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The NoFap Thread: Get In Here!

Discussion in 'Logs' started by DaveFoster, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. Steene

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    I don't care if he is pro masturbation or anything else he is not right every time stop treating him like a guru.
     
  2. pimpnamedraypeat

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    Sucks because topical dhea should turn into dht.
     
  3. lampofred

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    I never said he's always right. Are you just defensive/scared that maybe something you thought was bad for you maybe isn't so bad for you because there are no black and whites? Why is masturbation any different from sugar/carbs/sat fat? Everyone says they feel better in the short term when they don't eat sugar but what happens in the long run?
     
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    I dont think nofap is related to GABA or something else. In my opinion its very individual, how someone react to not masturbating. I think the majority of people who get positive results from nofap are the ones who masturbate not cause they are horny, but because they "need" to do it. I am in that category. I dont masturbate cause I'm horny. I masturbate cause i WANT TO BE HORNY. So in this case, the body dont need a release, its still "empty".

    So i think you can categorize two kind of men,

    Category 1: Men with natural high sex drive who get erections often and feel the bodily need to masturbate. I think for this kind of men, nofap is a stressor and not good.
    Category 2: Men with low sex drive. Masturbation is like a ritual, for example to sleep better. I think this kind of men will get huge benefits out of nofap.

    I wish i would be category 1, but i am category 2. And even with low sex drive its hard for me to do nofap. Sounds strange but its a fact. Cause i dont masturbate cause i feel horny. I do it cause it feels good for the time i do it (Sometimes i did hours of edging). The orgasm is not the goal. The time during masturbation feels so good, you dont want to come.

    I remember years ago, doing nofap for about 20-30 days. It was very hard but as soon as i regained a bit of my libido, i felt better overall and calmer. So no stress response of not releasing to me as i dont think i need to. Wish i could handle a long nofap time gain. I ma currently in, but only

    day 4 :D
     
  5. Steene

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    Everything sounds better in theory but in the end there are way too many factors which have to be considered.
     
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    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    It's similar to the assumptions of prohibition: alcohol must be the problem, as drunks commit violent acts. They banned alcohol; violent crimes skyrocketed. Stressed people drink alcohol, and stressed people masturbate.
    Right. We wouldn't say that masturbating makes monkeys smaller, weaker and unable to attract a mate, but certainly a low-status (hypometabolic shall we say) monkey would be prone to masturbating.
     
  7. Constatine

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    No but correlation implies causation. The very popular correlation doesn't equal causation argument is so often used to completely write something off. But evidence is in favor of the opposing view point when correlation is founded. While correlation doesn't equal causation correlation certainly doesn't equal a lack of causation.
     
  8. Fractality

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    What about the stress of no-fapping to extreme levels of horniness with no easy release (think work environment)? Last time I went for weeks without masturbating I got horny and distracted by heels clicking on the office floor. I don't like being that horny. I think 1-2 times a week (excluding sex) is an optimum amount for me.
     
  9. Constatine

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    Experience trumps all. I don't want to promote Nofap to the point it becomes dogmatic around here. If one is healthy and has a large caloric input they can certainly get away with a lot more (including things like exercise). But for many people Nofap is very helpful. I recommend people experiment with it and do what they feel is better for them rather than base their decisions on online discourses.
     
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    I'm not arguing that shaking hands with the governor remains optimal, but merely that it's adaptive, similar to say, nicotine or opiates.
     
  11. Hairfedup

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    Hey! Long time no fap attemptee...really the addiction sort of ruined/is ruining my life. Last year for the first time in around 10-12 years, I only fapped, what, 70 times or so...usually that would be the full 365, 365 days a year baby. I found that my prostate flared up for 3-5 months and my hair loss has actually gotten much worse...I really thought nofap would AID in my hair loss as per ancient sources and what I thought was good logic. I fapped maybe one to five days a month max last year on average. Any explanation as to why this is? My hair loss story is quite strange in its own right.
     
  12. Constatine

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    Lol "shaking hands with the governor". I agree that it is an adaptation many of us make to deal with stress, and in cases of unavoidable stress it may be beneficial. However in some cases coping mechanisms keep us from correctly emotionally processing our problems or from dealing with them at all. Stress reactions are there for a reason. But every case is different, thus it is important for the individual to be aware of such things so that they can make educated decisions.

    Perhaps your hair loss has nothing to do with such things. What is your health like?
     
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    True. Most of our adaptations appear in the context of immediate danger or harm, and for good reason, but there's also "intellectual adaptations" (such as learning), where we can integrate understandings of our pattern. Those would be more long-term obviously.
     
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    Will in 'The Chemistry of Natural Immunity':
    "[..]Other substances of the highest physiological importance are products of digestion of aging spermatozoa absorbed from the seminal vesicules. They improve the efficiency of muscle and nerve cell function. The amount of adenylic acid and other nuclein digestion products may not be large, but the efficiency, perhaps of some particular structure formed with the aging of the sperm is important to muscle quality, and to mental activity, and also to the oxidation mechanism in a way that improves immunity to infection. The chemistry of these substances is unknown at present, but their importance will call for their full investigation some time."
     
  15. Constatine

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    Wow. That's awesome.
     
  16. pisser

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    You have to manually ignore and avoid fantasizing. Once you have that under control, they arise, 'arise' meaning you have no control over it. There are subpersonalities that eventually communicate with you on some level "common, just this once and then you'll never fap again". They can latch onto habits, which is why it's especially difficult to obstain from primitive ones, like sex and food because it's as if you're slowly killing part of yourself. But I don't just have sexual fantasies; I fantasize about many things, for example, being successful (for how I define 'success'). I get a boost, probably a spike in dopamine, but that's the problem. I so deeply identify with the fantasy that I already get a taste of the end result and a loss of motivation follows because "why should I work for it when I could just pretend? F*ck the future". It's infantile (because it's such an outdated part of me) and embarrassing, but I think nofap may serve as a remedy for this kind of problem only if you understand the problem. There's a pathway that led to addiction, and if you're not aware of it (because addiction is a multi-leveled issue) it's going to be extremely difficult.

    I'm not religious, but this quote: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." really resonated with me. Deny yourself as in deny that one part of you that refuses to die and move forward while exposing your wounds, scars, flaws, or whatever's wrong with you. Something greater than you will arise and take its place.

    I'm a week in (after failing many times for YEARS) and I've decided to put more effort into this. The longest I went was a few months and it's been always soul crushing every time I relapsed. I dunno, maybe I'm more twisted than the average person, but I hope this encourages someone.
     
  17. SOMO

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    Is it still NoFap if you have a low libido?
     
  18. Prosper

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    Is it still a fast if you don't feel hungry?
     
  19. Luckytype

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    Is it still a boner eventhough its just blood engorgement?
     
  20. Paddington

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    Found this discussion on masturbation just now and I feel more motivated to be a fapstronaut.
    Not everyone has what it takes and they did cover NoFap and the effects of Porn consumption but it takes commitment to overcome an addiction



    I believe I can do it and you should too. It is pretty funny but it made me really think about where the world is heading for us as men if we are unable to overcome our addictions
     
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