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@Hanzo 1.6 pounds?
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@Hanzo 1.6 pounds?
Understandable, but actually I think it's almost impossible to lose weight if you're obese while still eating PUFAs. At least that's my current experience. That's probably why the recommendation for sick people is to eat exclusively coconut oil and no other fats. At this point I'm probably considered obese, I have a ton of weight to lose, probably like 70-80 lbs. I kept gaining and gaining while being liberal with fats (pufa's) with no end in sight. I was eating copious butter, dairy fat, chocolate, etc, and gaining weight at an insane pace. I am hoping that now my weight will stabilize and finally start to drop. I'm hardly worried about it dropping too fast, I mean, I haven't noticed it drop at all let alone fast yet lol. I am sure I'm still eating too much caloric wise, but I have to or my temps drop. My appetite does not seem to get satiated with a normal amount of calories, even when I'm restricting PUFA's to as low as 0.5 gram in a day and getting upwards of 100 grams of SFA's.
Any updateI've been eating almost completely fat free for 2 weeks, and planning on doing it for at least another 4 weeks before I make a judgement.
Also gave up gluten. In for a penny...
In the last week I've had, from time to time, very light dizziness and blurry vision.
Anyone had similar experiences?
By the end of 6 weeks I was doing very well,Any update
Did u not get any aging or bad effects from all the pufa release into bloodBy the end of 6 weeks I was doing very well,
there was a lifting of brain fog and a general feeling that was pretty good, no depression, decent energy levels.
Weight loss only happened in the first 2-3 weeks and then stopped. I wasn't counting calories and was getting lots of sugar.
Once you figure out what to eat it's pretty easy to maintain.
Now i'm back to eating saturated fat, but I will probably do the very very low fat again sometime, I'll try for longer - maybe 6 months.
No, nothing that I could feel anyways.Did u not get any aging or bad effects from all the pufa release into blood
Is 100% pufa depletion possible?
I'm surprised how there are so few reports of people having attempted the 30 days of PUFA depletion.
Past 2 years, my diet has been very high in PUFA's. I avoided vegetable oils like the plague, but I did load up hard on all kinds of nuts, seeds, avocados and high oxalates foods. I'm wondering how much damage could this have done.
How many days would someone have to fast to deplete PUFA? 10 days would be nothing, I'd choose this. Lifting weights during every day of fasting is muscle-sparing, so I'd be doing that.
I already have a fast metabolism, so I'm not sure how could I benefit from PUFA depletion. I'm hoping to get higher androgens and higher energy levels.
On another note, when is Haidut releasing a mead acid supplement? That would be amazing. I think it competes with n-6 much like how n-3 does, but without the toxic side effects. I think it competes with n-3 as well. The world needs a mead acid supplement!!
3) Perhaps the most important, and depressing finding - even a single high PUFA meal replenished PUFA content in serum, cholesterol and tissues almost up to the levels seen before starting fat-free diets. So, after depleting PUFA make sure to avoid even a single "binge event" of restaurant food unless you are loaded up on vitamin E.
Monkeys that had been fed fat-free diets or coconut oil diets for 8 months had their deficit of PFA in the serum total lipid and cholesterol ester fractions corrected after a single meal containing corn oil. The elevations above base une values per sisted for several days. The PFA concen trations and the ratios of dienoic to trienoic acids in the lipids of skin, muscle, and testis changed much more slowly than did the values for serum lipids when the diets were changed from high-corn oil diets to fat-free diets, and vice versa.
This is not what the study said, and it worries me that everyone in this thread has just jumped on your interpretation as if it's the correct one.
let mention to all the new people here that reads this:Since removing PUFA from the body is one of the primary goals of Peatarians, naturally anything that can speed up the process of waiting at least 4 years would be highly desirable. I have been experimenting myself relentlessly with speeding that process up (as safely as possible). While searching for clues, I came across this study from 1959. It used monkeys and special diets (high PUFA or fat-free) to deplete and then replete PUFA from serum, cholesterol, and most importantly tissues. If I am reading this study right, and if monkey studies translate well to humans, I think there are some very good news for all of us. Some takeaways from the study.
1) On a fat-free diet, PUFA depletion in serum and cholesterol was daramatic and it took about 4 days to almost fully deplete PUFA.
2) In various tissues like muscle, skin and testis, PUFA depletion was slower, but still after ONLY 31 days the PUFA depletion in tissues reached the depletion levels seen in serum and cholesterol. As far as I can see PUFA levels fell to under 5% concentration in tissues. Again, this was achieved when feeding fat-free diet.
3) Perhaps the most important, and depressing finding - even a single high PUFA meal replenished PUFA content in serum, cholesterol and tissues almost up to the levels seen before starting fat-free diets. So, after depleting PUFA make sure to avoid even a single "binge event" of restaurant food unless you are loaded up on vitamin E.
Fat-free diets are unrealistic and maybe even unhealthy for many people. However, it is not hard to eat very low-fat diets with no more than 5% fat daily and feel fine. If the study translates to humans this probably means successful depletion of PUFA in as few as 2-3 months. I would appreciate it if someone else reads the study as well and tells me if I am reading this right. If this study is correct, I think it makes the Peatarian goals of being PUFA-free much more realistic. I know quite a few people that do not follow Peatarian diets ONLY b/c they are quite discouraged by the prospects of waiting 4+ years to see lasting benefits.
Anyways, please read and fire away. Figure 7 and Table 1 from the study are the most important for our purposes - i.e. tissue depletion of PUFA.
Repletion and Depletion of Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids in Cebus Monkeys
"...The reversal of PFA concentrations in muscle, skin, and testis was much slower; however, the reversal in PFA concentrations had occurred in these tissues by 31 days after the diet reversal."