RP Email Advice Comment: Lidocaine For Bowel Complaints

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  1. goodandevil

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    See warnings: LIDOCAINE HYDROCHLORIDE ORAL TOPICAL SOLUTION, USP 2% (VISCOUS)

    Usual adult dose is one tablespoon. don't eat until the lidocaine has worn off.

    I:" I have burning eyes, burning throat and sinus cavity, etc. Definitely related to gut."

    Ray:"Years ago I swallowed a sip of 2% lidocaine gel, and within a few minutes felt something changing in my intestine, and from then on, without any more lidocaine, some of my bowel symptoms were gone."

    I: "Excellent! I just happen to have some on hand. Epigenetic?"

    Ray: "I think that must be it, for the improvement to be so stable."

     
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    For the people looking for OTC alternative - in the US pharmacies like CVS and RiteAid sell mouth numbing gels for tooth pain. They contain either lidocaine or benzocaine. Rubbing it on the gums does achieve systemic absorption, albeit low compared to ingesting a teaspoon of it directly. Going to the dentist also tends to give you anesthesia administered through injection that one definitely elevates systemic circulation. So, just going for your 6-mont checkup (as most people seem to do) will give you a decent dose of one or more of the *caines.
     
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    I used to work with a guy who would drink 4-5ml vials of liquid lidocaine made for injection to relieve his gerd.
     
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    Have you tried the lidocaine yet? Any improvement?
     
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    Thanks Haidut. I told my doctor I had cold sores from my "IBS". I guess people with chron's can frequently struggle with apthous ulcers so I went that route. Worked like a charm except now he thinks I have herpes, or "the herps" as I call it. The OTC preparations probably taste better.
     
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    I did try a teaspoon, and I did notice some intestinal changes. i had a severe atrophy of lower abdominal and pelvic muscle which i've recently addressed with the miracle of the Ab Roller. I think the muscle atrophy has been my main problem but the lidocaine may've helped and i've got another tube to try again soon. I'm also trying it on some strange scar/plaques i've had that never seem to dissapear.
     
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    Glad you're seeing some improvement! You said in another thread you're in a sjogren like state? Like dry mouth etc? Did the lidocaine help that at all?
     
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    I wish i could say for certain. Either it or new muscle hypertrophy is helping. for example i had quite visible and alarming spiderwebs of veins become visible in tbe palm of my hand, always, bjt especially surrounding temporally bowel movements. that has finally started to clear. i do feel as though the lidocaine helped, the degree to which it helped is confouded. it's definitely a strange sensation but i do feel kt's helped and will soon use it again. i believe it's an acetylation or deacetylation agent, thus it's epigenetic effects, @haidut probably knows more than I about the exact epigenetic mechanism. sorry i can't provide a more definitive answer but since ige used it thkngs have improved.
     
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    @haidut Apparently local anaesthetics usually are a mixture of lidocaine and epinephrine.

    If thats true, do you think that is ok?

    It for sure can reduce lidocaine's systemic absorption.
     
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    The epinephrine is there to prolong its half-life. I don't think it has an effect on absorption. While having extra epinephrine is not ideal I doubt that in the amount you gets it and only 2-3 times a year it negates the benefits of lidocaine. The OTC mouth ointments sold in pharmacies don't have epinephrine AFAIK.
     
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    I don't understand this. How could the bowel problem be epigenetic? Why would an anaesthetic fix it? Could anyone out there explain?
     
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    i see.

    i just read that they add epinephrine as a vasoconstrictor, so lidocaine stays in topical area and not spreading into blood stream.it says it prolongs lidocaine presence in applied area.

    and lidocaine itself is a vasodilator.

    @haidut you mentioned 2-3 time a year, more than that can have bad effects or its just enough?
     
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    I just mentioned it as an alternative to OTC mouth gels. Given that Peat experience such relief with just 1 try and reported on others experiencing similar relief I thought it would be relevant. Don't know how much would be enough or too much. If it works similarly to LDN, Ray says using for 2-3 days is enough (if it is going to have any effect at all) so the same is probably true of lidocaine. It is a restructuring chemical, and unlike vitamins that are needed in constant supply, this one probably is meant for sporadic use.
     
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    I have been looking for Lidocaine to give it a try. Have not been able to find a source. Anyone know of one?

    I found this:
    ALOE GEL W/ LIDOCAINE

    But it is a very small amount of lidocaine. It seems most lidocaines that have any strength do not look that edible.
     
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    I think mexmeds4u has it, or that farmaciadelnino place. i told my doctor i wanted it for cold sores.
     
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    Do you know of a non prescription form of it? It seems you can get it over the counter...
     
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    Thet might even hold it beind the counter like sulfur and give it out, not sure. sorry i dont have any other guesses. it's been pretty easy in my experience to get from a croaker
     
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    Thanks, just hate going to them.
     
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    I know me too. i just treat them poorly =)
     
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    I just sent a request in on their big brother brother webpage
     
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