SPEAK THE TRUTH! And Redeem This World From Hell

[LUH 3417]

I think that they just come up with these political groupings primarily to divide us. But yes there will be some groupings that appeal more to men and some more to women. However I would argue that they are all b.s.

The original political divide was between the rich and the poor. It always has been and always will be.

Politics as we know it originated in Ancient Greece. The original political divide was between the idiot and the public man. The idiot could not enter the forum and speak due to her idiocy (presumably). I would say the original political divide was between women and men.

 

[LUH 3417]

I think that they just come up with these political groupings primarily to divide us. But yes there will be some groupings that appeal more to men and some more to women. However I would argue that they are all b.s.

The original political divide was between the rich and the poor. It always has been and always will be.

I mean agora, not forum.

 

[x-ray peat]

Politics as we know it originated in Ancient Greece. The original political divide was between the idiot and the public man. The idiot could not enter the forum and speak due to her idiocy (presumably). I would say the original political divide was between women and men.

That is modern thinking. Men and Women where seen as a familial unit, as one, whose political interests where fully aligned. Yes the men dominated the public sphere but they did so in the interests of their family. Even today a lower income black woman shares more in common politically with her husband than with an upper income white woman. Class has always defined the true political interests of people. Feminism is a modern invention intended to divide the family.

 

[LUH 3417]

That is modern thinking. Men and Women where seen as a familial unit, as one, whose political interests where fully aligned. Yes the men dominated the public sphere but they did so in the interests of their family. Even today a lower income black woman shares more in common politically with her husband than with an upper income white woman. Class has always defined the true political interests of people. Feminism is a modern invention intended to divide the family.

Please look up the etymology of family. Family means master and all his slaves.

 

[LUH 3417]

That is modern thinking. Men and Women where seen as a familial unit, as one, whose political interests where fully aligned. Yes the men dominated the public sphere but they did so in the interests of their family. Even today a lower income black woman shares more in common politically with her husband than with an upper income white woman. Class has always defined the true political interests of people. Feminism is a modern invention intended to divide the family.

Also please research the history of hysteria in Ancient Greece, specifically what Antigone had to endure just to provide a proper burial for her brother.

 

[LUH 3417]

Existing in a family means you can't escape fate or stop reproducing the inequality that existed in your original family. You are destined to become Oedipa or Oedipus and replace mommy and daddy with husband or wife.

That is why Marx and Engels wrote their books.

 

[DaveFoster]

So why use the word socialism? It's misleading and counterproductive. By the way, there have been many countries that had socialist governments for decades, which are better off today than the U.S.. Sweden, Norway, Denmark all had socialist or social democratic governments, and they are all among the top countries for GDP/capita, standard of living, happiness, HDI, economic performance, social mobility, etc, and have much lower levels of economic inequality, crime, poverty and so on. Peterson recently started mentioning Wilkinson and Pikett a lot. Wilkinson once said: "If you want to live the American dream, go to Denmark"

There are massive differences between large-scale socialist bureaucracies and more or less anarchic communes (which can still have private property, but certain services the residents might prefer to be socialized.) Hoppe describes them as "covenant communities."

 

[DaveFoster]

Yes those crafty alohamati...

They even have their own magazine

Clever, well played.

 

[LUH 3417]

There are massive differences between large-scale socialist bureaucracies and more or less anarchic communes (which can still have private property, but certain services the residents might prefer to be socialized.) Hoppe describes them as "covenant communities."

Thomas Merton thought communism only had real world applications in monasteries.

 

[x-ray peat]

Also please research the history of hysteria in Ancient Greece, specifically what Antigone had to endure just to provide a proper burial for her brother.

I would say the same to you. The political history of the Greek Islands was a story of a never ending battle between the aristocracy and the demos, or the people with an occasional foray into dictatorship as described in Plato's Republic in general or by Herodotus in specific. Sexual politics is a modern invention.

 

[LUH 3417]

I would say the same to you. The political history of the Greek Islands was a story of a never ending battle between the aristocracy and the demos, or the people with an occasional foray into dictatorship as described in Plato's Republic. Sexual politics is a modern invention.

All of history can be seen as an effort to control sex. Taboos on incest existed way before Ancient Greece was even a dirty thought in someone's mind.

 

[LUH 3417]

I would say the same to you. The political history of the Greek Islands was a story of a never ending battle between the aristocracy and the demos, or the people with an occasional foray into dictatorship as described in Plato's Republic in general or by Herodotus in specific. Sexual politics is a modern invention.

How do you suggest people confront the problem of classism and reconcile their actions with the pursuit of having a family?

 

[x-ray peat]

How do you suggest people confront the problem of classism and reconcile their actions with the pursuit of having a family?

These are all post modernist terms designed to confuse peoples real interests. Classism isnt a real problem like racism or sexism. You are supposed to stand up and fight for your interests. The rich certainly are. It is only the foolish middle classes who are being deceived into thinking that they need to curb their "privilege" and allow others to take their place. Pure bull sh*t.

 

[LUH 3417]

These are all post modernist terms designed to confuse peoples real interests. Classism isnt a real problem like racism or sexism. You are supposed to stand up and fight for your interests. The rich certainly are. It is only the foolish middle classes who are being deceived into thinking that they need to curb their "privilege" and allow others to take their place. Pure bull sh*t.

So you believe in the accumulation of private property as the cure?

 

[x-ray peat]

All of history can be seen as an effort to control sex. Taboos on incest existed way before Ancient Greece was even a dirty thought in someone's mind.

That is the problem with the modern university. They actually give out PhDs based on this. You should look into the licentious orgies of both Greece and Rome to see how little they card about control sexual. They worshiped their gods through massive group orgies.

 

[LUH 3417]

That is the problem with the modern university. They actually give out PhDs based on this. You should look into the licentious orgies of both Greece and Rome to see how little they card about control sexual. They worshiped their gods through massive group orgies.

THEY were not everybody. Only the cool rich people got to do ergot and go to orgies!

 

[LUH 3417]

That is the problem with the modern university. They actually give out PhDs based on this. You should look into the licentious orgies of both Greece and Rome to see how little they card about control sexual. They worshiped their gods through massive group orgies.

Weren't the Elysian mysteries really protected? They were like modern day Podestas and Abramovichs.

 

[x-ray peat]

So you believe in the accumulation of private property as the cure?

It's amazing that you can even ask that. Do you think the past experiments in communal ownership where successes? It is the Socialists dream that they are always just one mass execution away from their Utopia.

 

[x-ray peat]

THEY were not everybody. Only the cool rich people got to do ergot and go to orgies!

Not true.. look into the Saturnalia. The poor had their orgies as well

 

[LUH 3417]

It's amazing that you can even ask that. Do you think the past experiments in communal ownership where successes? It is the Socialists dream that they are always just one mass execution away from their Utopia.

I am skeptical of your stance because you keep misspelling where were there their etc.