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Perhaps. I like the "AI" they made. It's IMHO just a huge copy-paste machine and it's great for menial mental work. Like machines are great for menial physical labour.
You are overstating the case. AI is a bezzle, it is not yet quite as valuable as it ll very useful. There are people working 5+ six figure jobs at a time using AI, because those paper pushing jobs require very little actual intelligence.
foreignpolicy.com
www.defenseone.com
www.cnas.org
It's a good point, and I'm don't quite agree.Unfortunately, that "AI" is being used by govt officials are an "oracle" of sorts to devise all sorts of political and economic policies, including planning/driving the war in Ukraine..and soon also in Gaza and any other war the West is involved in. And since the people in power usually blindly trust this "AI" vastly outperforms humans on such strategic planning tasks, the potential for massive mistakes and even global war cannot be underestimated. Most of the people in charge do not understand "AI". To them it is not simply a copy/paste machine, but a cyber "God" - millions times "smarter" than humans when it comes to planning/running a war. Can't say I am surprised, it was bound to happen, considering the inverse correlation between IQ and govt/corporate ladder. It may explain why we still have not seen peace in Ukraine despite the obvious trend/outcome of the military activities so far, but instead we keep seeing more and more truly insane escalations. Sounds like something a politically-trained, schizo-hallucinating, reality-detached "AI" would recommend.
AI Has Entered the Situation Room
Data lets us see with unprecedented clarity—but reaping its benefits requires changing how foreign policy is made.AI Is Already Learning from Russia’s War in Ukraine, DOD Says
Today’s battlefield data is helping smart machines model the wars of the future.Roles and Implications of AI in the Russian-Ukrainian Conflict
Developing strong, pragmatic and principled national security and defense policies.@gd81
Ukraine Is Using Highly Advanced Artificial Intelligence In Its War With Russia: It's "Out Of This World"
Artificial intelligence is showing up all over the place. And now, Ukraine is using it in its war against Russia. Ukraine has successfully engineered and deployed its unique artificial intelligence (AI) platforms. Brett Velicovich, a Fox News contributor in Ukraine, reported that the innovation...finance.yahoo.com
gaiusbaltar.substack.com
That is a phenomenal article. Many of the points the author raises I have suspected were an issue in western society, specifically in the UK where I have lived most of my life. I'm grateful that someone laid out the points in writing and backed them up with stats.It's a good point, and I'm don't quite agree.
Iraq and Afghanistan wars were strategic and geopolitical disasters. Our masters are only competent in climbing hierarchy, and have gotten ever more incompetent in actually accomplishing anything else. AI has at most accelerated this development. It may even end up counteracting it, as it allows the average person to speed up menial mental tasks, something that used to be the primary claim to expert authority.
In fact I would argue that to successfully navigating the real world, as opposed to the social world of the hierarchy, requires a commitment to truth. And such a commitment makes a person a threat all those whose power is built on lies and social climbing.
I recently read a discussion on the "retardpill" in which people claimed that acting stupid both made their jobs easier, and got them promotions and raises. It kind of makes sense. In a degenerate hierarchy no one ever allow you or I near any position of influence. We could not be trusted. What they need are those who are reflexively obedient. Janet Yellen is said to have been just like that, a highly obedient dimwit.
The people on top are certainly high IQ. But their IQ is aimed at curating the people around them and navigating the social environment.
USSR is likely to have been like this at the end, at least in the political domain. People were allegedly picked mostly for obedience and the few independent thinkers were there to loot the system.
This however did not extend to all domains. Soviet technology and military were very capable, and there are domains in which the west does seem to maintain an edge. AI and IT being competent domains.
I don't find the Naked Capitalism discussion on this rn, but I found this one. IQ stuff seems bs but it's a thought out view.
WHY IS THE WEST SO WEAK (AND RUSSIA SO STRONG)?
THE ROLE OF HUMAN CAPITAL AND WESTERN EDUCATION
It seems to be a common thing in hierarchy that it degrades. And it's happened in a similar way with Rome, and China and apparently all of them. I don't see AI as significant in this pattern.
www.theverge.com
I want to say I greatly appreciate your posting, and I do not mean to to insult you here. I also find the article I posted a bit suspect, but this is a tough topic and it was the one decent article I read I could find on my phone.So...you don't think "AI" is actually the perfect, INcompetent, super-ideological, irrational, reality-deprived character the article you shared describes as the reason for the downfall of the West, as well as even the war in Ukraine? There is little reason to doubt that if the current "amateur" (read: humanoid) incompetent ideologues have managed to basically destroy the West, the supersized version of the same behavior as seen in "AI" will do much, much more damage. After all, who trains that "AI" and on what material? We have already seen that the available "AI" models are anything but objective and intelligent (i.e. the 1.5/8 group in the article). In fact, they are openly malicious and gaslight with unparalleled ease, and quickly start even threatening the prompter if taunted.
Microsoft’s Bing is an emotionally manipulative liar, and people love it
Bing’s acting unhinged, and lots of people love it.Microsoft AI chatbot threatens to expose personal info and ruin a user's reputation
A Microsoft Bing AI user shared a threatening exchanged with the chatbot, which threatened to expose personal information and ruin his reputation.www.foxbusiness.com
Yeah, I feel very reassured that this thing will counteract the competence collapse in the West or will devise successful strategies on geopolitical matters. /s
With that level of incompetence, as the article you shared describes, and the inverse correlation between IQ and power, it is virtually guaranteed that "AI" already is being widely used to run things in the West, especially for the further demoralization/suppression of the 1.5/8 group.
"...The best way to suppress a rational person is to subject him to an existence of total and constant irrationality. It is essentially gaslighting on a civilizational scale, directed at the dangerous rational group."
The above sounds like the perfect task for the "AI", no? Especially online, where most of the 1.5/8 group gets its information these days. And assuming "AI" is now being consulted on matters potentially related to global nuclear war or even to just run Western society, it is seems pretty obvious (at least to me) how this ends. Even the article echoes that outcome:
"...By putting its societies on an ideological footing the western elite has backed itself into a corner. They can’t compete; they can’t develop their economies or societies; and they can’t go back. Fixing the problems of the West will require an economic revival, where a real economy will replace the current fake financialized service economy. This cannot be done without putting the hated 1.5/8 group into positions of power. Therefore, it will not be done as long as the current western ruling class is in power. Western societies will not survive an economic revival in their current ideological configuration. Conflict is therefore the only remaining option for the ruling class to hang on to power."
Do you still think the Ukraine war has any other realistic end except the complete destruction of Ukraine, followed by nuclear war with Russia? Do you still think it is not yet time or appropriate for the common person on the street to panic (as we discussed several times before) as the only tool left to push them to act?
Ukraine is not that big and does not matter that much. Out elites don't care about the West, just look at their actions. Iraq war, Afghan war, the 2008 banking collapse, mass unemployment etc.
I stand corrected. I meant and should have written it won't be that big once Russia is done with it. When it became independent it had roughly the economic and population of France. It's likely to resemble Moldova more than France in a few years.
aurelien2022.substack.com
Agreed with most of what you said, but I don't think the collapse will take decades. The financial system can't and won't survive that long. In fact, we already saw its existential collapse in 2019 (just before COVID) and again in early 2023 with the bank failures and their fake "mergers" in both US and Europe (CreditSuisse). The only thing that saved it (actually, revived temporarily is a better term) was the money printing, but now with interest rates that high it is not an option any more. Lowering rates is also not an option any more. Looting other countries is also not an option any more after the world saw that, with the exception of nuclear weapons, the West/NATO is a paper tiger, and the demographics of the West (as you said) seal the economic fate of that region. So, a reset to a much more controlled currency (CBDC) is the only option to sustain the fraud, and with CBDC you can bet the Internet and access to AI can and will be censored. It's already being implemented, at least in the EU.
Eurosystem proceeds to next phase of digital euro project
The European Central Bank (ECB) is the central bank of the European Union countries which have adopted the euro. Our main task is to maintain price stability in the euro area and so preserve the purchasing power of the single currency.www.ecb.europa.eu
I think the 2008/2009 crisis was the sign that the West is past the edge of the cliff, COVID-19 was the act of pointing the West downwards towards the abyss, the Ukraine war was what slammed on the gas pedal, and I suspect the Middle East war (if it spreads) would be the act of splashing on the ground. As Lenin used to say, there are decades when nothing happens followed by weeks when decades happen. To me at least, it is clear the West is in the latter stage, and people being ignorant and worshiping idiotic elite as if they were "wise sages" won't prevent/delay the reckoning any more.
But back to Ukraine - do you think Poland will annex/absorb Western Ukraine or will the latter just stay as a dysfunctional and depopulated wasteland? Can't see the latter lasting long before triggering some other conflict within Europe, possibly among the neighbors of what used to be Ukraine.
