The mainstream medical science finds a defiency in omega 3 in autistic children. According to a hair based testing my autistic son seems to be "deficent" too. And omega 3 Is one of the treatments the doctors use for autistic children. Is there a Peaterian way of explaining that?
-
MASSIVE SPRING SALE!: 15% Off All Products @ LifeGivingStore.com until June 1st With Coupon Code: SPRING2024 Click Here For Lifegivingstore.com
-
By using this site you agree to the terms, rules, and privacy policy.
-
Dear Carnivore Dieters, A Muscle Meat Only Diet is Extremely Healing Because it is a Low "vitamin A" Diet. This is Why it Works so Well...
Rest the rest of this post by clicking here
-
The Forum is transitioning to a subscription-based membership model - Click Here To Read
Click Here if you want to upgrade your account
If you were able to post but cannot do so now, send an email to admin at raypeatforum dot com and include your username and we will fix that right up for you.
Why is there an omega 3 "deficiency" in autistic children?
- Thread starter StrongMom
- Start date
Such_Saturation
Member
- Joined
- Nov 26, 2013
- Messages
- 7,370
Because they are the most unstable and the first to peroxidize under stress.
Such_Saturation said:
Thanks Such_saturation, it makes perfect sense. I am fighting with my family (particularly my medical doctor sister-in-law) against the traditional treatments, which includes omega 3, triptopane, etc. I should be on top of it in order to give a good fight. Thanks again
Last edited by a moderator:
Such_Saturation
Member
- Joined
- Nov 26, 2013
- Messages
- 7,370
StressedMom said:
Thanks to you for going the extra mile! A flawed status quo or dogma cannot get in the way of our health and success.
Last edited by a moderator:
Ella said:
Hi Ella,
The diagnosis was done based on behavior. Maybe down the line, they will be doing some testing, I just don't know. Here is Massachusetts, the waits are so long!!!
A few months ago, before this diagnosis, as I couldn't convince his doctor for any blood-work, I had this test done by myself. That was the only test I know of as available and affordable. Now I have the diagnosis and the test results, I am researching what the "alternative" doctors are doing for treatment. Omega-3 is one of the things they use. The conventional medicine says that there is no cure for autism and tends to use occupational therapy to improve the condition.
Last edited by a moderator:
I still don't understand how any doctor would diagnose an omega-3 deficiency based on behaviour. I am being kind in stating that such a test is extremely subjective and definately no justification for omega 3 supplementation. Yes we know omega 3 is not only the darling of alternative medicine but also of conventional doctors too!!! Look at how much fish oil is being recommended for heart and cardiovascular disease and diabetes!!!StressedMom said:
The reason that it is the go to supplement is because it works. If you have an inflammatory mileau, then the omega 3 and other PUFAs will downregulate inflammation but it does so at your peril. Omega 3 and PUFAs suppress the immune system. This means if there is a virus, bacteria, fungi, tumour cells etc. or even just breakdown products from your own cells, the immune system is sleeping on the job or blinded. It simply does not see the carnage and debris that is piling up. So it maybe that omega 3 may have reduced eczema for example but we risk far more serious conditions down the track. Ray spells them out for you in his articles, anything from diabetes, autoimmune conditions to cancer.StressedMom said:
Conventional medicines says there are no cure for all conditions, for example blood pressure which must be the easiest to cure but many people are on three different blood pressure medications. What about gastric reflux - cured overnight with carrot fibres. I know austism is extremely more complex, but why would anyone care to look for a cure when there are no lucrative incentives to find cures. There is only money in value adding to health conditions so that patients are managed from cradle to grave.
I would focus on getting those unstable oils out of the diet and get the temperature and pulse up, metabolism up, liver working optimally, thyroid working. As Ray states you need to keep pushing the condition towards the right direction - in your child's situation that direction is towards a robust immune system. Keep the temperature up to burn off the accumulated PUFAs and work on those strategies that mitigate the deleterious effects of the fatty acids. Focus on all those peat recommendations. Don't get sucked down that black hole of omega 3 BS. Have you had your children's thyroid function tested? Yes, money is a big deal in accessing help. I know those DAN doctor's charge a fortune. This online community is a wonderful resource, you have a better chance in doing a better job than anyone. I think Peat has thought long and hard in finding those solutions that are easily available to all people regardless of economical situation. Thermometer and pulse are easy tests to do.
I would contact Peat and ask him for advise, I am sure he would have better insight in guiding you.
The gold standard for a lipid analysis is red blood cell. Integrative MDs and naturapaths use this method to analyse the ratio of omega 6
mega 3 along with all the other fatty acids. Don't waste your time trying to convince your conventional dr as they can't do this type of testing. I would start with Patricia Kane in getting a test done. She provides recommendations on the report but I would follow up with Peat and get a second opinion. The Kanes have specialist knowlege in fatty acid profiles in autism and perhaps the best place to start. http://www.bodybio-wellness.com/aboutbodybio.htmlIn saying this they are not the only ones, there are many other labs that can do the test for you. You need to search and I am sure that they can put you onto the a dr from which you can order through. Don't take stabs in the dark as your child could easily have too much omega 3s. I think Patricia Kane has written articles on this and what it does to the brain. Remember, everyone has a vested interest in what they do, so be skeptical about everything you are told.
best,
Last edited by a moderator:
Ella said:post 109877I still don't understand how any doctor would diagnose an omega-3 deficiency based on behaviour. I am being kind in stating that such a test is extremely subjective and definately no justification for omega 3 supplementation. Yes we know omega 3 is not only the darling of alternative medicine but also of conventional doctors too!!! Look at how much fish oil is being recommended for heart and cardiovascular disease and diabetes!!!StressedMom said:
The reason that it is the go to supplement is because it works. If you have an inflammatory mileau, then the omega 3 and other PUFAs will downregulate inflammation but it does so at your peril. Omega 3 and PUFAs suppress the immune system. This means if there is a virus, bacteria, fungi, tumour cells etc. or even just breakdown products from your own cells, the immune system is sleeping on the job or blinded. It simply does not see the carnage and debris that is piling up. So it maybe that omega 3 may have reduced eczema for example but we risk far more serious conditions down the track. Ray spells them out for you in his articles, anything from diabetes, autoimmune conditions to cancer.StressedMom said:
Conventional medicines says there are no cure for all conditions, for example blood pressure which must be the easiest to cure but many people are on three different blood pressure medications. What about gastric reflux - cured overnight with carrot fibres. I know austism is extremely more complex, but why would anyone care to look for a cure when there are no lucrative incentives to find cures. There is only money in value adding to health conditions so that patients are managed from cradle to grave.
I would focus on getting those unstable oils out of the diet and get the temperature and pulse up, metabolism up, liver working optimally, thyroid working. As Ray states you need to keep pushing the condition towards the right direction - in your child's situation that direction is towards a robust immune system. Keep the temperature up to burn off the accumulated PUFAs and work on those strategies that mitigate the deleterious effects of the fatty acids. Focus on all those peat recommendations. Don't get sucked down that black hole of omega 3 BS. Have you had your children's thyroid function tested? Yes, money is a big deal in accessing help. I know those DAN doctor's charge a fortune. This online community is a wonderful resource, you have a better chance in doing a better job than anyone. I think Peat has thought long and hard in finding those solutions that are easily available to all people regardless of economical situation. Thermometer and pulse are easy tests to do.
I would contact Peat and ask him for advise, I am sure he would have better insight in guiding you.
The gold standard for a lipid analysis is red blood cell. Integrative MDs and naturapaths use this method to analyse the ratio of omega 6
In saying this they are not the only ones, there are many other labs that can do the test for you. You need to search and I am sure that they can put you onto the a dr from which you can order through. Don't take stabs in the dark as your child could easily have too much omega 3s. I think Patricia Kane has written articles on this and what it does to the brain. Remember, everyone has a vested interest in what they do, so be skeptical about everything you are told.
best,
Hi Ella,
Sorry for not being clear. The autism diagnosis was based on behavior, not omega-3 deficiency.
Thanks for letting me know about Patricia Kane; I had no idea who she is. But I was just doing an online search about her, I noticed that she advocates autism treatments by utilizing fats, including omega 3s. Am I mistaken?
Honestly, I am not trying to convince conventional doctors, but the problem is my husband and other family members do not believe me as I am not a medical doctor and would like to implement what the conventional doctors say for my son.
Thanks again for your thoughts and suggestions.
Last edited by a moderator:
Yes, you are correct here. They also sell their own line of products and there is nothing wrong, profitting from their knowledge. I have nothing against commercialism and would never deny anyone their livilihood but what does concern me is that people are led to believe that the the only way to bring minerals, hormones, fatty acids etc into balance is via supplementation. The US supplement industry alone is worth $37 billion dollars -it's huge. Now if you were an enterprising individual would you also not want a piece of the pie?StressedMom said:
I suggested if you are concerned about the omega 3 deficiency to have the fatty acid profile done on your child but not necessarily follow through with the recommendations. I suggested you get someone like Peat that has no vested interest and perhaps an alternative perspective to give an opinion. I get lab tests done all the time and there is always a long list of recommended supplements, probiotics, prebiotics, enzymes and yes always omega 3. I have also carried out tests on products. I remember one product selling and recommended by some pretty high profile autism gurus which piqued my concerns. I requested a sample from manufacturer which made them very nervous. They tried to reassure me how fantastic their processing method was. They sent lots to test and tried to explain, that yes initially, you will see autoantibodies increase but eventually they would come down. The product was heavily contaminated with heavy metals and the arsenic levels were extremely high. Why had these gurus not done their due diligence? On the one hand they tell you your child has problems detoxifying heavy metals and then they sell you products that are laden with them. Peat has consistently reinforced that a good nutrient dense diet goes a long way in turning things around. The humble carrot brings hormones into balance and adequate protein is required to detoxify toxins. Chelation is obviously not unnecessary!!!
I would also be skeptical regarding anyone diagnosing my child based on behaviour, especially if the child is very young. Unfortunately, there is no blood test for autism and children these days are not allowed to be quirky or different. I have real concerns with the number of children being diagnosed as autistic. Have you ruled out the chromosome defect Fragile X ? This is where I would start. http://fragilex.org.au/what-is-fragile-x/
Here's an article about children growing out of their autismhttp://www.parenting.com/blogs/special-needs-blog/shawn-parenting/my-son-had-autism-then-he-didnt
http://autismmythbusters.com/parents/therapy/thanks-mom-what-my-mother-did-right-frank-klein/
And yes, bright children being diagnosed as being "on the spectrum"
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/21/thats_n ... erted_boy/
What evidence do you have that your child is autistic?
Last edited by a moderator:
Hugh Johnson
Member
Treatment is many times more profitable than a cure. No point fighting anyone, people can rarely understand things that threathen their paycheck.StressedMom said:
I'd recommend some of Peat's articles.
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/se ... sion.shtml
This especially makes the point that serotonin and hypothyroidism are partly to blame.
Last edited by a moderator:
burtlancast
Member
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2013
- Messages
- 3,263
Ella said:
When it comes to heavy metal contamination, one needs to look into the work of Boyd Haley, where he shows that many autistic children have genetic weaknesses when it comes to some detox systems, and he advises to use synthetic chelators to bring the levels down.
I simply havn't read anything from Ray confirming these unlucky children could improve their lack of detox of heavy metals by taking more protein.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15068403
Cyproheptadine and autism.
Cyproheptadine and autism.
I spent five years with one of his protege here in Australia trying to understand the methodology they use in not only diagnosing mercury toxicity but also eliminating mercury from the body, so I am well aware of Haley's work. I remain unconvinced.burtlancast said:
I am also aware of the history in this area and how many people were damaged in being convinced that mercury was the cause of all their ills.
The very fact that these children have sluggish enzyme systems should caution parents in ensuring that further mineral imbalances and depletion does not result in making these children worse. Synthetic chelators bring levels down but they also chelate crucial minerals required for enzyme systems and electrolytes. Many people report that their health became worse after chelation. Mineral replacement via supplements laced with heavy metals, how does that make any sense? These people lack a comprehensive understanding on the intricacies and elegance of the human animal. They make me want to run.
burtlancast said:
I think if you read Peat's work, it is quite clear that he advocates specific foods to increase thyroid function ->improves digestion -> upregulate enzyme systems -> replace missing cofactors to improve enzymatic processes -> replace crucial minerals to displace heavy metals. He is very specific in having dairy, fruits, orange juice, coffee, seafood and gelatin with its abundant glycine. Even in normal adults, a wide variation exists in the activity of the glycine conjugation pathway due not only to genetic variation, but also to the availability of glycine in the liver. Glycine, and the other amino acids used for conjugation, become deficient on a low-protein diet and when chronic exposure to toxins results in depletion.
Many genetic weaknesses are masquerading as nutritional deficiencies or toxicities.
Prehaps I am mistaken in my assumptions of Peat's work, though it is the pure simplicity and accessibility of Peat's preferred foods that makes him stand out as genius.
There is so much to food that we are yet to discover. Peat may not have directly elucidated the nutritional requirements specific for autism, but you need to read between the lines to understand the nuances.
These children's nutritional needs are extremely high. Many of these children are extremely bright and high level functioning. Their brains alone require enormous amounts of energy at a time that they are growing rapidly. Many are finicky eater's so it is a vicious cycle.
Last edited by a moderator:
Ella said:
Well, he has many of the signs for this age. The thing is he is one of my twin boys. From the beginning, he was behaving quite differently from his twin brother, but we are thinking that maybe it is his personality. Apparently, he was not.
One of the forum members was kind enough to give me RP's email address. So I wrote him a detailed email with my and his health history. He obviously didn't tell me anything about curing autism, but suggested milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, OJ, and cooked mushrooms for the diet and thyroid and pregnenolone as supplements.
Last edited by a moderator:
answersfound
Member
- Joined
- Jan 12, 2014
- Messages
- 991
- Age
- 32
StressedMom said:
I don't think you need to give him cypro. Maybe a childrens Benadryl or half an aspirin tablet. But if his temp is low I would give him a bit of thyroid glandular.....
Maybe start with a quarter tablet a day for two months. Or even a sixth of a tablet. It depends on his size. Then if no improvement after two months you can double the dose, one at morning after a meal, and one at night.
http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_De ... -g-btt.htm
Here are instructions on how to dose:
https://www.longnaturalhealth.com/sites ... dHowTo.pdf
I am not a doctor so please consult with yours.
Last edited by a moderator:
I had read about cyproheptadine being used in some cases of autism when I was doing my own research on the drug. So sorry if I gave the impression that I thought it would be a definite treatment option for your loved one...I've been working on a big project lately and probably shouldn't reply to posts unless I'm willing to take the time to explain myself fully. I'm pleased you received a reply from Dr. Peat.StressedMom said:
Last edited by a moderator:
answersfound said:
Thanks Answersfound. That is what I was thinking, too. I have been taking that brand of thyroid for the last two months, so I feel comfortable starting with a quarter tablet. I have no experience with pregnenolone. Any suggestions for a 27-month-old boy?
The other thing is that doctors in the US are strongly against giving aspirin to children as they say it might cause seizures and/or loss of consciousness.
Last edited by a moderator:
EMF Mitigation - Flush Niacin - Big 5 Minerals
