The cancer racket isn't about profits, or depopulation....but about retirement funds.

[Dave Clark]

All these outcomes will be accelerated by those who received the new mRNA therapy. So, many more people will not make it to retirement, or not enjoy much retirement.

 

[amd]

You have to wonder about those patients that last over a decade (still alive, chemo) after cancer treatment. Others die soon after.

Younger people will have a worse fate with the past changes in vaccine formulation and schedule, in addition to the new mRNA genetic treatments.

We have several problems:

1. Radiation from nuclear tests, natural sources, and others (medicine)

2. Retroviruses in vaccines (SV40)

3. Degraded genetic material in vaccines (cultured cell lines)

4. Pollution and careless planned obsolescence

5. Criminal push for rewriting human and animal DNA

 

[Jackson Chung]

Koch was a student of Moses Gomberg who was the father of free radical chemistry, and corresponded with William J. Hale who was the director of organic chemistry at Dow. The history of chemurgy (ala WJ Hale) is a fascinating rabbit hole in its own right. I agree with Dr. Peat's statement that Albert Szent-Gyorgi thoroughly respected Koch and his work but couldn't afford the stigma. Koch's work was incredible to me, the degree of insight it allowed in regards to considering the movement of electrical charge in the body via oxidation and reduction. For instance, consider the sensation of "piss shivers" experienced during urination. What is happening here? Consider it in the context of a depolarization event initiated by a sudden change in electrical charge density. How does the bladder fit into this? Where are the low spots for "charge" to condense? What happens when we have excess "charge?"

When experimenting with these quinones I experienced better color perception and sharper vision, better sleep, and increased focus. I tend towards ADD symptoms and distracted thinking and it helped me stay on track during reading. It also changed the perception of energy distribution in a way that is hard to communicate but is along the lines of perceiving the "high" and "low" spots where charge tends to accumulate in the body.

That’s cool. Coq10 and vitamin k2 are also quinones. Were effects of the Koch quinones different?

Also looking at the chlorine dioxide molecule. It always reminded me of a quinine (though it is not because the chlorine). I wonder if that may be the reason for all of its effects.

 

[charlie]

Also looking at the chlorine dioxide molecule. It always reminded me of a quinine (though it is not because the chlorine).

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Jackson Chung]

Neither orthodox or alternative cancer treatments will offer you their treatment statistics (although the Gerson people do offer them) because it's still a business and they all live off it.

Even Kenny Ausubel and his crew who wrote a fantastic book and documentary about the Hoxsey treatment refused to release the full statistics of their inquiry which lasted many years. Probably someone got to them (they always do)

I reckon the alternative ones will treat you right (but you have to pay a lot) while the orthodox ones will slowly butcher you (and you still have to pay)

The question is how can orthodox medicine hide their cancer statistics to society ? How is that even LEGAL ?

People who manage to get to that stage of doubt begin to see the horrible truth of modern medicine.

When it comes to Bob Beck, i first didn't knew what to make of his fantastic claims. But upon reading Robert Becker's "The body electric" , i stumbled on the information that the only way he could use electricity to force stem cells to start dividing and grow new limbs was to use the smaller current scientifically achievable. Higher currents were powerless to stimulate these stem cells.

All of a sudden everything Beck wrote made sense, and how very minute currents could disinfect blood and disturb cancer spreading. Have a look at his Youtube channel: everything sounds genuine.

But the most useful cancer information i stumbled on was frenchman Andre Gernez: he proved cancer could be controlled by killing off young and immature cancer cells during a 3 weeks diet each year. As long as cancer hasn't reached a critical mass, it's very vulnerable to simple human interventions.

I'm not saying that's the whole solution to the cancer problem (Gernez can't address juvenile cancers) but it's a very useful step.

There are so many non toxic treatments available that only wait for someone to test them scientifically but the system won't allow it.

Yeah. The system would implode if it allowed alternative treatments the light of day. Overnight a cancer cure would put tens of thousands of business out of business overnight. Millions would lose their job and would affect what I assume to be a 300-500 billion dollar industry rendering it useless. Of course it would be suppressed. The industry has no motive to cure your cancer.

I totally agree both sides are making money. Alternative and conventional. But I trust the alternative more. But you always have to do your research. No one can help you but yourself.

I tried to read the body electric and need to finish it. I feel the Bob beck protocol has potential for many things. Cancer and other diseases. Wish Ray were still here to guide us.

I am surprised by people’s reactions when I tell them about these conspiracies. They look at me like I’m stupid. I’ve been laughed at, called stupid and lost many friends over my views. But I continue the path. :).

I read modern medicine is like a religion. It cannot be questioned. People accept doctors’ word like gods word.

Sometimes it feels very lonely. There are not too many people my age like me (age 32). It can be hard to date because of this lol. Though I am happy with my knowledge it seems most people don’t care and are happy to hand over their life savings and see their family die at the hands of the medical cartel.

 

[Jackson Chung]

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.

I have never used it. But looking at it it seems like a quinine. That May account for its effects? It’s a powerful oxidizer just like a quinine. I’d be interested if someone has experimented with what a quinine feels like versus chlorine dioxide.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

The government just doesn't want to pay you your retirement.....he would rather have you dead.

Bob Beck made the same argument years ago, and i reckon now he was right.

They will make people work like horses for them all their lives, and when these old folks have the chance to receive the just rewards for their life achievements, they'll make sure to shorten their remaining years with various poisons, both in the environment and at the doctor's office.

It's not. The elites do not actually understand what they are doing not are they an unified faction.

It's just lies on top lies. It's someone trying to make a buck or to cover their behind all the way down. Billionaires like Koch die of cancer and throw their money away at the mainstream scam. The system is evil but not in a unified way.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Cancer treatments in welfare states like Finland are free, so cancer costs the government way more than pensions do, so I don't buy this argument either. If people dropped like flies when they hit retirement age, that would be the most cost-effective.

And they have effective anti-smoking campaigns while acknowledging that smoking, due to killing people early, saves money. None of this is black and white.

 

[jondoeuk]

I don’t know why you are a corporate shill, how is it stealing from the younger workers when these people paid for probably 45 years for the parents to not live in poverty. And yeah privatize it to give to the crooks on Wall Street who were bailed out while crashing the 401k of millions of people and right as we are just on another crash that will wipe out this generations 401k. I don’t why you shill for Wall Street bankers, maybe you are one of those thieves and want to get your greedy hands on my dollars so you can gamble with it.

Nice poisoning of the well, but I am against bailouts! Also, no offense (here comes the offense), but don't you know what theft is? Theft is the act of taking another person's property and/or services without that person's permission or consent, with the intent to deprive them of it. This is what happens to young people, whose money is taken without their consent. A much better (and moral) way is allowing people to do what they want with their own money.

 

[burtlancast]

Cancer treatments in welfare states like Finland are free, so cancer costs the government way more than pensions do, so I don't buy this argument either. If people dropped like flies when they hit retirement age, that would be the most cost-effective.

Except the government gets it almost all back through income taxes of pharma companies

While pension money is distributed across the whole community and sustains living.

 

[area51puy]

Nice poisoning of the well, but I am against bailouts! Also, no offense (here comes the offense), but don't you know what theft is? Theft is the act of taking another person's property and/or services without that person's permission or consent, with the intent to deprive them of it. This is what happens to young people, whose money is taken without their consent. A much better (and moral) way is allowing people to do what they want with their own money.

After 1,600 auditors combed through DOD’s $3.5 trillion in assets and $3.7 trillion in liabilities, officials found that the department couldn’t account for about 61 percent of its assets, Pentagon Comptroller Mike McCord told reporters on Tuesday.

They take nearly a trillion dollars a year in taxes for the military and don’t know we’re the money went.

How in the **** is it theft. You pay into it and when you reach retirement are you get your money back.

Is it theft when taxes go to schools, fire .how about the court system. Should we just abolish taxes and live in anarchy.

If someone rapes and murders children is it theft if my tax dollars go to pay for police to arrest them and and pay for the prisons to lock them up and keep them out of society.

And when you say end it, does the government just stop paying and we watch are society have millions of seniors citizens thrown out on the streets. Do I get a check back for the 20 years I have paid into it.

You will still get 80 percent of your social security when you retire when the trust fund dries up.

Social security cap is 160 thousand. All you have to if lift that and social security will be completely funded.

We spend 1.2 trillion a year on social security payments

How was funding distributed in FY 2023 for Department of Defense (DOD)?
Each year federal agencies receive funding from Congress, known as budgetary resources . In FY 2023, the Department of Defense (DOD) had $1.98 Trillion distributed among its 6 sub-components. Agencies spend available budgetary resources by making financial promises called obligations . In this section, we show the total budgetary resources broken out by agency sub-component and how much of that funding has been obligated for the fiscal year selected.

We spend almost twice as much on defense we’re that count account for we’re the money went, but you are concerned about a trillion dollars that keeps millions of seniors citizens off the streets, who work their whole live building this country. Are you some sort sicko?

 

[haidut]

The government just doesn't want to pay you your retirement.....he would rather have you dead.

Agreed, but that has kind of been true since the middle of the 20th century when average life expectancy rose to levels making most govt pensions insolvent. The ever-dropping fertility since the 1970s has only exacerbated this issue. The govts were able in the past to get around it by either printing money and/or increasing immigration. The problem in most "developed" nations these days is much worse than just govt pensions (a type of debt) being unpayable. If we look at all debt, both public and private, it is too high and basically (on average) everybody owes some entity/entities so much money that the debt cannot be repaid. Some of that unpayability is due to declining demographics, some to poor spending decisions (militarism/war spending, immigration welfare benefits, etc), but the end result is the same - economic decline and social unraveling. GDP of "developed" counties, adjusted for real (as opposed to fake) inflation, has been negative since the 1970s. Look at real wages adjusted for even fake inflation. They have been flat since the 1970s and negative if adjusted for real inflation. Printing money has run its course and most of mass immigration has been a disaster since those unskilled people are usually a net negative for the economy of their adoptive country, at least in Europe. So, when a debt cannot be paid, the only 3 options are: (1) default, (2) inflate the debt away, (3) kill the creditor. The impending CBDC in those countries are an implementation of 1 and probably of 3. Money printing has not stopped since at least 2008, so that's 2. And the "pandemic" combined with the major wars planned or already ongoing were/are mostly option 3.
Now, the question is - why is the world in this situation. Many people will say it was planned. I won't opine on that but let's say there may be a more direct explanation (without excluding the possibility of this being planned).
Namely, there are some unpalatable conclusions that can be drawn from 20th century history. One of them is that industrialization/modernization is very dangerous and ultimately kills the country that implements it, if society is left to develop under (neo)liberal principles. This seems to be true regardless of whether the economic policies pursued are in favor of industrialization (BRIC?S), market-friendly socialism (China/Vietnam), or financialization (Western world). The devastating consequences on demographics are about the same in all systems embracing technocracy, and some would say the impact would be even stronger in industrial model countries since running their economy requires even more human hands and involvement than a financialization economy as in the West.

World population set to shrink rapidly triggering ‘radical power shift’, warns new bombshell report

While predictions of a potentially catastrophic population explosion have abounded for years, new research suggests a major impending contraction by 2100, at which point the elderly will outnumber the young.

www.rt.com

Anyways, I think it is obvious at this point that rising standard of living and technological advances lead to a very pernicious combination of nihilism/selfishness/hedonism and social alienation, so within a generation or so nobody in said country wants to have and/or raise kids, or to look after sick/old people (even one's own parents). This seems to be confirmed across all countries examined, regardless of political system, or economic policies - currently visible in Europe, US, Canada, Australia/NZ, China, India, and, of course, Japan. As a side note, I'd say if left unchecked, eventually this leads to civil violence/war of said country/society as people are so alienated towards any other human being, they start perceiving each other as direct threats. There is plenty of evidence the Western world may be in that last stage.

Half of unmarried people under 30 in Japan don't want kids, survey finds

Respondents cited economic concerns and the burden of childbirth and parenting as their reasoning, a recent survey by a pharmaceutical firm showed.

www.japantimes.co.jp

The Last Generation: Why China’s Youth Are Deciding Against Having Children

In his third paper of The 19 Percent paper series, Barclay Bram traces the reasons and repercussions behind Chinese individuals' reluctance to become parents.

asiasociety.org

"...In a recent survey of more than 20,000 people in China, mostly females between the ages of 18 and 31, two-thirds of respondents said they did not desire to have children."

The above issue is further exacerbated by the striking drop in fertility in most countries. So, even if people wanted to reproduce many/most simply can't, due to poor health.

Men in name only: New study shows testosterone levels in American males are dropping dramatically. Why would that be?

Pollution, sedentary lifestyles, soy and even social ‘feminization’ have been blamed for a deepening testosterone crisis. But finding the answer fast is important – the future of America’s population literally depends on it.

www.rt.com

WHO reveals ‘staggering’ infertility statistics

Infertility affects one in six people worldwide, a World Health Organization study has found

www.rt.com

US registers WORST birth-rate drop in decades, low fertility rate shows current generation below ‘self-replacement’ level

Last year saw the lowest number of births in the US since 1979, a new government report shows. The statistics indicate that the current generation of Americans don’t have enough kids to replace themselves as the population ages.

www.rt.com

Italy’s birth rate at historic low

Fewer than 400,000 babies were born in the already shrinking population of Italy last year, statistics have revealed

www.rt.com

As mentioned above, attempts have been made in some of those countries to "remedy' the situation by allowing mass, unskilled, youth-centric immigration from developing countries, but we now see that this is not a solution and leads to further burden on the social/economic system of the country implementing it. So, the only feasible options from the point of view of govt planners are to kill the people that have become "useless" (old, sick, or generally unproductive for whatever reason), and implement a dictatorship where the choice of having kids or not will not be left to the plebs doing the breeding. Another "option" is transhumanism, where basically population numbers won't matter and aside from the elite everybody else in a country will be robots/AI. I think there is currently a push for both outcomes, depending on the country. Namely, resolve the issue with culling/dictatorship/militarism in countries that want to remain human-centric, or simply kill everybody aside from the elite in counties that have embraced transhumanism. However, if the fertility and health continue to drop as per the links above, at some point the human-centric option becomes non-viable, even through dictatorship. Which leaves us with transhumanism, which is what I think is openly being pushed by the West, and it is immaterial if this is done because some shadowy elites simply prefer transhumanism and despise the "useless eaters", or b/c the West has decided it is too late to implement the human-centric approach for itself due to poor health of the plebs.

 

[area51puy]

Thing that is missing is 14 billion dollars was spent in 2020 federal election , 5.8 billion in the 2018 midterm election, 2022 mid term was 8.9 billion and 6.5 billion in the 2016 election. So that was 36 billion dollars spent by elites and corporations for 539 people.

These people are bought and owned by the elites and major corporations. These are puppets for the wealthy.

So it’s the corporation who want you dead.

They want to milk as much money out of you before die.

All of these chemicals in food , clothing and plastics increase profits. Only the government can come in and regulate these chemicals to an ignorant public on the dangers. But if they are bought off or don’t want some billionaire financing the campaign of their opponent to take them out. They will not bring laws or regulations to protect the public and if they do they are pushed out of office by big money.

Their are 6 major media companies they will also assist in smearing candidates who go against the corporate agenda and prop up people who are for the pro corporate agenda.

And when you get sick there is no money in the cure. But their is major profit in managing the symptoms until you die.

So as we saw with Fauci who is a puppet of Pfizer told you the only thing that can save you is the vaccine that made Pfizer over a 100 billion dollars and counting.

The want immigration and illegal immigration for the cheap labor. Which increases profits, but drags down the wages for everybody else.

They want to privatize social security so Wall Street can gamble with the money and keep inflating the bubble.

The depopulation agenda is not the government but the elites putting their puppets in power.

And there are some powerful elites that want to depopulate, but a majority of the cancers , heart disease and disease are because of corporate greed.

PUFAs weren’t put in food because the elites wanted to kill the people starting in the early 1900’s they found a cheaper waste product that could increase profits.

All these other chemicals somehow increase profits through shelf life or color to look more appealing or the other million reasons they put these things that will slowly kill won’t be regulated because it hurt the profits of their donors.

The only things they regulate is stuff that immediately makes you sick or kills you.

But if it gives you cancer 20 years down the road and costs a major donor profits they wont regulate it.

We vote these people in office, but the media is so good at getting the blue hairs and red hats fighting the culture wars we don’t realize we are being slowly poisoned to death.

But luckily for us in this forum with some very smart people trying to figure out what is poisoning us and how we can avoid it , mitigate the poison we can’t avoid and how to repair the damage that has been done. But 99 percent of the population is ignorant to this.

Paul Saladino is having instagram post labeled misinformation for posting about the bad health effects PUFAs have on us. I don’t think Biden called instagram to have it censored, but I bet some corporate executives got in contact with instagram because they don’t want the public becoming aware how PUFAs destroy your health.

So ultimately if the government is the problem. Follow the money.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Nice poisoning of the well, but I am against bailouts! Also, no offense (here comes the offense), but don't you know what theft is? Theft is the act of taking another person's property and/or services without that person's permission or consent, with the intent to deprive them of it. This is what happens to young people, whose money is taken without their consent. A much better (and moral) way is allowing people to do what they want with their own money.

No. Theft is illegally taking another's property.

And for the most part, people earn that money because they live under a certain government. There are areas with no government, and if you do not like the deal go there. There is one such place in the US. However living outside the society that multiplies your productivity a thousandfold is a way better deal. So pay your taxes.

In fact, money only has value because the state says so. Otherwise it would be crappy toilet paper.

 

[revenant]

No. Theft is illegally taking another's property.

And for the most part, people earn that money because they live under a certain government. There are areas with no government, and if you do not like the deal go there. There is one such place in the US. However living outside the society that multiplies your productivity a thousandfold is a way better deal. So pay your taxes.

In fact, money only has value because the state says so. Otherwise it would be crappy toilet paper.

Wow... so many NPC opinions in this one. 15 years ago I would have gone into a long debate but ehh.

Essentially you are saying that morality (not laws) is created by the state, and that on the moon you cannot steal from someone because there are no state laws.

 

[revenant]

Or since this is the Ray Peat forum, let's call those high serotonin opinions!

 

[burtlancast]

Now, the question is - why is the world in this situation. Many people will say it was planned. I won't opine on that but let's say there may be a more direct explanation (without excluding the possibility of this being planned).
Namely, there are some unpalatable conclusions that can be drawn from 20th century history. One of them is that industrialization/modernization is very dangerous and ultimately kills the country that implements it, if society is left to develop under (neo)liberal principles. This seems to be true regardless of whether the economic policies pursued are in favor of industrialization (BRIC?S), market-friendly socialism (China/Vietnam), or financialization (Western world). The devastating consequences on demographics are about the same in all systems embracing technocracy, and some would say the impact would be even stronger in industrial model countries since running their economy requires even more human hands and involvement than a financialization economy as in the West.

Modernization is a good thing.
Science is a good thing.
As long as society uses them well.
For the past 200 years the Occidental world has lived under a totally fake ideal: unlimited growth, which is an obvious dream.
But all politicians pretend the contrary.
And the people vote for them because they want to believe in this lie they're being sold.
They like this lie.

The core problem isn't progress but utopic ideals of society, which equals society existing and developing with no ideals at all while pretending otherwise.

We need true and achievable ideals for our society because at the moment there are none and instead we have the law of the jungle disguised into democracy.

I think it is obvious at this point that rising standard of living and technological advances lead to a very pernicious combination of nihilism/selfishness/hedonism and social alienation, so within a generation or so nobody in said country wants to have and/or raise kids, or to look after sick/old people (even one's own parents).

So, even if people wanted to reproduce many/most simply can't, due to poor health

Or maybe people just rightly perceive the system being rigged and refuse to raise children that would become slaves to the system.

As mentioned above, attempts have been made in some of those countries to "remedy' the situation by allowing mass, unskilled, youth-centric immigration from developing countries, but we now see that this is not a solution and leads to further burden on the social/economic system of the country implementing it. So, the only feasible options from the point of view of govt planners are to kill the people that have become "useless" (old, sick, or generally unproductive for whatever reason), and implement a dictatorship where the choice of having kids or not will not be left to the plebs doing the breeding. Another "option" is transhumanism, where basically population numbers won't matter and aside from the elite everybody else in a country will be robots/AI. I think there is currently a push for both outcomes, depending on the country. Namely, resolve the issue with culling/dictatorship/militarism in countries that want to remain human-centric, or simply kill everybody aside from the elite in counties that have embraced transhumanism. However, if the fertility and health continue to drop as per the links above, at some point the human-centric option becomes non-viable, even through dictatorship. Which leaves us with transhumanism, which is what I think is openly being pushed by the West, and it is immaterial if this is done because some shadowy elites simply prefer transhumanism and despise the "useless eaters", or b/c the West has decided it is too late to implement the human-centric approach for itself due to poor health of the plebs

How killing everybody constitutes a solution ?
The elites will multiply once more and in 100 years we will be back at the same situation.
This is comic book reasoning destined to scare people out of their minds.

As i said, all we need to do is chose realistic ideals and implement them.
If it means raising the living standards and at the same time curbing voluntarily our natality, then so be it.

What isn't a solution is poisoning humanity with chemicals and impoverishing them as if they were dumb animals unable to control their instincts.

 

[haidut]

How killing everybody constitutes a solution ?

It is not a solution to me, but it is obviously perceived as a "solution" by the whatever entity is calling the shots and we are being driven in that direction, relentlessly. You see what is happening in France and it is the same pretty much everywhere in the Western world. Aging population, broke pension funds, poor economic growth and unproductive youth (not their fault obviously, especially with the health issues present). If you are the govt and the old people want their money, which the state owes them, but the money is no longer there then what do you do?

 

[Peatful]

Modernization is a good thing.
Science is a good thing.
As long as society uses them well.
For the past 200 years the Occidental world has lived under a totally fake ideal: unlimited growth, which is an obvious dream.
But all politicians pretend the contrary.
And the people vote for them because they want to believe in this lie they're being sold.
They like this lie.

The core problem isn't progress but utopic ideals of society, which equals society existing and developing with no ideals at all while pretending otherwise.

We need true and achievable ideals for our society because at the moment there are none and instead we have the law of the jungle disguised into democracy.




Or maybe people just rightly perceive the system being rigged and refuse to raise children that would become slaves to the system.




How killing everybody constitutes a solution ?
The elites will multiply once more and in 100 years we will be back at the same situation.
This is comic book reasoning destined to scare people out of their minds.

As i said, all we need to do is chose realistic ideals and implement them.
If it means raising the living standards and at the same time curbing voluntarily our natality, then so be it.

What isn't a solution is poisoning humanity with chemicals and impoverishing them as if they were dumb animals unable to control their instincts.

This is not a temporal problem.

Look elsewhere.

 

[burtlancast]

If you are the govt and the old people want their money, which the state owes them, but the money is no longer there then what do you do?

The real question is what are the true needs of pensioners ?
Analyze their needs and you'll realize most of them are engineered artificially by society, including their poor health.

Planned obsolescence and poverty, chemical violence are being implemented purposely by us against ourselves.

Money is being concentrated in the hands of the few in order to cull the useless.

It's never a problem of money but of intent.