Those who think covid does not exist or is much harmless - pls debate some people with other opinions!

[Lord Cola]

I've known a couple people who died suddenly or were carted off to the hospital in emergency situations for heart and kidney related issues. No one will admit or even ask if the injection was the cause... I suspect it was.

The numbers on VAERS are notoriously underreported... a 2009 study from Harvard found the reports to be as low as 1% of actual adverse events. That was before Covid-19 when I read reports of the database not even working when doctors tried to log a report... constant crashes. The process is laborious and most don't have 30+ minutes to work with a buggy government website to log adverse events. So even if the official numbers aren't 1% of actual adverse events, they are certainly a small fraction of what's actually occurred. I think it will take years for us to even realize the effects.

You sound skeptical of doubts raised here. Our concerns are based on readily available information (if you know where to look... Google actively censors and suppresses dissent). What we have is many doctors speaking out about the dozens of ways this technology could cause illness in the short and long term.

I am skeptical of VAERS data that is being frequently used in arguments about the dangers of the injections, partly because people are being manipulated regarding what constitutes an adverse reaction. I'm aware of the doctors and scientists warning about the dangers.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I am skeptical of VAERS data that is being frequently used in arguments about the dangers of the injections, partly because people are being manipulated regarding what constitutes an adverse reaction. I'm aware of the doctors and scientists warning about the dangers.

Well, what else is there to go on? Anecdotal Reports on Social Media? Reports from other databases? Pfzier only released 6 months worth of trial data. The other companies still haven't gone beyond the 2 month data, to my knowledge.

With the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976, a small fraction of associated (but not confirmed) death reports were enough to get it totally pulled from the market. It was around 100 deaths that got it pulls. So, despite 180x more reported deaths to VAERS (which was supposed to act as an "early warning sign"), they Covid shots, which don't even have FDA approval (it doesn't appear that "Cormirnaty" is actually available anywhere) still continue to wreck their havoc.

 

[Perry Staltic]

I am skeptical of VAERS data that is being frequently used in arguments about the dangers of the injections, partly because people are being manipulated regarding what constitutes an adverse reaction. I'm aware of the doctors and scientists warning about the dangers.

You ought to read some of them to see what kind of adverse reactions they're having, and then see if you think the same.

 

[Motif]

Guys what is this?

That’s not what this thread was supposed to be.


A lot of answers, but nobody wants to discuss with somebody with science or biology background with another opinion?



I swear you guys are exactly like those people „on the other side“ who avoid those discussions.

It’s so annoying. People who stay in their little bubble everywhere.

 

[Perry Staltic]

With the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976, a small fraction of associated (but not confirmed) death reports were enough to get it totally pulled from the market. It was around 100 deaths that got it pulls. So, despite 180x more reported deaths to VAERS (which was supposed to act as an "early warning sign"), they Covid shots, which don't even have FDA approval (it doesn't appear that "Cormirnaty" is actually available anywhere) still continue to wreck their havoc.

I believe it was about 50 deaths, and VAERS is up to 20,000, so that's a 400-fold increase.

 

[Lord Cola]

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[Ben.]

Guys what is this?

That’s not what this thread was supposed to be.


A lot of answers, but nobody wants to discuss with somebody with science or biology background with another opinion?



I swear you guys are exactly like those people „on the other side“ who avoid those discussions.

It’s so annoying. People who stay in their little bubble everywhere.

All there was in this thread, was a person randomly trowh in "vaccines are safe" and "people here are conspiracy theorists and therefore the information presented here is invalid based on this judgment i just made upon the group of people frequenting this forum".

Unless you can make a scientific pro appear in the forum, ready to discuss all the data and all the counter arguments, then this thread doesn't serve much of a purpose, woudn't you agree?

 

[Motif]

All there was in this thread, was a person randomly trowh in "vaccines are safe" and "people here are conspiracy theorists and therefore the information presented here is invalid based on this judgment i just made upon the group of people frequenting this forum".

Unless you can make a scientific pro appear in the forum, ready to discuss all the data and all the counter arguments, then this thread doesn't serve much of a purpose, woudn't you agree?

This forum doesn’t accept new members!

Somebody needs to go to reddit and discuss there.

Should be easy?

 

[Lord Cola]

You ought to read some of them to see what kind of adverse reactions they're having, and then see if you think the same.

Yes the adverse reactions sound terrible.

Apparently most people where I am have been injected, but I don't know anyone, even older people, who suffered these serious symptoms, and I would prefer it stay that way, but this makes me skeptical about the data. I realize my anecdotal evidence isn't enough to confirm anything related to this though.

 

[ThinkPerceive]

VAERS data have been used to claim vaccine safety. Now the nearly 60-fold increase in yearly deaths is being ignored.

And you just know it's caused by vaccines? How? Where are all the vaccine victims not filling up hospitals? Why can't any study find problems? Are they ALL "in on the plot"?? Really?

 

[ThinkPerceive]

Lol. You get called out for being deceptive with an actual interview, and now you are trying to call Dr. Peat's credibility into question.

Has your account been hacked?

Probably has been hacked. Clearly, you haven't been listening to Ray Peat for that long. He has explicitly stated, many times prior to 2019, that you should wait at least 20 years to take a new drug, as that's when you have a much better understanding of the side effects. There isn't even 2 year safety data from the original clinical trials, because the original trials didn't even start 2 years ago.

Lol, Ridiculous. Again, I will point out that none of the so called "Covid Vaccines" are like traditional vaccines. Pfizer and Moderna are both mRNA shots, and entirely new class of drug.

And you still didn't lay out how you had a hundred vaccines in your lifetime. Again, the really aggressive child schedule only has 50. If you are older than 35, you likely got far fewer vaccinations, as the drug companies didn't have liability protection prior to 1986.

There have been an absolute skyrocketing in the VAERS reports. Plus, if you know anything about bad reactions to drugs, you know that that usually happen after being taken chronically. There's lots of ways to depopulate, if it renders a significant number of people in their teens, 20s, 30s and 40s sterile, that would be a good way to go about it. And yes, there are fertility complaints (along with spontaneous abortions) on the VAERS reports.

Intentionally misinterpreting what I say isn't a good look, and I have no inclination to defend myself from fluff like this. But nice of you to just make up ***t about me.

 

[ThinkPerceive]

One of Peat's main points is corruption in Big Pharma and other industries.

Yep I'm quite aware of that. Goodness I think I listened to all of his interviews on virtually every venue he spoke on - up until 2018 or so.

But "corruption" in some industries isn't the whole story, and doesn't necessarily translate into "it's a big evil cabal and they are ALL OUT TO GET US". "Big pharma" isn't the only medical group in the world, by far, and the idea that every single group - private, public, big, large, educational, for-profit, nonprofit etc - in the world are all "in on the plot". It's just absurd.

 

[Perry Staltic]

And you just know it's caused by vaccines? How? Where are all the vaccine victims not filling up hospitals? Why can't any study find problems? Are they ALL "in on the plot"?? Really?

Pretty strong signal that the injuries are vaccine related. The vaccine injured are visiting hospitals in large numbers, but they get discharged because the doctor's don't know what to do, or they die and doctors who suspect, or know, it was vaccine related are told to keep their mouths shut. Things like this pop up frequently.


View: https://twitter.com/JustNurseSarah/status/1466075202811580419

 

[Perry Staltic]

And you just know it's caused by vaccines? How? Where are all the vaccine victims not filling up hospitals? Why can't any study find problems? Are they ALL "in on the plot"?? Really?

And you just know it's not caused by vaccines? How?

 

[Lord Cola]

Well, what else is there to go on? Anecdotal Reports on Social Media? Reports from other databases? Pfzier only released 6 months worth of trial data. The other companies still haven't gone beyond the 2 month data, to my knowledge.

With the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976, a small fraction of associated (but not confirmed) death reports were enough to get it totally pulled from the market. It was around 100 deaths that got it pulls. So, despite 180x more reported deaths to VAERS (which was supposed to act as an "early warning sign"), they Covid shots, which don't even have FDA approval (it doesn't appear that "Cormirnaty" is actually available anywhere) still continue to wreck their havoc.

There isn't much else as far as I know, and that's ridiculous. How could the people who repeat "vaccines are safe and effective" possibly know what they're saying is true, and how could these people not want to know if there is, at the very least, a satisfactory system in place to ensure good quality data about negative effects before claiming they're safe? Aside from the fact that it's impossible to know at this point the long term effects, which undermines their entire statement.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Right?

No one has seen people dropping dead in the street. No one has seen a mass of bodies. No one has seen nightclub like lineups outside of hospitals, due to insane overcrowding. Though they are attempting to do overcrowding from the Supply side now, by firing doctors and nurses.

Truthfully, the fact that they have now had a few ROUNDS of layoffs/firings of doctors, nurses and medical staff exposes this fake pandemic as totally fake. If there were even a possibility it were real (and the goal was to help people), that sort of thing would not happen. You'd be calling older medical professionals out of retirement, recruiting specialists from other fields into "Covid Care" units, and promoting medical students more aggressively than normal.

I think they are forcing doctors to work in Greece. Now that most have taken the vaccine...

 

[Kayaker]

Yep I'm quite aware of that. Goodness I think I listened to all of his interviews on virtually every venue he spoke on - up until 2018 or so.

But "corruption" in some industries isn't the whole story, and doesn't necessarily translate into "it's a big evil cabal and they are ALL OUT TO GET US". "Big pharma" isn't the only medical group in the world, by far, and the idea that every single group - private, public, big, large, educational, for-profit, nonprofit etc - in the world are all "in on the plot". It's just absurd.

Strawman argument. Neither I said that, nor am I aware of anyone here who believes that.

There's a large group of billionaires called the World Economic Forum. They work together to enrich and empower themselves farther. There's also a few small groups of mega-billionaires. The idea that they control everything is absurd. They control the mainstream because that's what the maximum amount of people consume. There is an organized attempt to censor opposition on the internet. The WEF wants internet anonymity to end in the name of "cybersecurity". Look it up.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Intentionally misinterpreting what I say isn't a good look, and I have no inclination to defend myself from fluff like this. But nice of you to just make up ***t about me.

What did I make up about you?

You claimed that Peat didn't believe in a "plot," and I provided a publicly available interview that discredited that idea. It's especially silly, since Danny Roddy has an interview with Peat titled "The CIA's Mighty Wurlitzer" from 2017 where Peat talks about a lot of potential larger conspiracies-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtTiDVWVlQc


I suggested your account may have been hacked, because someone who has been looking at Peat's work for five years should have come across the warning about new drugs. I don't know why you would have taken 3 mRNA injections so far, and still be welcoming the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and so on. No vaccine has ever needed a booster this quick for one single virus.

Also, I am still waiting for an explanation of how you have had 100 vaccines. Certainly not impossible, but it seems high, even by today's standards, if you are in your late 20s or so.

 

[Broken man]

Yes the adverse reactions sound terrible.

Apparently most people where I am have been injected, but I don't know anyone, even older people, who suffered these serious symptoms, and I would prefer it stay that way, but this makes me skeptical about the data. I realize my anecdotal evidence isn't enough to confirm anything related to this though.

I would like to know what part of world is your home but can tell you that I know alot of people that have side effects from vaccine and got covid aswell... Its hard to find some info against covid vaccine but tell me what is your point? Why are you deffending covid vaccine? Even the less smart people I know see the propaganda behind it and more and more information about the truth is coming up, dont you see it?

 

[tankasnowgod]

A lot of answers, but nobody wants to discuss with somebody with science or biology background with another opinion?

I mean, where is that person?

I swear you guys are exactly like those people „on the other side“ who avoid those discussions.

It’s so annoying. People who stay in their little bubble everywhere.

Again, what is there to discuss?

The original "Covid Prophecy" claimed there would be 20-50-65 or even 500 Million deaths FROM Covid in 18 months! Well, it's now been two years, and even taking the fraudulent WITH Covid number at face value, there is less than 5.25 Million Deaths (with six additional months)- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

That's not a "Pandemic." Over two years, you would expect about 14-16 Million Deaths from Reparatory Diseases. So, Covid, is about 30-40% of expected respiratory deaths, if anything, and 4-5% of all deaths. I base this on reported deaths from 2017. If you add the categories for Respiratory Disease, Lower respiratory infections, Tuberculosis, and Malaria together, and multiply by 2, you can see what I'm basing this on.

Of course, as the Colpo article I cited earlier pointed out, about 95% of those deaths are from Co-Morbidities. So, the "real" Covid death number is more on the order of 300-400,000 over the course of two years.

Do you dispute the World O Meter figures?

Do you dispute the 95% of Associated Co-Morbidities as reported by the CDC?

Do you question the figures I posted from 2017?

If not, the only thing left to discuss is if 5 Million Deaths over 2 years constitutes a "Pandemic." If it does, why haven't we seen a lot more coverage of the Cancer Pandemic, and Heart Disease Pandemic, that together claimed 50 Million lives in the same two years? Or, got roughly equal coverage for the Dementia Pandemic?

There is no need for debate. Get anyone from the "Other Side" to engage with these real world figures.