“Sophie’s Choice”: Jab or Containment Camp. With Ray’s Response.

[Fred]

Please warn people on YouTube and social media before comments are all shut down. We may be in the last days of somewhat free communication.

 

[Peater]

Please warn people on YouTube and social media

I've had my fill of being called an anti vax anti science idiot retard. Good luck to them.

 

[FredSonoma]

i'm surprised Ray hasn't already dipped to mexico

Agreed, I wonder what makes him stay, or what brought him back in the first place

 

[tankasnowgod]

As we look at the future- we may have a very important choice in front of us.

To choose the jab- or be taken to a “safe containment camp” (FEMA death camp).

Bull. They literally don't have the authority or resources to do that.

There's only about 2 Million people in the military, and they are spread out all over the world.. There's probably a similar number of law enforcement officers. The US has the most people in prison of any country in the world, both by absolute numbers, and per capita. That number is only 2.3 Million.

Why do you think all people in the military and law enforcement would just go along with such a herding plan? Even if they did, they still don't have the numbers to be successful.

And you forget, there are more guns than people in the US (at least going by "official" population numbers), over 340 Million, the vast majority in the hands of private citizens.

There are not enough "containment camps" to house 100, 200, or even 300 Million people in the US. And personally, I doubt they have an efficient "extermination" plan.

I think the "vaxxed" numbers are inflated, but why would you think even the vaxxed would just stand by and let their friends/family/neighbors just be imprisoned in this way?

 

[tankasnowgod]

Brethren, the camps were also during the Nazi era. Please don't forget what they were used for. There is nothing new under the sun. Do not allow your heart to be troubled, do not let anger and fear guide you!

You mean like Stalin's gulags or FDR's internment camps? Or do those not count?

 

[Fred]

I've had my fill of being called an anti vax anti science idiot retard. Good luck to them.

There's still people on the fence ... people who can be won over ... and we'll need every last one of them if we're going to survive.

 

[Peatful]

Bull. They literally don't have the authority or resources to do that.

There's only about 2 Million people in the military, and they are spread out all over the world.. There's probably a similar number of law enforcement officers. The US has the most people in prison of any country in the world, both by absolute numbers, and per capita. That number is only 2.3 Million.

Why do you think all people in the military and law enforcement would just go along with such a herding plan? Even if they did, they still don't have the numbers to be successful.

And you forget, there are more guns than people in the US (at least going by "official" population numbers), over 340 Million, the vast majority in the hands of private citizens.

There are not enough "containment camps" to house 100, 200, or even 300 Million people in the US. And personally, I doubt they have an efficient "extermination" plan.

I think the "vaxxed" numbers are inflated, but why would you think even the vaxxed would just stand by and let their friends/family/neighbors just be imprisoned in this way?

Yes. I have thought about a majority of what you raise for the past week as well.

Don’t underestimate the forces of true evil.

Who thought we’d be here now?
All these hospitals, MDs, school boards and clergy being bought off with cash incentives.
The manipulation of truth for outlandish lies; and so many people buying it. Not only buying it - but the narrative of the unvaxxed should die.
(“Give us Barrabus!”)

I know many an indecent person that would gladly man a death camp. People are bought with power and money.

We could point counterpoint back and forth. But as I stated above- and as hx points out- I dont want to be “unarmed” if this happens.
Even a possibility- its worth knowing what line you won’t cross.
With my most important point being my children.
It changes everything.

Thx for the opposing view.

edit: are you in the US? Where I am it downright insanity- and im in the southern US.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Yes. I have thought about a majority of what you raise for the past week as well.

Don’t underestimate the forces of true evil.

Fair, but I don't think you should overestimate them, either. Or, underestimate yourself.

Who thought we’d be here now?
All these hospitals, MDs, school boards and clergy being bought off with cash incentives.
The manipulation of truth for outlandish lies; and so many people buying it. Not only buying it - but the narrative of the unvaxxed should die.
(“Give us Barrabus!”)

Truthfully, I didn't have a lot of respect for hospitals, MDs, clergy, and school boards in general, so the idea of corrupt people being brought off with bribes to do continue to be corrupt isn't that shocking. It's just more visible and on a higher scale.

I know many an indecent person that would gladly man a death camp. People are bought with power and money.

How many is "many?" 50 Million? And the specific people you do know that would man these death camps, what is their physical stature? Age? Health Condition? Are you talking about young fit soldier types, or more out of shape, office worker types?

We could point counterpoint back and forth.

Well, you didn't even counter any of the points I brought up. Still wondering how these "death camps" would be staffed.

But as I stated above- and as hx points out- I dont want to be “unarmed” if this happens.

Then start exercising your second amendment rights and buy more guns and ammo. Simple. The founders of the republic added that amendment for the possibility you suggest. It's to protect yourself against a tyrannical government.

Even a possibility- its worth knowing what line you won’t cross.
With my most important point being my children.
It changes everything.

Agreed.

Thx for the opposing view.

edit: are you in the US? Where I am it downright insanity- and im in the southern US.

Yes, I live in the union. I'm not sure what you mean by "downright insanity," because nothing about the past year and half has truly been sane, but most of what I see in the real world with my own two eyes hasn't been that bad. Sure, there's the inflation, and people wearing masks and such, but most things are fairly "normal." I even live in a fairly big city. I have only seen "insanity" online. I don't watch TV, but I'm sure there's plenty of it there.

It's a fictional pandemic, but that fiction has been projecting itself out into the "real world."

 

[Peatful]

Fair, but I don't think you should overestimate them, either. Or, underestimate yourself.

Truthfully, I didn't have a lot of respect for hospitals, MDs, clergy, and school boards in general, so the idea of corrupt people being brought off with bribes to do continue to be corrupt isn't that shocking. It's just more visible and on a higher scale.

How many is "many?" 50 Million? And the specific people you do know that would man these death camps, what is their physical stature? Age? Health Condition? Are you talking about young fit soldier types, or more out of shape, office worker types?

Well, you didn't even counter any of the points I brought up. Still wondering how these "death camps" would be staffed.

Then start exercising your second amendment rights and buy more guns and ammo. Simple. The founders of the republic added that amendment for the possibility you suggest. It's to protect yourself against a tyrannical government.

Agreed.

Yes, I live in the union. I'm not sure what you mean by "downright insanity," because nothing about the past year and half has truly been sane, but most of what I see in the real world with my own two eyes hasn't been that bad. Sure, there's the inflation, and people wearing masks and such, but most things are fairly "normal." I even live in a fairly big city. I have only seen "insanity" online. I don't watch TV, but I'm sure there's plenty of it there.

It's a fictional pandemic, but that fiction has been projecting itself out into the "real world."

I think we are polar opposites.
Im a discernible intuitive. Who can be quite a b**** at times.
You present much more pragmatic- with a sprinkling of self righteous **** in the mix.

Last year I was with my husband for a surgical procedure in a large hospital system.
Unallowed to be with him pre op or post op- I waited the day in the visitors waiting room- with all the good little sheeple.
I ended up getting escorted out of the hospital by two obese hospital staff over not wearing my mask in the outdoor atrium.

I also get corrected or asked daily about my vaxx status or my mask wearing practices when I go out for my job.

This is insanity to me.

Did you read @catan account of a nine year old boy being isolated out of parental fear?
Im dealing with that ethos in our public schools and about 80% of the parents here as well. Yes. 80%. That number is correct.

Lastly, did I hear incorrectly about the US and ammunition availability or sales?
Like you- I dont watch TV or have social media- but did hear from a credible source.
This was in the last 48 hours.
So your points are good - but things are changing at fever pitch.

 

[JudiBlueHen]

It seems like a spell has been cast. The only way out of believing the spell is to embrace a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. In other words, we know more about what isn't true - most of what the "experts" and authorities say - than what is actually true.

I for one do not know exactly what the novel coronavirus is (there are many theories), but I can see that it is hardly more deadly than the flu (and the numbers have been confounded with flu) and other respiratory viruses. I do not know how many "cases" there really are, but I know the numbers are falsely inflated by all sorts of shenanigans; same with hospitalizations and deaths. I know the numbers will always be false when there are big $$ dependent on a cov** diagnosis.

I know the "vaccines" were rushed - or maybe they were in development over the past 5-10 years if the patents are real. Maybe they are being "adjusted" over time. I know the safety studies will never have true published data, and the VAERS adverse effects will be conflated with any other possible conditions that those reporting might have.

The continuous stream of lies is impressive. I am grateful for the scientists, doctors, lawyers, and forum posters trying to unravel the truth and get the word out, but they are facing a constant disadvantage. The monster of dubious contorted data makes analyses uncertain.

However, this morphing data might be to our advantage. I do not think the governments have a good picture of how many are vaccinated and who they are. They have numbers, but how many vaccines have been discarded? out of spec? who administered all these vaccines? temp workers? was all the proper data collected from the vaccine clinics? I think the data is an abysmal mess and can never be corrected.

So be comfortable with your cognitive dissonance - in these circumstances it is a blessing.

 

[frannybananny]

Camps WILL be forced-vaccination centers. Whatever the vaccine is for, it's not to protect you from covid. And they can't afford to have large numbers of people in the "control group". Team up with people/neighbors ... physically resist or attempt secession, or you will be forcibly inoculated. Period.

Why not just say you've been vaccinated if asked? That is the line of least resistance. Why protest too much and draw attention to yourselves? I don't get it. Sure it's a lie but why open a whole can o' worms? Up until now I have replied truthfully and just say "no" and when asked why not I explain patiently about the mRNA but if the situation becomes dire like some of you are describing, I will just stay in my local community and say "yes" I've had the jab. No need to get on any planes nor be mandated.

 

[jnklheimer]

This happened in Australia. Get a preview of what will occur routinely in US, whether under Joe or Kamala. Cops ripping kids from unwilling parent's arms while nurses force needles into screaming kids. One wonders, if the kids live long enough, the long term psychological and permanent traumas this will induce in them. (VIDEO):

Satanic Oz Cops Take Little Girl From Father To Force Her To Take Kill Shots - Australia Is Pure Communists Hell On Earth Now - Warning This Is Devastating To Watch
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Is there any proof this is about shots? I don’t think so. It sucks to see but it is probably a dad losing custody in a divorce case. I see a lot of propaganda from both sides now.

 

[mariantos]

You mean like Stalin's gulags or FDR's internment camps? Or do those not count?

Of course it matters!

But the same can be said about unit 731, the Nanjing massacre, the chinese communists, the american democrats, and so on. I mispronounced myself because I focused on nazism in particular.

I tried to use "association", without intending to denigrate the barbaric activities undertaken by other states by different methods, in times of conflict!

 

[Birdie]

I think we are polar opposites.
Im a discernible intuitive. Who can be quite a b**** at times.
You present much more pragmatic- with a sprinkling of self righteous **** in the mix.

Last year I was with my husband for a surgical procedure in a large hospital system.
Unallowed to be with him pre op or post op- I waited the day in the visitors waiting room- with all the good little sheeple.
I ended up getting escorted out of the hospital by two obese hospital staff over not wearing my mask in the outdoor atrium.

I also get corrected or asked daily about my vaxx status or my mask wearing practices when I go out for my job.

This is insanity to me.

Did you read @catan account of a nine year old boy being isolated out of parental fear?
Im dealing with that ethos in our public school board and about 80% of the parents here as well. Yes. 80%. That number is correct.

Lastly, did I hear incorrectly about the US and ammunition availability or sales?
Like you- I dont watch TV or have social media- but did hear from a credible source.
This was in the last 48 hours.
So your points are good - but things are changing at fever pitch.

I can imagine how awful it was to be with your husband for a surgery in a large hospital. This whole time I've hoped that wouldn't happen to us. The sheer inhumanity of it. The 80% you're dealing with at the school board is incredible. Disappointing but we need to hear about it. Thanks for your news,

 

[Birdie]

Of course it matters!

But the same can be said about unit 731, the Nanjing massacre, the chinese communists, the american democrats, and so on. I mispronounced myself because I focused on nazism in particular.

I tried to use "association", without intending to denigrate the barbaric activities undertaken by other states by different methods, in times of conflict!

You seem to have a pretty broad knowledge here. Very interesting to read your various comments around the forum.

 

[Badger]

Is there any proof this is about shots? I don’t think so. It sucks to see but it is probably a dad losing custody in a divorce case. I see a lot of propaganda from both sides now.

They are ripping a screaming girl out of her father's arms and pinning her to the floor, with 3-4 of them grabbing her limbs, and nurses appear to be doing some procedure on her. Her father is swarmed like a prisoner in a jail by guards obviously eager to smother him. And you think this is all done on someone losing custody of a kid from a divorce? I did not know nurses got involved in custody battles.

I was once a security guard in a hospital in my college days. We almost weekly had to hog tie men who came through ER high on PCP to gurneys, but NEVER did we ever come close to doing something like this to distressed people, which we surely had our share of. We talked them out of it if they misbehaved.

I knew someone was going to come up with a completely absurd rationalization for the medical Gestapo behavior here. Nobody reads history anymore showing the evil human beings can do to others when they have the power to do so. Sigh...

 

[haidut]

he thinks if that jab becomes necessary to participate in society

Lol, is he serious!? What society?? It is just a fake veneer on top of a gang of brutal, psychopathic, (self)destructive freaks. After decades of oppressive environment, toxic drugs/food/water, complete degradation of medical care / education / human relationships, and generally meaningless existence, it is little surprise "society" is in this position. The only reason the illusion of "society" still stands is that there have been no food shortages yet. Once that starts, that "society"...will eat itself, as the Joker so eloquently explained.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokiXWSaPUc


Has your husband seen the brutal physical fights that happened in early 2020? People fought (and even killed) each other like mindless beasts over...toilet paper. Imagine what will happen if people have to fight over food. The videos coming out of Afghanistan lately are a pretty good guide to our future if this psychopathic plan continues. So, I am curious just what benefit of being part in this "society" does your husband think exists that justifies the risks of taking an experimental jab, especially when it is being force-fed to us using every possible manipulation/coercion technique the govt has in its arsenal?

 

[hierundjetzt]

Why not just say you've been vaccinated if asked? That is the line of least resistance. Why protest too much and draw attention to yourselves? I don't get it. Sure it's a lie but why open a whole can o' worms? Up until now I have replied truthfully and just say "no" and when asked why not I explain patiently about the mRNA but if the situation becomes dire like some of you are describing, I will just stay in my local community and say "yes" I've had the jab. No need to get on any planes nor be mandated.

Because in some countries you have a vaccination passport which you need to ho to and enter places...

 

[jnklheimer]

They are ripping a screaming girl out of her father's arms and pinning her to the floor, with 3-4 of them grabbing her limbs, and nurses appear to be doing some procedure on her. Her father is swarmed like a prisoner in a jail by guards obviously eager to smother him. And you think this is all done on someone losing custody of a kid from a divorce? I did not know nurses got involved in custody battles.

I was once a security guard in a hospital in my college days. We almost weekly had to hog tie men who came through ER high on PCP to gurneys, but NEVER did we ever come close to doing something like this to distressed people, which we surely had our share of. We talked them out of it if they misbehaved.

I knew someone was going to come up with a completely absurd rationalization for the medical Gestapo behavior here. Nobody reads history anymore showing the evil human beings can do to others when they have the power to do so. Sigh...

So, do you have any proof this is about shots and not the end of a bitter custody battle or some other situation? Try your hardest not to project what you think my views are before you respond. Just because I’m not engaging in this emotional hyperdrive with you right off the bat and I’m asking for some proof this is what you are implying it is, doesn’t mean you have any notion of what my education on history is.

 

[jnklheimer]

Lol, is he serious!? What society?? It is just a fake veneer on top of a gang of brutal, psychopathic, (self)destructive freaks. After decades of oppressive environment, toxic drugs/food/water, complete degradation of medical care / education / human relationships, and generally meaningless existence, it is little surprise "society" is in this position. The only reason the illusion of "society" still stands is that there have been no food shortages yet. Once that starts, that "society"...will eat itself, as the Joker so eloquently explained.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokiXWSaPUc


Has your husband seen the brutal physical fights that happened in early 2020? People fought (and even killed) each other like mindless beasts over...toilet paper. Imagine what will happen if people have to fight over food. The videos coming out of Afghanistan lately are a pretty good guide to our future if this psychopathic plan continues.

What are these videos out of Afghanistan showing? Food shortages?