Those who think covid does not exist or is much harmless - pls debate some people with other opinions!

[CiggyTardust]

Do any of you personally know people who got injected and became ill, especially seriously ill? How reliable is VAERS, when it's self reported, and most people don't even know about it or think to report bad reactions to it? Many videos of purported reactions to the injections could be actors, just as MSM reports of "overwhelmed" hospitals are fake.

I've known a couple people who died suddenly or were carted off to the hospital in emergency situations for heart and kidney related issues. No one will admit or even ask if the injection was the cause... I suspect it was.

The numbers on VAERS are notoriously underreported... a 2009 study from Harvard found the reports to be as low as 1% of actual adverse events. That was before Covid-19 when I read reports of the database not even working when doctors tried to log a report... constant crashes. The process is laborious and most don't have 30+ minutes to work with a buggy government website to log adverse events. So even if the official numbers aren't 1% of actual adverse events, they are certainly a small fraction of what's actually occurred. I think it will take years for us to even realize the effects.

You sound skeptical of doubts raised here. Our concerns are based on readily available information (if you know where to look... Google actively censors and suppresses dissent). What we have is many doctors speaking out about the dozens of ways this technology could cause illness in the short and long term.

 

[Perry Staltic]

How reliable is VAERS, when it's self reported, and most people don't even know about it or think to report bad reactions to it?

Some study concluded that most VAERS reports are reported by medical professionals. If anything adverse events are under-reported for the reason you mentioned and others. I know an MD who said months ago that she had seen about 70 adverse reactions, but only reported a few because it takes at least 30 minutes to fill out each report and she just doesn't have the time.

 

[Drareg]

The fact threads like this need to be started is evidence of how fraudulent this "pandemic" reaction is, we wouldn‘t need to debate what was done to society if it was a genuine pandemic and not a fraudulent use of a PCR test to justify a bank bailout and curb inflation, the reason would be deaths all around us effecting everyone’s lives, what we have are moderate death spikes caused by abuse of intubation and poisoning the elderly with midazolam and other "antivirals".

This forum is full of information that can be searched so start there, a debate on Reddit and twitter is pointless when they clearly censor.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Do any of you personally know people who got injected and became ill, especially seriously ill? How reliable is VAERS, when it's self reported, and most people don't even know about it or think to report bad reactions to it? Many videos of purported reactions to the injections could be actors, just as MSM reports of "overwhelmed" hospitals are fake.

It's possible (although I think highly unlikely).... but still wouldn't make me even consider taking the demonvax.

Even if all the VAERS reports are fake or due to other causes..... there is still no long term safety data on the demonvax. The actual results from the RCTs are pathetic, showing a 1.3% Absolute Risk Reduction of mild cases of "Covid." There is no data about deaths or serious cases (cause they didn't bother to study it), and the indications that the trials themselves were plagued with fraud (as Peter Doshi pointed out in January). Not to mention 2 months of interim trial data is basically useless. Even the idea of boosters shows that the demonvax doesn't work. All for something that is estimated to have a 99.8% recovery rate.

Even if the chances of an adverse reaction were only 1 in a Million.... I still find that unacceptably high for the so called "protection" being offered.

 

[tankasnowgod]

The fact threads like this need to be started is evidence of how fraudulent this "pandemic" reaction is, we wouldn‘t need to debate what was done to society if it was a genuine pandemic and not a fraudulent use of a PCR test to justify a bank bailout and curb inflation, the reason would be deaths all around us effecting everyone’s lives, what we have are moderate death spikes caused by abuse of intubation and poisoning the elderly with midazolam and other "antivirals".

This forum is full of information that can be searched so start there, a debate on Reddit and twitter is pointless when they clearly censor.

Right?

No one has seen people dropping dead in the street. No one has seen a mass of bodies. No one has seen nightclub like lineups outside of hospitals, due to insane overcrowding. Though they are attempting to do overcrowding from the Supply side now, by firing doctors and nurses.

Truthfully, the fact that they have now had a few ROUNDS of layoffs/firings of doctors, nurses and medical staff exposes this fake pandemic as totally fake. If there were even a possibility it were real (and the goal was to help people), that sort of thing would not happen. You'd be calling older medical professionals out of retirement, recruiting specialists from other fields into "Covid Care" units, and promoting medical students more aggressively than normal.

 

[Kayaker]

People have had long covid before the vaxx came out. Poor health makes people susceptible to metabolic damage from viruses, which manifest as variable forms of chronic fatigue syndrome.

 

[Broken man]

Its impossible to argument about this and I am not talking just about this forum but overall. Why? Every doctor or health specialist has other opinion, they cant agree on something too and when you are talking with other people with no medical background, they just google search what you told them and show you web page saying that what you told is fake....... They told that the biggest expert on viruses is talking lies at my country which is horrible because its known expert even by doctors from other countries. The more pressure countries like mine will put on vaccination the more I will be sure that something is wrong. I have autoimmune disease and I was told that I have weak immunity, after four positive covid tests, I never felt it......To be honest, I dont know what you want to argument about, the only thing that is really sad is that people are still dying now even there are thing that can help or prevent death. For me, its huge bull**** and country like sweden is great example of how stupid other are.

 

[ThinkPerceive]

This is the Ray Peat Forum. Way before Covid, Ray spoke and wrote about the dangers of the ramping up of vaccines in the 1980s. Decades before Q, he was onto the dark agenda of the ruling elite.

I had an email exchange with Peat a few years ago on this. His views are WAY more subtle - and interesting - than this ridiculous "it's a Plot! They are out to get us!! Evil!! Death!! Baaaaaad!!!!!!" narrative here.

 

[Kayaker]

I had an email exchange with Peat a few years ago on this. His views are WAY more subtle - and interesting - than this ridiculous "it's a Plot! They are out to get us!! Evil!! Death!! Baaaaaad!!!!!!" narrative here.

Are you saying the elite don't want more power?

 

[ThinkPerceive]

The numbers on VAERS are notoriously underreported... a 2009 study from Harvard found the reports to be as low as 1% of actual adverse events. That was before Covid-19

VAERS is NOT a "had a bad reaction to vaccines" dataset. It collects ALL reactions even if known to be unrelated. If I get a shot then walk out the door and struck by a meteor, that gets listed into VAERS.

VAERS isn't going to tell anyone anything useful, unless there's a very thorough statistical analysis.

I don't know about the completeness issue. I do know that doctors are required to enter the data by law, and there are repercussions if they don't. But even if there's a 100% complete dataset, you and I aren't going to get anything useful out of it.

 

[ThinkPerceive]

Are you saying the elite don't want more power?

I'm saying people here are misrepresenting what Peat says, and lumping him in with every favorite conspiracy theory and plot out there.

 

[Kayaker]

I'm saying people here are misrepresenting what Peat says, and lumping him in with every favorite conspiracy theory and plot out there.

One of Peat's main points is corruption in Big Pharma and other industries.

 

[Lord Cola]

I'm saying people here are misrepresenting what Peat says, and lumping him in with every favorite conspiracy theory and plot out there.

People are writing their own opinions here. Rarely does anyone "lump" Peat with their "favorite conspiracy theory". And Peat stated in an interview that whatever the ruling class is up to is likely far worse than what people could imagine. I think he said that in an interview with Roddy. Many of his writings concern government and corporate corruption. These are inseparable from his work.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I had an email exchange with Peat a few years ago on this. His views are WAY more subtle - and interesting - than this ridiculous "it's a Plot! They are out to get us!! Evil!! Death!! Baaaaaad!!!!!!" narrative here.

I don't know what your private communication with Dr. Peat was a few years ago, but he has openly discussed the likely possibility that the Covid Shots are a depopulation campaign. For example, in this interview with Danny Roddy and Georgi Dinkov in March of this year-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZLAmwBObdA&t=1148s


Doesn't sound "subtle," nor does he think a mass scale depopulation plot is "ridiculous." Maybe you are the one misrepresenting his views?

 

[ThinkPerceive]

People are writing their own opinions here. Rarely does anyone "lump" Peat with their "favorite conspiracy theory". And Peat stated in an interview that whatever the ruling class is up to is likely far worse than what people could imagine. I think he said that in an interview with Roddy. Many of his writings concern government and corporate corruption. These are inseparable from his work.

I'm aware of that, and I've heard his interviews and read his papers. Once again I can confidently say that his views are way more interesting and intelligent than most seem to realize - who seem to take his words simply as a validation of their own beliefs and then stop listening/reading/thinking about what he says.

Totally my opinion - one of many here I imagine.

And by "lumping" I'm referring to the very loud and frequent repeating of conspiracy theory. I'm sure there are other views here they are just less obvious.

 

[ThinkPerceive]

I don't know what your private communication with Dr. Peat was a few years ago, but he has openly discussed the likely possibility that the Covid Shots are a depopulation campaign.

I've sometimes wondered if in his later years he's been losing it. If he really said that and believes it then he's no longer credible. That's frankly just stupid.

Personally I've been getting as many shots as I can. Three so far and more when it's time. On top of the maybe a hundred over my life, and my friends/family are the same. Nobody's been "depopulated" yet.

 

[Lord Cola]

I'm aware of that, and I've heard his interviews and read his papers. Once again I can confidently say that his views are way more interesting and intelligent than most seem to realize - who seem to take his words simply as a validation of their own beliefs and then stop listening/reading/thinking about what he says.

Totally my opinion - one of many here I imagine.

And by "lumping" I'm referring to the very loud and frequent repeating of conspiracy theory. I'm sure there are other views here they are just less obvious.

When you're lumping someone with something, you are conflating that person with what you're talking about. Just because people talk about conspiracies on this website named after him doesn't mean the things people talk about here are necessarily related to him. Regarding esoteric Peat, the things he says are usually unambiguous and have been for a long time, and he usually backs what he says with evidence. He has been talking about the dangers of pharmaceutical substances for decades. Why is it surprising that he is warning about the dangers of experimental drugs with no long-term safety data that people are being pressured to take, to purportedly help them avoid dying from a low mortality rate virus for a few months?

 

[tankasnowgod]

I've sometimes wondered if in his later years he's been losing it. If he really said that and believes it then he's no longer credible. That's frankly just stupid.

Lol. You get called out for being deceptive with an actual interview, and now you are trying to call Dr. Peat's credibility into question.

Has your account been hacked?

Personally I've been getting as many shots as I can.

Probably has been hacked. Clearly, you haven't been listening to Ray Peat for that long. He has explicitly stated, many times prior to 2019, that you should wait at least 20 years to take a new drug, as that's when you have a much better understanding of the side effects. There isn't even 2 year safety data from the original clinical trials, because the original trials didn't even start 2 years ago.

Three so far and more when it's time. On top of the maybe a hundred over my life, and my friends/family are the same. Nobody's been "depopulated" yet.

Lol, Ridiculous. Again, I will point out that none of the so called "Covid Vaccines" are like traditional vaccines. Pfizer and Moderna are both mRNA shots, and entirely new class of drug.

And you still didn't lay out how you had a hundred vaccines in your lifetime. Again, the really aggressive child schedule only has 50. If you are older than 35, you likely got far fewer vaccinations, as the drug companies didn't have liability protection prior to 1986.

There have been an absolute skyrocketing in the VAERS reports. Plus, if you know anything about bad reactions to drugs, you know that that usually happen after being taken chronically. There's lots of ways to depopulate, if it renders a significant number of people in their teens, 20s, 30s and 40s sterile, that would be a good way to go about it. And yes, there are fertility complaints (along with spontaneous abortions) on the VAERS reports.

 

[Perry Staltic]

I don't know about the completeness issue. I do know that doctors are required to enter the data by law, and there are repercussions if they don't.

Only those who administer vaccines are required to report, and most people who administer them (CVS, Walmart. etc.) won't even know about adverse events to be able to report them.

 

[Perry Staltic]

VAERS isn't going to tell anyone anything useful, unless there's a very thorough statistical analysis.

VAERS data have been used to claim vaccine safety. Now the nearly 60-fold increase in yearly deaths is being ignored.