TripleOG
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You see this type of diet plan often with successful body recompositions.
Fatter people doing best with initial higher fat intake and lower carb intake. Carb:Fat ratio shifts towards carbs as one becomes lean, ultimately ending with a carb-centric diet. This also goes hand in hand with the ideology behind refeeds and diet breaks for lean dieters.
My anecdote:
Maaaaany years ago I took a familiar approach to drop 40lbs and achieve a muscular 8-10% bf.
This was way before I knew Peat existed. I was on the anti-SFA, anti-sugar, anti-beef train back then. Results could've maybe been better with some Peaty adjustments. Milk, casein, and cottage cheese were in heavy rotation, though.
I would go on to "lean bulk" the next 6 months with a high carb (atleast 400g) diet, getting up to 3200 daily calories without excessive fat gain. The only form of exercise was weight lifting. The next time I cut for fatloss I was able to achieve my goal with 2800 calories and much higher carbs than previous attempts. A clear sign my metabolic health improved over this whole process even with suboptimal food choices.
It wasn't until I dabbled in ketogenic diets, excessive fasting, probiotics, green smoothies, and took on a stressful job that my health took a turn that lead me here. A life of excessive PUFA likely reached a tipping point as well.
Current observations:
The knowledge and experience gained here and elsewhere over the years brings me back to a weight loss strategy similar to the OP. There's also plenty of anecdotes here of overweight people finding weightloss success starting with higher fat. Nathan Hatch is one. This thread is another. Ray Peat gave anecdotes on KMUD about an overweight person he consulted with started losing weight after ADDING tbsps of coconut oil to his diet. Hell, even Ray gives an anecdote of his weight decreasing slightly after ADDING coconut oil.
I can also attest to higher BF% individuals doing better with higher fat intake initially. I'm somewhere between 15-18% bf. Every low fat attempt leaves me inflamed and water-logged with poor digestion lol. Yes, even with the most Peat-approved approaches. (no starch, carrots/mushrooms, micronutrient dense foods, paying attention to food allergies, managing water intake, etc). I don't have to be anywhere near as meticulous when fats are higher.
Thought I'd share. Didn't anticipate writing a wall of text, though. Ha.
Fatter people doing best with initial higher fat intake and lower carb intake. Carb:Fat ratio shifts towards carbs as one becomes lean, ultimately ending with a carb-centric diet. This also goes hand in hand with the ideology behind refeeds and diet breaks for lean dieters.
My anecdote:
Maaaaany years ago I took a familiar approach to drop 40lbs and achieve a muscular 8-10% bf.
- High protein. 170-190g
- Fats around 80g.
- Carbs filled out the rest. Typically 150-200g.
- 3x/week gym routine
- Minimum 40min outdoor/treadmill walk on rest days
This was way before I knew Peat existed. I was on the anti-SFA, anti-sugar, anti-beef train back then. Results could've maybe been better with some Peaty adjustments. Milk, casein, and cottage cheese were in heavy rotation, though.
I would go on to "lean bulk" the next 6 months with a high carb (atleast 400g) diet, getting up to 3200 daily calories without excessive fat gain. The only form of exercise was weight lifting. The next time I cut for fatloss I was able to achieve my goal with 2800 calories and much higher carbs than previous attempts. A clear sign my metabolic health improved over this whole process even with suboptimal food choices.
It wasn't until I dabbled in ketogenic diets, excessive fasting, probiotics, green smoothies, and took on a stressful job that my health took a turn that lead me here. A life of excessive PUFA likely reached a tipping point as well.
Current observations:
The knowledge and experience gained here and elsewhere over the years brings me back to a weight loss strategy similar to the OP. There's also plenty of anecdotes here of overweight people finding weightloss success starting with higher fat. Nathan Hatch is one. This thread is another. Ray Peat gave anecdotes on KMUD about an overweight person he consulted with started losing weight after ADDING tbsps of coconut oil to his diet. Hell, even Ray gives an anecdote of his weight decreasing slightly after ADDING coconut oil.
I can also attest to higher BF% individuals doing better with higher fat intake initially. I'm somewhere between 15-18% bf. Every low fat attempt leaves me inflamed and water-logged with poor digestion lol. Yes, even with the most Peat-approved approaches. (no starch, carrots/mushrooms, micronutrient dense foods, paying attention to food allergies, managing water intake, etc). I don't have to be anywhere near as meticulous when fats are higher.
Thought I'd share. Didn't anticipate writing a wall of text, though. Ha.