​
71.1%​
8.4%​
6.7%​
70-791%
2.3%​
13.9%​
85.1%​
79.7%​
12.6%​
6.3%​
80-89<1%
3.5%​
19.2%​
80.8%​
76.9%​
15.7%​
3.8%​
>90<1%
5.6%​
20.5%​
70.2%​
71.6%​
24.2%​
8.0%​

How is the vaccine not reducing serious disease when 2% of the cases in any given age group are making up about 25% of ICU cases and deaths?

The data on state-level vaccinated population by age is rather low quality but it looks like the reverse of the UK data that has been used to claim waning/negative effectiveness. Old people were vaccinated first and the government claims that <1% of them are unvaccinated, and that <1% still has 2-5% of the cases, which is the reverse of the UK "negative efficacy" claim, and 20% of serious disease.

For younger people it's a bit ambiguous -- cases are considerably below their proportion of the population. It has been supposed that they aren't reporting cases, but they had more incentive to report infections or get a PCR test in order to get a temporary vaccine exemption. But even if they caught it at the same rate they would still be overrepresented in serious disease cases.
I know lots of folks who had mild to strong side effects, including death. I live in Australia and I can tell you that honestly. If you watch TV, or listen to the ABC, or SBS, or 9 or 7, it is not worth wasting your time on. Also, we are way behind the Brits as far as Vax speed, I know folks where I live who recvd the vax as soon as possible because of work - i.e. policewomen and health caregivers, and they had them (1st Jab) in March 2021. And heart murmurs, and issues and short hospitalizations, etc. . So check out other sources is my recommendation. Most doctors do not report ANY side effects (if they want to keep their licence and continue working and making money). Full Stop.
 
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hei

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I don't watch TV. It looks like there is not a lot of excess mortality since the vaccine rollout? The vaccinations were still going strong through the end part of that graph, so at worst if it were somehow associated with the excess mortality at the beginning (which appears to have actually continued since 2020) maybe they figured out how to treat it?
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Meanwhile I haven't worked in months and can't really do much else and frankly that is feeling way more detrimental than the risk from the vaccinations.
 

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Australia has a very high covid inoculation rate because of the mandates and no pre-existing immunity from the first waves of covid because it was kept out of the country for two years.

The table below came from the following state government publication: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...nts/covid-19-surveillance-report-20220204.pdf

Three or more effective doses
Two effective dosesLess than two effective doses
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
0-9​
-​
-​
-​
0.0%​
15​
54536​
10-19​
0.0%​
0​
232​
0.0%​
5​
54508​
0.0%​
6​
15854​
20-29​
0.0%​
1​
3849​
0.0%​
22​
128000​
0.3%​
7​
2692​
30-39​
0.1%​
2​
3833​
0.0%​
33​
87486​
0.5%​
11​
2123​
40-49​
0.0%​
2​
5125​
0.1%​
38​
64157​
1.2%​
14​
1176​
50-59​
0.1%​
5​
4258​
0.1%​
58​
52112​
3.2%​
22​
687​
60-69​
0.3%​
10​
2911​
0.3%​
106​
31310​
6.4%​
33​
512​
70-79​
0.7%​
15​
2081​
1.3%​
189​
14013​
8.7%​
33​
379​
80-89​
0.8%​
8​
1046​
3.0%​
160​
5373​
17.3%​
40​
231​
>90​
1.6%​
7​
447​
4.9%​
63​
1296​
17.5%​
18​
103​
Total
0.2%
50
23782
0.2%
674
438255
0.3%
199
78293

Currently the totals are thrown out by the large number of children in the unvaccinated columns and to a lesser extent by teenagers who aren't really at risk from covid. But for everyone over 20 it seems pretty clear now that the hospitalisation rate per infection is reduced by about 90-95%.

A 1 in 200 chance of ending up in ICU or dead is actually bad. If some supplement had a 0.5% risk nobody would take it, for sure. 1 in 200 definitely are not dying or being hospitalized from the vaccine. It simply has not happened. There is likewise no evidence of the hypothesised genetic changes.

I personally don't know of anyone who admitted to having side effects from it, apart from one guy who seemed a bit agitated the day after his second dose, took the following day off, and then was seemingly back to normal.

2 doses
>2 doses
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
0-9
100.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
10-19
22.5%​
54.5%​
77.2%​
45.5%​
0.3%​
0.0%​
20-2914%
2.0%​
23.3%​
95.1%​
73.3%​
2.9%​
3.3%​
30-399%
2.3%​
23.9%​
93.6%​
71.7%​
4.1%​
4.3%​
40-497%
1.7%​
25.9%​
91.1%​
70.4%​
7.3%​
3.7%​
50-595%
1.2%​
25.9%​
91.3%​
68.2%​
7.5%​
5.9%​
60-693%
1.5%​
22.1%​
90.1%​
71.1%​
8.4%​
6.7%​
70-791%
2.3%​
13.9%​
85.1%​
79.7%​
12.6%​
6.3%​
80-89<1%
3.5%​
19.2%​
80.8%​
76.9%​
15.7%​
3.8%​
>90<1%
5.6%​
20.5%​
70.2%​
71.6%​
24.2%​
8.0%​

How is the vaccine not reducing serious disease when 2% of the cases in any given age group are making up about 25% of ICU cases and deaths?

The data on state-level vaccinated population by age is rather low quality but it looks like the reverse of the UK data that has been used to claim waning/negative effectiveness. Old people were vaccinated first and the government claims that <1% of them are unvaccinated, and that <1% still has 2-5% of the cases, which is the reverse of the UK "negative efficacy" claim, and 20% of serious disease.

For younger people it's a bit ambiguous -- cases are considerably below their proportion of the population. It has been supposed that they aren't reporting cases, but they had more incentive to report infections or get a PCR test in order to get a temporary vaccine exemption. But even if they caught it at the same rate they would still be overrepresented in serious disease cases.

What about Table 5 from that same document? If I am reading this correctly, there is 200% increase in ICU/death rates between unvaxxed and 1-dose vaxxed, and >200% increase in hospitalizations across the same groups. In fact, according to Table 5 below, the unvaxxed have the lowest hospitalization rate. Also, the data in this table suggests that >80% of the COVID-19 patients hospitalized, in ICU, or dying in the hospital have at least one shot/jab.
That alone can explain the death curve you also included and yes, it matches the timeline of the vaccine rollout. Sure, after taking the 2nd and 3rd dose the ICU/death rates come down to 0.1%, but it is the same rate as the unvaxxed. So, why bother at all with the vaxx, especially if after the first shot the risk of ICU/death rises a lot??
table5.png


Speaking about bothering with the vax - the general rate of severe cases in the unvaxxed was 0.3% (the first table in your post). That rate in the partially and fully vaxxed was 0.2%. Are you saying the open fascism, tyranny, semi-forced vaccinations and generally psychotic behavior on part of the Australian government is justified to achieve a pathetic 0.1% reduction of severe cases from a disease with a case fatality rate (CFR) for Australia of an already tiny flu-level 0.1% (Table 7 in your link)??
@AlaskaJono
 
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tankasnowgod

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Australia has a very high covid inoculation rate because of the mandates and no pre-existing immunity from the first waves of covid because it was kept out of the country for two years.
For this to be true (and assuming this "Novel Corona Virus" exists), you have to make several assumptions.

1. That exposure to other, non-novel corona viruses don't provide pre-existing immunity.
2. That SARS-Cov-2 was "discovered" in the very first human it ever infected.
3. That you can somehow keep a virus out of a country simply by not testing for it.

If the third assumption is true, we should just stop testing for it and boom, pandemic over.
The table below came from the following state government publication: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...nts/covid-19-surveillance-report-20220204.pdf

Three or more effective doses
Two effective dosesLess than two effective doses
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
% severe
Severe
Total
0-9​
-​
-​
-​
0.0%​
15​
54536​
10-19​
0.0%​
0​
232​
0.0%​
5​
54508​
0.0%​
6​
15854​
20-29​
0.0%​
1​
3849​
0.0%​
22​
128000​
0.3%​
7​
2692​
30-39​
0.1%​
2​
3833​
0.0%​
33​
87486​
0.5%​
11​
2123​
40-49​
0.0%​
2​
5125​
0.1%​
38​
64157​
1.2%​
14​
1176​
50-59​
0.1%​
5​
4258​
0.1%​
58​
52112​
3.2%​
22​
687​
60-69​
0.3%​
10​
2911​
0.3%​
106​
31310​
6.4%​
33​
512​
70-79​
0.7%​
15​
2081​
1.3%​
189​
14013​
8.7%​
33​
379​
80-89​
0.8%​
8​
1046​
3.0%​
160​
5373​
17.3%​
40​
231​
>90​
1.6%​
7​
447​
4.9%​
63​
1296​
17.5%​
18​
103​
Total
0.2%
50
23782
0.2%
674
438255
0.3%
199
78293

Currently the totals are thrown out by the large number of children in the unvaccinated columns and to a lesser extent by teenagers who aren't really at risk from covid. But for everyone over 20 it seems pretty clear now that the hospitalisation rate per infection is reduced by about 90-95%.
Based on what, exactly? Even the table you posted doesn't suggest a Relative Risk Reduction that high in the vaxxed. Even in those in the 80-89 group, it's only a RRR of 14.3%. The Absolute Risk Reduction would be even smaller, since it would take the entire population into account.
A 1 in 200 chance of ending up in ICU or dead is actually bad.
Based on what criteria and what timeline? As Tyler Durden said, on a long enough timeline, we are all dead.

And how is it 1 in 200? There are only 199 people listed as "serious" in the "less than 2 doses" column. Are only 39,800 Austrailians (in a country of 26 Million) unvaxxed?

Although this Graph from Reuters suggests (apparently seriously) that 101.6% of the Austrailian population is vaccinated-


Vaccination​

Australia has administered at least 51,533,463 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 101.6% of the country’s population.
If some supplement had a 0.5% risk nobody would take it, for sure.
Are you comparing taking a supplement to NOT taking dangerous and poorly tested drugs?

And based on people's behavior, this isn't even true. Smoking apparently gives you a 10% chance of Lung Cancer, and many people still buy cigarettes.
1 in 200 definitely are not dying or being hospitalized from the vaccine. It simply has not happened. There is likewise no evidence of the hypothesised genetic changes.
So what? These drugs are still poorly tested, dangerous, have zero liability for the manufacturer, and only claim to have a 1.3% Absolute Risk Reduction (or less) of reducing mild symptoms of so called "Covid." They were never tested to see if they could reduce hospitalizations or deaths, not in a well controlled study.
I personally don't know of anyone who admitted to having side effects from it, apart from one guy who seemed a bit agitated the day after his second dose, took the following day off, and then was seemingly back to normal.

2 doses
>2 doses
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
% of cases
% of severe cases
0-9
100.0%​
100.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
0.0%​
10-19
22.5%​
54.5%​
77.2%​
45.5%​
0.3%​
0.0%​
20-2914%
2.0%​
23.3%​
95.1%​
73.3%​
2.9%​
3.3%​
30-399%
2.3%​
23.9%​
93.6%​
71.7%​
4.1%​
4.3%​
40-497%
1.7%​
25.9%​
91.1%​
70.4%​
7.3%​
3.7%​
50-595%
1.2%​
25.9%​
91.3%​
68.2%​
7.5%​
5.9%​
60-693%
1.5%​
22.1%​
90.1%​
71.1%​
8.4%​
6.7%​
70-791%
2.3%​
13.9%​
85.1%​
79.7%​
12.6%​
6.3%​
80-89<1%
3.5%​
19.2%​
80.8%​
76.9%​
15.7%​
3.8%​
>90<1%
5.6%​
20.5%​
70.2%​
71.6%​
24.2%​
8.0%​

How is the vaccine not reducing serious disease when 2% of the cases in any given age group are making up about 25% of ICU cases and deaths?
Because it's not. It was not designed to do this, it wasn't tested to do this. And none of the data you posted suggest this. How does 75% of ICU and Death cases among the vaxxed indicate that it is? This is all based on haphazard testing of the population.

And, of course, this is assuming that the data is in any way reliable, which we know it isn't. You can be 84 years old and have cancer and parkinsons, and still be listed a COVID death. Just go look up the news articles on Colin Powell for proof of this. All countries seem to running with very loose criteria to classify anyone and anything (even animals) as having so called "Covid."



If there really is a "Novel Corona Virus" running around out there, there are still many infections out there that aren't being detected, mostly mild cases.
 

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So if that's the case then no effective dose actually would include those dosed 0-13 days after one dose
This would be a good example of how they could skew the numbers. Most vaccine injuries/side effects are going to manifest in this period (and really, since it would be 14 days after the SECOND dose, it's really a 0-41 day period). Since many of the listed Vaccine side effects overlap with "Covid Symptoms" (like nausea, pain, swelling, tiredness, chills, fever), they could easily be rebranded as so called "Coivd." Jon Rappoport has even reported that the mRNA in the so called "Vaccine" is more likely to trigger a positive PCR test (how convenient), so a lot of the vax sides could go down as "unvaxxed covid."
 

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I don't watch TV. It looks like there is not a lot of excess mortality since the vaccine rollout?
There hasn't been a lot of excess mortality since the discovery of Covid, either. There is no pandemic.

And while reports to systems like VAERS show these are easily the deadliest so called "Vaccines" of all time, the vast majority of the vaxxed don't seem to be dropping dead as some people predicted, eg, 60 Million vaxxed Americans didn't drop dead this winter.
Meanwhile I haven't worked in months and can't really do much else and frankly that is feeling way more detrimental than the risk from the vaccinations.
Why do you think the vaccine will protect you from desperation, depression, and tyranny? Those things were clearly never tested in the trials.
 

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What about Table 5 from that same document? If I am reading this correctly, there is 200% increase in ICU/death rates between unvaxxed and 1-dose vaxxed, and >200% increase in hospitalizations across the same groups. In fact, according to Table 5 below, the unvaxxed have the lowest hospitalization rate. Also, the data in this table suggests that >80% of the COVID-19 patients hospitalized, in ICU, or dying in the hospital have at least one shot/jab.
That alone can explain the death curve you also included and yes, it matches the timeline of the vaccine rollout. Sure, after taking the 2nd and 3rd dose the ICU/death rates come down to 0.1%, but it is the same rate as the unvaxxed. So, why bother at all with the vaxx, especially if after the first shot the risk of ICU/death rises a lot??
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Speaking about bothering with the vax - the general rate of severe cases in the unvaxxed was 0.3% (the first table in your post). That rate in the partially and fully vaxxed was 0.2%. Are you saying the open fascism, tyranny, semi-forced vaccinations and generally psychotic behavior on part of the Australian government is justified to achieve a pathetic 0.1% reduction of severe cases from a disease with a case fatality rate (CFR) for Australia of an already tiny flu-level 0.1% (Table 7 in your link)??
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Great post @haidut

One important thing to note that is distorting the data.

In Australia, your "Vaccination Status" is not updated until 14 days after you have had the jab! (The same as USA)

Have a look at page 5...

Therefore this is causing 2 problems in the statistics:
- Makes "Fully Vaccinated" perform better if people die/hospitalisations within 14 days.
- Makes the previous injected group (eg. "Not Boosted") perform worse if they are vaxxed but die/hospitalisations within 14 days.

I would love to see the statistics if this 14 day delayed reporting was removed and instead status was updated as soon as you were jabbed.
 

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Great post @haidut

One important thing to note that is distorting the data.

In Australia, your "Vaccination Status" is not updated until 14 days after you have had the jab! (The same as USA)

Have a look at page 5...

Therefore this is causing 2 problems in the statistics:
- Makes "Fully Vaccinated" perform better if people die/hospitalisations within 14 days.
- Makes the previous injected group (eg. "Not Boosted") perform worse if they are vaxxed but die/hospitalisations within 14 days.

I would love to see the statistics if this 14 day delayed reporting was removed and instead status was updated as soon as you were jabbed.

You are right, thanks,
I did not think of the deliberate changes in vaxxed definition to make the vaxxed groups look better. I doubt stats without the delay will ever be released. I have not seen a single study without at least some (14 or more day) delay. There is also the issue that CDC (in US) still has not released final mortality stats for 2020 and 2021, which makes legit studies hard to publish as the govt data on vaccines and mortality is either missing or mostly a work of fiction (also known as a "model"). However, even their massaged data releases cannot hide the vaccine failures. WHO also refuses to release final mortality data for 2020 and 2021 for virtually all member-countries, claiming it is waiting on those member countries to provide the data. Well, then who/what are those countries waiting for themselves, and how come all of them, simultaneously, do not have final mortality data specifically for those 2 years? All we have so far on the COVID-19 "pandemic" is the model-based "excess mortality" and unofficial total mortality numbers, with the CDC/WHO saying both of those will likely change in the future. How can suddenly govt agencies not be (reasonably) sure how many people died in a span of just 2 years? Either those agencies are lying about those 2 years, or the data published so far for all other other years is also suspect, which throws the entire mortality stats business into chaos.
Anyways, until we have the final hard mortality numbers published and/or the Pfizer trial data the judge compelled Pfizer to release (and FDA fought to keep secret), we won't have a smoking gun on vaccine risks. I suspect that this is why other "distractions", like war with Russia, are being pushed on media as the expectation is that neither one of those pieces of information we are waiting on will show anything good for the pharma companies, the govt, or even the medical "experts" who watch over our health.
 

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What about Table 5 from that same document? If I am reading this correctly, there is 200% increase in ICU/death rates between unvaxxed and 1-dose vaxxed, and >200% increase in hospitalizations across the same groups. In fact, according to Table 5 below, the unvaxxed have the lowest hospitalization rate. Also, the data in this table suggests that >80% of the COVID-19 patients hospitalized, in ICU, or dying in the hospital have at least one shot/jab.
That alone can explain the death curve you also included and yes, it matches the timeline of the vaccine rollout. Sure, after taking the 2nd and 3rd dose the ICU/death rates come down to 0.1%, but it is the same rate as the unvaxxed. So, why bother at all with the vaxx, especially if after the first shot the risk of ICU/death rises a lot??
View attachment 33330

Speaking about bothering with the vax - the general rate of severe cases in the unvaxxed was 0.3% (the first table in your post). That rate in the partially and fully vaxxed was 0.2%. Are you saying the open fascism, tyranny, semi-forced vaccinations and generally psychotic behavior on part of the Australian government is justified to achieve a pathetic 0.1% reduction of severe cases from a disease with a case fatality rate (CFR) for Australia of an already tiny flu-level 0.1% (Table 7 in your link)??
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right on!!!
 

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You are right, thanks,
I did not think of the deliberate changes in vaxxed definition to make the vaxxed groups look better. I doubt stats without the delay will ever be released. I have not seen a single study without at least some (14 or more day) delay. There is also the issue that CDC (in US) still has not released final mortality stats for 2020 and 2021, which makes legit studies hard to publish as the govt data on vaccines and mortality is either missing or mostly a work of fiction (also known as a "model"). However, even their massaged data releases cannot hide the vaccine failures. WHO also refuses to release final mortality data for 2020 and 2021 for virtually all member-countries, claiming it is waiting on those member countries to provide the data. Well, then who/what are those countries waiting for themselves, and how come all of them, simultaneously, do not have final mortality data specifically for those 2 years? All we have so far on the COVID-19 "pandemic" is the model-based "excess mortality" and unofficial total mortality numbers, with the CDC/WHO saying both of those will likely change in the future. How can suddenly govt agencies not be (reasonably) sure how many people died in a span of just 2 years? Either those agencies are lying about those 2 years, or the data published so far for all other other years is also suspect, which throws the entire mortality stats business into chaos.
Anyways, until we have the final hard mortality numbers published and/or the Pfizer trial data the judge compelled Pfizer to release (and FDA fought to keep secret), we won't have a smoking gun on vaccine risks. I suspect that this is why other "distractions", like war with Russia, are being pushed on media as the expectation is that neither one of those pieces of information we are waiting on will show anything good for the pharma companies, the govt, or even the medical "experts" who watch over our health.
Right On Haidut. Excellent breakdown. I hesitated to originally even answer the OP Hei as I could not understand his point of view from a logical perspective, AND I am not a stats guy normally. And with these current styles of reporting or not reporting and shenanigans with manipulation of numbers - ie the Unvaxxed Category including jabbed but under 14 days (or even under 28 days for the first year of the "Thing"), It seems like Gov'ts will report anything to confound and confuse the public, and obfuscate the general accepted stats that the unvaxxed are just doing fine.

Also many folks here did NOT go to the hospital for 'normal procedures and treatment' pertaining to existing conditions like cancer or heart issues etc. because they were afraid of the "Thing" and the News has the fear porn and "Hospitals" are overrun scenario like many countries. I am in Tasmania, and there was already a shortage of doctors and nurses pre-pandemic, AND near the end of 2019 this state gov't was proud of the fact that they saved $100M by not investing in infrastructure like Hospitals and Roads. (where did the money go I wonder?)

All cause mortality as a stat seems more important than ever, because there are already strokes/cancer/kidney issues/MyoCardi Infarction etc. on the rise. Increase in car accidents I am sure will be on the rise. Several friends (around 70 years old) here took the "Thing" in March 2021 as they bought the kool aid. Then were Double jabbed some months later, and then in early Dec. 2021 were boosted as they wanted to be safe and do interstate travel, protect loved ones before XMAS etc.… I am keeping tabs on them as they are seemingly healthy and active and both on thyroid. Maybe during this year we will see similar patterns to UK etc.
 

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This would be a good example of how they could skew the numbers. Most vaccine injuries/side effects are going to manifest in this period (and really, since it would be 14 days after the SECOND dose, it's really a 0-41 day period). Since many of the listed Vaccine side effects overlap with "Covid Symptoms" (like nausea, pain, swelling, tiredness, chills, fever), they could easily be rebranded as so called "Coivd." Jon Rappoport has even reported that the mRNA in the so called "Vaccine" is more likely to trigger a positive PCR test (how convenient), so a lot of the vax sides could go down as "unvaxxed covid."
Totally agree... The "Recently Jabbed" will always make the UnJabbed look bad, by chucking their Adverse Reactions n death in with nonbelievers.
 
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