The NoFap Thread: Get In Here!

[FacelessMan]

So after 3 weeks nofap you feel "kind of amazing"?

Sorry...Should have clarified more. It's kind of amazing that I don't have a desire for it. It's like something that has had power over me for so long, I now have power over. It does give confidence for sure. The thought of porn as well is not appealing to me. Yes I have felt urges and still have a sex drive of a healthy male, but I am in control of it. Its just something I haven't felt before. Kind of difficult to explain.

 

[Atman]

I am very interested in what Constantine touts about masturbation dulling the enrvous system and desentitiving the dopamine receptors in the brain. Low dopamine sensitiivty can also increase serotononin and easily lead to anhedonia...

I am pretty sure, that is one of its effects.

The irony is, 100 years ago before medicine became purely mechanistic and financially motivated, physicians talked and wrote about masturbation and its causes and effects. It's like people are now rediscovering/exploring these issues by themselves in the same way it is also happening with nutrition/diet (Ray Peat).
I am currently reading a German book from 1902 by a physician called Hermann Rohleder with the title:
"Die Masturbation. Eine Monographie für Ärzte, Pädagogen und gebildete Eltern."
<=> "The masturbation. A monograph for physicians, pedagogues and educated parents."
Die Masturbation; eine Monographie für Ärzte, Pädagogen und gebildete Eltern : Rohleder, Hermann, 1866- : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
It covers many of the same aspects, people started discussing in recent years.

 

[sladerunner69]

I am pretty sure, that is one of its effects.

The irony is, 100 years ago before medicine became purely mechanistic and financially motivated, physicians talked and wrote about masturbation and its causes and effects. It's like people are now rediscovering/exploring these issues by themselves in the same way it is also happening with nutrition/diet (Ray Peat).
I am currently reading a German book from 1902 by a physician called Hermann Rohleder with the title:
"Die Masturbation. Eine Monographie für Ärzte, Pädagogen und gebildete Eltern."
<=> "The masturbation. A monograph for physicians, pedagogues and educated parents."
Die Masturbation; eine Monographie für Ärzte, Pädagogen und gebildete Eltern : Rohleder, Hermann, 1866- : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
It covers many of the same aspects, people started discussing in recent years.

So what is the general conclusion approached in that text? That masturbation is mostly harmful because it i a waste of dopamine? I think I may read it myself but I am jsut beginning a new semester as a student and have plenty of reading on my hand as it is...

 

[Atman]

So what is the general conclusion approached in that text? That masturbation is mostly harmful because it i a waste of dopamine? I think I may read it myself but I am jsut beginning a new semester as a student and have plenty of reading on my hand as it is...

I've just started reading a few chapters of it, it's pretty extensive.
Chronic, frequent masturbation is treated like an illness with various causes and consequences which may vary on an individual basis. He doesn't talk about braintransmitters like dopamine (dopamine was discovered ~1960 in the human body), but about the overstimulation of the nervous system. The whole description is much more symptomatic compared to modern medical textbooks. For example he writes that many chronic masturbators complain about poor memory, poor intellectual performance and even digestion problems.

 

[Parsifal]

So masturbation downregulates dopamine receptors but sex doesn't?

 

[nikolabeacon]

So masturbation downregulates dopamine receptors but sex doesn't?

. For me all Those talk about dopamine is somehow tricky. It is complex because It has to do with nature of your actions/feelings. Some can have dopamine effects But drain life creating energy. See my posts from previous page. It is all about to be open to yourself and be able to differentiate weather It is compulsion or a real need from Love towards A female.

 

[DaveFoster]

So masturbation downregulates dopamine receptors but sex doesn't?

The exercise portion of sex probably attenuates the negative effects, and likely results in a net benefit. Exercise powerfully upregulates dopamine; particularly intense, short bursts.

If you think about an ideal lovemaking scenario (conceptualized), it begins with slow foreplay and progresses into low-intensity movement; at its climax there exists a brief 2-3 minute period of intense exertion, followed by a rest period.

 

[sladerunner69]

So masturbation downregulates dopamine receptors but sex doesn't?

I believe it's the chronic veiwing of intense pornographic films that downregulates dopamine receptors. Drugs like weed and heroin have been proven to downregulate dopamine because they cause a strong release of dopamine and overtime it desenitizes the nerves... I could see how pornography could have the same effect...

 

[Tenacity]

The exercise portion of sex probably attenuates the negative effects, and likely results in a net benefit. Exercise powerfully upregulates dopamine; particularly intense, short bursts.

If you think about an ideal lovemaking scenario (conceptualized), it begins with slow foreplay and progresses into low-intensity movement; at its climax there exists a brief 2-3 minute period of intense exertion, followed by a rest period.

What if one had a really vigorous solo-sesh?

 

[ilikecats]

Psychosexual stimulation and plasma testosterone in man

 

[FacelessMan]

I'm on day 23 now. Still going strong. I have noticed my balls are very full and hang noticeably lower than before. Confidence is high. Sex drive seems high, but not fapping is easy and I have no compulsion to. Definitely can feel the built up "sexual energy" if you will. Have been trying to work out and do physical things to use the energy. Anyone else noticing anything similar?

 

[tankasnowgod]

So masturbation downregulates dopamine receptors but sex doesn't?

I don't think it's necessarily masturbation.... I think it's the frequency of the act. I've heard that when kings and such used to keep harems, it wasn't primarily for pleasure, it was for an excess of offspring. Many harems actually tracked when a woman was most fertile, and only then would the king (or whoever) have sex with that woman. It was actually quite exhausting and draining. While I'm sure many guys would like to try and impregnate, say, 100 women in a years time, physically it would be verrrrrry difficult to do.

The requirement to have a willing partner will dramatically cut down the number of times you can have sex, as compared to a solo session (which can pretty much be had on demand). The advent of internet pr0n dramatically increased the amount of solo sessions. On some NoFap threads, some guys claim to have been doing *IT* multiple times a day for years, decades even. Gary Wilson even calls it "An Internet Harem."

I also don't think the whole "surge of dopamine" and "receptor downregulation" theory is accurate, or if it is, that that is the only thing that's going on. Remember, ejaculatory fluid is one of the things that produces new human life (at least until science renders men obsolete), so there might be a lot of resources and energy that our bodies devote to that, and the sexual act itself.

 

[tankasnowgod]

If you think about an ideal lovemaking scenario (conceptualized), it begins with slow foreplay and progresses into low-intensity movement; at its climax there exists a brief 2-3 minute period of intense exertion, followed by a rest period.

Truthfully, it actually begins long before that. Just meeting a girlfriend, partner, or even a one night stand can take days, weeks, months..... Then there's courtship, trust, dating and so on and so on....

Contrast that with firing up your computer and so on and so on.....

 

[sladerunner69]

Truthfully, it actually begins long before that. Just meeting a girlfriend, partner, or even a one night stand can take days, weeks, months..... Then there's courtship, trust, dating and so on and so on....

Contrast that with firing up your computer and so on and so on.....

Clearly you dont live anywhere near Los Angeles... Even the most repulsive low-life pond scum types can go out to a bar, restauraunt, club, shopping center, wherever and pick up a girl and be taking her back to their place in a matter of days hours or even minutes (if their pick-up artistry skills are fine-tuned )

 

[Dante]

I don't think it's necessarily masturbation.... I think it's the frequency of the act. I've heard that when kings and such used to keep harems, it wasn't primarily for pleasure, it was for an excess of offspring. Many harems actually tracked when a woman was most fertile, and only then would the king (or whoever) have sex with that woman. It was actually quite exhausting and draining. While I'm sure many guys would like to try and impregnate, say, 100 women in a years time, physically it would be verrrrrry difficult to do.

The requirement to have a willing partner will dramatically cut down the number of times you can have sex, as compared to a solo session (which can pretty much be had on demand). The advent of internet pr0n dramatically increased the amount of solo sessions. On some NoFap threads, some guys claim to have been doing *IT* multiple times a day for years, decades even. Gary Wilson even calls it "An Internet Harem."

I also don't think the whole "surge of dopamine" and "receptor downregulation" theory is accurate, or if it is, that that is the only thing that's going on. Remember, ejaculatory fluid is one of the things that produces new human life (at least until science renders men obsolete), so there might be a lot of resources and energy that our bodies devote to that, and the sexual act itself.

I think i have to add something here. Before i came to peatland, i went to YBOP, read lot of journals and found a common theme -escalation to hardcore genres over time(bro trust me even harems get boring ,lol). I mean people go from simple women pics during early days of puberty to very specific and some very weird ***t. Now , if you have a very fast metabolism , your refractory period will be very low and you wouldn't need very hardcore/explicit to get you off. The problem with all the people was they needed very specific stuff over time including Gabe Deem and that also got boring over a period of time.
People kept jumping from one theme to another.
Also , interesting is that, if you simply leave the pornijuana for a period of time, you wouldn't need for those specific stimuli and simple stuff would again be pleasurable. At some level, desensitized D2 receptors would come into play as things which got you off before now seem boring and you need very hardcore/specific theme currently(though even that may get boring).
I remember ray told that estrogen stimulates the adrenal glands to make orgasms less satisfying.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Clearly you dont live anywhere near Los Angeles... Even the most repulsive low-life pond scum types can go out to a bar, restauraunt, club, shopping center, wherever and pick up a girl and be taking her back to their place in a matter of days hours or even minutes (if their pick-up artistry skills are fine-tuned )

Not true. I used to live in the heart of Hollywood. I escaped that Garcetti-run hell hole about a year and a half ago, and moved to Long Beach. Things are muuuuuuch better down here, although I wouldn't mind escaping the one-party state of CA, but sorry, that's another thread, isn't it?

Even still, the point stands. Even the top PUA's or "Venusian Artist's" (as Mystery was fond of calling himself) best time is still gonna pale in comparison to the time spent booting up a computer. And how long does it take to hone your PUA skills? All the books, seminars, and so on? Getting your "peacocking" gear? If you read "The Game" by Neil Strauss, you know a lot of that is a mirage, anyway.

 

[DaveFoster]

Truthfully, it actually begins long before that. Just meeting a girlfriend, partner, or even a one night stand can take days, weeks, months..... Then there's courtship, trust, dating and so on and so on....

Contrast that with firing up your computer and so on and so on.....

This is true; I would say introductions encompass part of foreplay.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

I am definitely curious about this as I feel scalp itch post orgasm

that's the prolactin spike my man

I've had a few experiences where simply standing near a woman has caused an erection, but these women would not stand out in any particular way physically other than I would get this feeling that they were aroused. Yes they were pretty, but I've stood next many pretty women and most of the time, I don't experience anything like this. But that's just a kooky theory of mine; I just wanted to share that. I will say that as I release tension in my body, I notice that certain tissues experience a "surge of energy" when I'm around an attractive woman that seems to be interested in me. Again, kind of kooky, but maybe someone here has a similar experience.

I could write more on this, but I'll stop; this is long enough.

Most likely they were ovulating. Men and even some animals can pick up on womens ovulation.

 

[ReSTART]

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved." To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors that lessen if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

Cathechism of the Roman Catholic Church ~ 2352

 

[sladerunner69]

Not true. I used to live in the heart of Hollywood. I escaped that Garcetti-run hell hole about a year and a half ago, and moved to Long Beach. Things are muuuuuuch better down here, although I wouldn't mind escaping the one-party state of CA, but sorry, that's another thread, isn't it?

Even still, the point stands. Even the top PUA's or "Venusian Artist's" (as Mystery was fond of calling himself) best time is still gonna pale in comparison to the time spent booting up a computer. And how long does it take to hone your PUA skills? All the books, seminars, and so on? Getting your "peacocking" gear? If you read "The Game" by Neil Strauss, you know a lot of that is a mirage, anyway.

Wow shocking, if you really do live around LA then Im sorry you ahvvent figurred out how vapid the women tend to be. Maybe you are too good for 'em, I know a lot of guys with that problem.

Obviously Im not contest that picking up a girl is easier then getting online and pulling up a pornographic film that does it for you.

What I am contesting is that finding a girl is really NOT that hard, and the interaction is a much better value than fapping to adult films.

But also im admitting that it often is a very hollow, vapid experience, and sadly the guys who are imeprvious to rejecton, and have small hearts, and small minds, and just general jackasses, will stand the best chance to couple up with most women. this is especially true in the hyper-materialism of LA, albeit there is a blooming underground scene (arguable covetting a just as vapid form of "alernative art" materialism).

Go to any nightclub looking "money" and showing up in an uber black, and you will have no problem getting any girls number in that joint. Doesn't even matter what you look like, as long as you arent obese. Granted, you have to be an **** and talk to every girl you can, but I know guys I hate who do that and are successful just about everytime they go out. I find it repulsive but it's LA...

You were smart to get out of hollywood. Fun place to visit occasionally or finda drink at or walk around during the day, just a terrible place to live. Its basically becoming another tijuana without the charm or the good food. Everyone is rude, uneducated, the public goods hav elong been spoiled, the police are corrupt, it's no good anymore....

I am a big fan of the venice area and going south from there. Much more affordable, much nicer folks, great beaches, lots of good times to be had.