"The Penis Is The Male Animal-flower, A Soft-firm Dildo. "

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"Gaining the social, economic, cultural, intellectual, and sexual rights of men will not liberate anyone, because these rights and roles are where the ugliness of maleness is. It is not the penis that is fascistic, domineering, exploitive, corrupting. The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo, a warm dream." -Raymond Peat, PhD

Danny Roddy has this up on his Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/dannyroddy

Does anybody know where it comes from?
One of the commenters seems to indicate it is from one of Peat's books...?
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

:eek :studying
 
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He could make a career out of selling erotic books lol.

And the first part of the quote is so wrong. Dr. Warren Farrell takes up alot of the male issues of today in the western world. A book I really recommend for all men is "The myth of Male power".
 
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i don't even know what animal flower is supposed to mean.
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

I did find this commentary on the "180 Degree Health" web-blog,
http://180degreehealth.com/2011/05/ray-peat-ideology-and-philosophy

It would seem to say that the quote comes from Peat's early book "Nutrition for Women."

If you read the whole blog and commentary,
it also seems that a poster with the handle "Grassfed Mama,"
tries to claim that the quote was from a personal email to her/him from Peat,
which the poster below, "I love Jello-o" would seem to be debunking....

I love Jello-o May 29, 2011

I didn't find the penis flower quote creepy in context – he was making a poetic point.

It's in "Nutrition for Women" (which, by the way, contains dietary advice that in some ways differs from what he recommends now. The book is old!)

I like the points he makes when I observe how things are going today, years after he wrote what I copied below, because I see that many 'modern' women behave atrociously toward men and get away with it with the pretense of being liberated, rivaling the men they speak out against in terms of dominant behaviour. I'll bet excess estrogen is a contributor, making things far worse.

But he was writing the below years ago, and women aren't so worried any more, many of them are taking over the former male power position that they claim they abhor.

"Men, out of touch with their energies and natural desires and dreams, have kept women in chains. Passive and weak, women have kept to themselves the wholeness and richness of their experience.

Reasoning and competing men have believed that they possessed women, but the centered and prolific human female world was overlooked by the greedy devouring male, who took part of her existance and believed he had taken it all.

Wishing to be liberated, no longer passive and weak, many women are becoming reasoning competitors, but in doing so they are losing contact with their bodily energies, desires and dreams.

It's obviously hard to desire the kind of man who has produced, and been produced by, western civilization. He is the competitive athlete or the competitive sedentary business man, or the competitive intellectual rationalizing his superiority over all beings.

Sexual desire has been so closely involved with enslavement, many women feel very concretely that desire must be overcome if they are to gain full human status.

Being a sexual object has meant being enslaved and diminished.

Gaining the social, economic, cultural, intellectual and sexual rights of men will not liberate anyone, because these rights and roles are where the ugliness of maleness is. It is not the penis that is fascistic, domineering, exploitive, corrupting. The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo, a warm dream.

All objects are desirable, no object enslaves, imposed systems enslave.

If we see that to be an animal, to be human, is to desire, then we see that to be understood is to be understood as desire. If our perception is purified, there is no mere object.

In a society which considers a corporation to be a person, we have to be careful when we ask to be treated as "a person, not an object". The society's definition of a person is something like "an emptiness with rights". We want equal rights, but we also want equal fullness. To acheive that human fullness, men have to be freed from their abstract reasoning aggressive possessiveness, and women have to be freed from their passivity".

It goes on, but that's most of it.

It was written before the copy of the book most people have was first written, I'm guessing. It sounds very early 70s to me.
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

gummybear said:
He could make a career out of selling erotic books lol.

And the first part of the quote is so wrong. Dr. Warren Farrell takes up alot of the male issues of today in the western world. A book I really recommend for all men is "The myth of Male power".

gummybear--
I'm curious how you interpret that "first part" of the quote,
that you think is so wrong.
I confess I haven't tried very hard,
but--without any context--the quote doesn't jump out at me
with a clear meaning.
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

j. said:
i don't even know what animal flower is supposed to mean.

Yeah...I know what you mean, but
"soft-firm dildo" is the real challenge for interpretation. :ugeek:
 

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Firm but soft? :error
 
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soft and then firm
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

A riddle hidden within an enigma and wrapped in a....
 

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Tulip? :rolling
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

well...
could be.
but I prefer to think:
wrapped in an animal flower.
 

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1993, "Nutrition for Women."

It's from Peat's book of 1993 "Nutrition for Women."

DESIRE, THE LIBERATOR OF SEXUAL OBJECTS

Men, out of touch with their energies and natural desires
and dreams, have kept women in chains. Passive and weak,
women have kept to themselves the wholeness and richness
of their experience.

Reasoning and competing men have believed that they
possessed women, but the centered and prolific human
female world was overlooked by the greedy devouring male,
who took part of her existence and believed he had taken it
all.

Wishing to be liberated, no longer passive and weak,
many women are becoming reasoning competitors, but in
dOing so are losing contact with their bodily energies,
desires, and dreams.

It is obviously hard to desire the kind of man who has
produced. and been produced b.)t , western civilization . He is
the competitive athlete or the competitive sedentary busi·
ness-man, or the competitive intellectual rationalizing his
superiority over all beings.

Sexual desire has been so closely involved with en·
slavemenl, many women feel very concretely that desire
105 FUTURE
must be overcome if they are to gain full human status.
Being a sexual object has meant being enslaved and
diminished.

Gaining the social. economic. cultural. intellectual. and
sexual rights of men will not liberate anyone, because these
rights and roles are where the ugliness of maleness is. It is
not the penis that is fascistic, domineering , exploitive.
corrupting. The penis is the male animal-flower. a soft-firm
dildo, a warm dream.

All objects are desirable, no object enslaves: imposed
systems enslave.

If we see that to be an animal. to be human, is to desire ,
then we see that to be understood is to be understood as
desire. If our perception is purif ied , there is no mere object.
In a society which considers a corporation to be a
person, we have to be careful when we ask to be treated as
·'a person, not an object." The society's definition of a
person is something like "an emptiness with rights." We
want equal rights, but we also want equal fullness . To
achieve that human fullness, men have to be freed from their
abstract reasoning aggressive possessiveness. and women
have to be freed from their passivity.

Itntersubjectivity is possible when we recognize a mutual
desire for growth . This kind of contact expands our self and
our known world, while allowing the other to expand .
Men relate by looking at the world together. Men and
women relate by seeing each other as perspectives on the
world . A sexual subjectivity, rather than a sexual object.
Intense relationships between women are just beginning to
be explored . Intense relationships between men and women
should be further explored - new selves will be evolved. and
new methods for exploring will be discovered . But before this
is possible for everyone, the whole system of capitalist
imperialism has to be changed. so that being human is not
defined primarily as having an economic role.

Men and women have real differences, but the nature of
these differences still has to be investigated. in the course of
mutually supported growth .
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

I just have to say,
that the whole thing has such a strong
Blakean glow.
Straight from the opening artwork.
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

Ray in his younger years looked a bit cuckoo (in a funny way), when I read about Ray's other ideas it
reminded me of a health practitioner that also writes some wacky stuff. Maybe they know something.
 
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narouz said:
gummybear said:
He could make a career out of selling erotic books lol.

And the first part of the quote is so wrong. Dr. Warren Farrell takes up alot of the male issues of today in the western world. A book I really recommend for all men is "The myth of Male power".

gummybear--
I'm curious how you interpret that "first part" of the quote,
that you think is so wrong.
I confess I haven't tried very hard,
but--without any context--the quote doesn't jump out at me
with a clear meaning.

"Gaining the social, economic, cultural, intellectual, and sexual rights of men will not liberate anyone, because these rights and roles are where the ugliness of maleness is."

I mean serious...is our intellect ugly then when it is "liberated"? He has some great ideas but also some crazy stuff.
 

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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

gummybear said:
narouz said:
gummybear said:
He could make a career out of selling erotic books lol.

And the first part of the quote is so wrong. Dr. Warren Farrell takes up alot of the male issues of today in the western world. A book I really recommend for all men is "The myth of Male power".

gummybear--
I'm curious how you interpret that "first part" of the quote,
that you think is so wrong.
I confess I haven't tried very hard,
but--without any context--the quote doesn't jump out at me
with a clear meaning.

"Gaining the social, economic, cultural, intellectual, and sexual rights of men will not liberate anyone, because these rights and roles are where the ugliness of maleness is."

I mean serious...is our intellect ugly then when it is "liberated"? He has some great ideas but also some crazy stuff.

gummybear--

Having read more of the context
(see above in this thread)
I think you may be misinterpreting the passage.

Sounds like Peat means something like:
Males in the modern world have more power than women,
but the nature of that power is corrupt, controlling, wrongly competitve, fascistic, etc....

So...if women set as a goal for themselves
to try to copy men's power strategies,
then they will not be "liberated,"
because they will just be repeating and recreating the corrupt power tactics of men.

Something like that....

Now..."soft-firm dildo"...?
I'll take a shot at that:
I think I've read some sex therapists say that
men should sort of, generally and literally, relax about sex,
that men should not have as the ideal goal in sex
to always have an Erection O' Steel, so to speak.
That men should open up to and embrace the
(literal) ups and downs of their member.

Furthermore, it is easy to see why some sexual philosophers
might equate the Erection 'O Steel to something weapon-like:
hard, impervious, invulnerable...perhaps intent on rendering pain, not pleasure.

I don't have experience with dildos :geek: ,
but I'm guessing Peat means "soft-firm dildo" to be a positive image,
the relaxed, playful penile posture (no alliteration intended, I swear!),
versus the obsessively competitive, weapon-like presentation....

And that brings us to "the male animal flower."
I guess this is the more traditional, poetic version of "the soft-firm dildo."
The flower is delicate, not hard.
But it is powerful in its generative, re-creative energy.
 
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Re: "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo.

narouz said:
gummybear said:
narouz said:
gummybear said:
He could make a career out of selling erotic books lol.

And the first part of the quote is so wrong. Dr. Warren Farrell takes up alot of the male issues of today in the western world. A book I really recommend for all men is "The myth of Male power".

gummybear--
I'm curious how you interpret that "first part" of the quote,
that you think is so wrong.
I confess I haven't tried very hard,
but--without any context--the quote doesn't jump out at me
with a clear meaning.

"Gaining the social, economic, cultural, intellectual, and sexual rights of men will not liberate anyone, because these rights and roles are where the ugliness of maleness is."

I mean serious...is our intellect ugly then when it is "liberated"? He has some great ideas but also some crazy stuff.

gummybear--

Having read more of the context
(see above in this thread)
I think you may be misinterpreting the passage.

Sounds like Peat means something like:
Males in the modern world have more power than women,
but the nature of that power is corrupt, controlling, wrongly competitve, fascistic, etc....

So...if women set as a goal for themselves
to try to copy men's power strategies,
then they will not be "liberated,"
because they will just be repeating and recreating the corrupt power tactics of men.

Something like that....

I'm gonna answer that with this interview.. ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtGwBsKgKs[/youtube]
 
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOROvO2fxTc[/youtube]
 
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