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Perry Staltic

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An interesting map that shows the historical growth of Ukraine since 1654. You will have to enlarge it to really see the details, but basically only the part in bright green was independent Ukraine in 1654 and everything else either was taken from Russia and other states ( eg, Turkey, Poland) by imperial Russia, or was gifted to Ukraine, both legally and illegally (eg Crimea), by communist Moscow. So nationalist Ukrainians at a minimum should acknowledge Russia's role in the formation of their country, but instead they embrace a historically fictional nationalism based on hatred of Russia. Hate always destroys the hater, and we are witnessing that happen in real-time.

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Perry Staltic said:
An interesting map that shows the historical growth of Ukraine since 1654. You will have to enlarge it to really see the details, but basically only the part in bright green was independent Ukraine in 1654 and everything else either was taken from Russia and other states ( eg, Turkey, Poland) by imperial Russia, or was gifted to Ukraine, both legally and illegally (eg Crimea), by communist Moscow. So nationalist Ukrainians at a minimum should acknowledge Russia's role in the formation of their country, but instead they embrace a historically fictional nationalism based on hatred of Russia. Hate always destroys the hater, and we are witnessing that happen in real-time.

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So there was a moment in history when the Ukrainians themselves asked to join Russian Empire to not be eaten by the Poles. Forgot in which century - probably even before historical upstarts - US - came into existence. :)
 
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So there was a moment in history when the Ukrainians themselves asked to join Russian Empire to not be eaten by the Poles. Forgot in which century - probably even before historical upstarts - US - came into existence. :)
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That map says it was in 1654
 
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Washington Post: Pentagon opens sweeping review of clandestine psychological operations​


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The Pentagon has ordered a sweeping audit of how it conducts clandestine information warfare after major social media companies identified and took offline fake accounts suspected of being run by the U.S. military in violation of the platforms’ rules.

Colin Kahl, the undersecretary of defense for policy, last week instructed the military commands that engage in psychological operations online to provide a full accounting of their activities by next month after the White House and some federal agencies expressed mounting concerns over the Defense Department’s attempted manipulation of audiences overseas, according to several defense and administration officials familiar with the matter.

Pentagon policy and doctrine discourage the military from peddling falsehoods, but there are no specific rules mandating the use of truthful information for psychological operations. For instance, the military sometimes employs fiction and satire for persuasion purposes, but generally the messages are supposed to stick to facts, officials said.

The review also found that while there were cases in which fictitious information was pushed by the military, they were the result of inadequate oversight of contractors and personnel training — not systemic problems, officials said. <----- yeah, right

Article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...on-psychological-operations-facebook-twitter/

Interesting to skim the study - Evaluating 5 years of pro-Western covert influence operations
 
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This is very interesting because it shows that RAF captured Kherson, a large part of Zaporozhye, and the Donetsk coast first. These areas are crucial to Russia more than anything else because holding them secures the water source to Crimea and a land bridge from Russia to that water source (the Dnieper). Extremely critical strategic objectives. That front was parallel with the one in the north. Considering that Kherson was relatively easy to capture, it further establishes in my mind that the Kiev front was just a fixing diversion to keep UAF troops away from the southern front. Once the southern goal was accomplished the northern front evaporated.


View: https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1573810083653361673
 
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I disagree. Russia seems to have thought this out. They knew where the UA counterattack was coming from, and moved their troops out of the way, This allowed them to both cause massive losses to the advancing UA forces using heavy weaponry and stretch out their supply and retreat lines with minimal losses. Kharkov was not fully ono board with Russia annexing it, but now they experience UA terror. They are likely to come around once RA takes it back. Meanwhile UA will lose their best troops, foreign mercenaries and heavy equipment. They can't hold Kharkov once they are cut off from supply. I suppose they could eat the civilians and fight to the death, but I doubt even the nazis are willing to do a repeat of the siege of Suiyang.

Russia is not fighting for this or that piece of land. Land is meaningless. Ability to fight matters, and Russia lost none, while UA lost a lot, maybe most of what it had left, during the offensive.

The West could conceivably try to reinforce, but how? Fancy weaponry won't matter now that UA is collapsing, and how many mercenaries are you actually going to manage to man the front lines? Who is willing to fight? Mercs have training, but they won't want to die under artillery fire, and they are very costly. Maybe african mercenaries from a warlord could be affordable fodder. Fancy weapons manned by Americans. But European economy is collapsing already and winter is coming. Russia will be fighting with combined arms, winter preparation and reliable supple and rotation. Anyone coming to fight for Ukraine won't.

Russia has also bee preparing for a long war for years. I understand they had ammo for three years of full on war with NATO, and this is a peacetime expeditionary force using mostly decades of ammo. I don't think they will run out anytime soon, and it is likely they are already adjusting ammo production to match demand.

I watched a western propaganda video of the offensive. I found it interesting. tldr: UA spent three days trying to storm an abandoned village with a Russian garrison. After which Russian blew up their ammo and left under the cover of night and artillery. No mention of casualties, but UA did spend three days there, and had to fall back at least once, so they definitely had losses. Russia might have just a single squad there who left before they got surrounded.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd6wKHmrb5U


The interesting part here is how they define victory. They took a village. So? It has empty buildings. You can buy those for next to nothing in most countries. Soldiers are valuable.
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Haha more great analysis from the shills. Don't even have to argue with you guys just quote you back in a couple of weeks. Talk about a contrarian indicator.

Where's german officer gone? Hope he hasn't disappeared in embarrassment.
 
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Haha more great analysis from the shills. Don't even have to argue with you guys just quote you back in a couple of weeks. Talk about a contrarian indicator.

Where's german officer gone? Hope he hasn't disappeared in embarrassment.
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Always here. But unlike you able to handle highly complex and dynamic situations.

Where were you unfit-for-service guy when I called you out under your last posts?

And speaking of embarrassment: where is your one-million-army that would Route the Russians by end of summer as you „predicted“ month ago?
 
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Regina said:

View: https://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1574173794192736261


No idea where your dislike of Webb comes from.

I have found him rather consistently to be correct.
He has been indefatiguable in his efforts and does say "oops" when he's on the wrong trail.
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But where is he supposed to know these things from? What secret circles of obviously highest power broker in their kitchens. Times and dates of secret peace deals between super-billionaires and two super powers involved?

It reads like catering to an audience of political fiction / conspiracy readers.

But let’s wait and see. I’d be very surprised if we see a peach deal or even a cease fire before the next phase of offensives from either side, and that might likely be after coming winter earliest. So if there is a cease fire sometimes around the November elections Webb might be onto something.
 
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