1. **NEW Mini Body Light** MBL1 - Orange & Red Light Therapy Mini Body Light
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Cholesterol Powder
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Pau D'arco Bark
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Metabasoap - Handcrafted Soap
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Cocoa Butter - Organic & Fair Trade Certified
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  6. Charcoal Soap - For Deep Cleansing
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  7. Orange & Red Light Therapy Device - LGS1
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  8. Cascara Sagrada Powder From Farmalabor In Italy
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice

How To Get Ripped While Peating

Discussion in 'Ask For Help or Advice' started by Pieter, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. MatheusPN

    MatheusPN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2017
    Messages:
    46
    Gender:
    Male
    I presume that Coconut oil and MCT can help with fat loss, they raise metabolism, MCT also is good for androgens, 1 or 2 tbsp I would use for this objective

    Before, *trying* to peating I used fractioned palm oil and after coconut oil, in the ranges of 30% to 40%, consuming 3000 to 4000 kcal, with same weight

    I used fat to help with my strive to match the kcal, but using mct to this is very costly and hard, if not I would be using 3x more mct
     
  2. boxers

    boxers Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    161
    Gender:
    Male
    I was 7%
     
  3. cyclops

    cyclops Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2017
    Messages:
    1,324
    cool. what did you start out as and how long did it take you?
     
  4. boxers

    boxers Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    161
    Gender:
    Male
    Probably 17%, 6 months roughly
     
  5. cyclops

    cyclops Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2017
    Messages:
    1,324
    nice results!
     
  6. haidut

    haidut Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Messages:
    14,700
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA / Europe
    Well, this is what I have been saying all along but the fasters won't have any of it. They say that you are supposed to feel shitty while fasting but you will emerge feeling so much better when the fast is done. You see, the body catabolizes "bad" tissue during the fast and when you are done fasting you can begin rebuilding yourself anew. That is their claim, not mine. I have serious doubts about the long term benefit of fasting, but I have seen some people benefit from intermittent fasting. But I think everybody agrees that while you fast your immune system will be in the gutter due to high cortisol and adrenaline, and steroids will be suboptimal. As you noticed, and Peat has spoken, free T is very rarely a sign of good health. It is total T that indicates gonadal activity and gonadal activity is positively correlated with thyroid and negatively correlated with adrenal (stress) activity. High free T is often a sign of elevated lipolysis and sometimes poor liver function.
     
  7. Let Go

    Let Go Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2016
    Messages:
    76
    Gender:
    Male
     
  8. Let Go

    Let Go Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2016
    Messages:
    76
    Gender:
    Male
  9. Jsaute21

    Jsaute21 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2016
    Messages:
    1,156
    Gender:
    Male
    Interesting. This fits into my perception of people who fast quite well. I think if someone was to do a study of the % of people who fasted having orthorexic tendencies, it would be between 80-90%. Who wants to "feel shitty" ever? It's self torturing behavior, not much different than an eating disorder. I know enough people to know that most people eat within hours of waking. What's scary is this phenomenon is spreading to athletes & other professions, where high performance is paramount. Any lean or fit athlete should be the last person who fasts before a game or a match, and i know a pro athlete that is starting to do this (due to getting way too into fitness.) I can see it working for people with high BF% or folks that are very unhealthy. For normal people with decently operating metabolisms, i think the dangers far outweigh the benefits, unless they are capable of eating nutrient rich and enough nutrition in that brief window. Again, Why the hell would you want to stuff yourself in a 4-8 hour window? Just my 2C.
     
  10. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,062
    Gender:
    Male
    Giving the digestive system a rest sounds like it could be beneficial for some.
    Everyone needs or at least craves to have energy for their jobs or their life, I see many notice carbs make them tired so they stop eating them reduce them drastically, eat less overall or skip meals.
     
  11. haidut

    haidut Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Messages:
    14,700
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA / Europe
    True, and this is what Peat said about benefit of fasting when asked about it but he said intermittent or short fasts (48 hours max) would be the only ones he thinks would provide net benefit, mostly due to endotoxin reductions. Again, I have definitely seen people benefit from short fasting sessions but many times they were due to people simply being busy with something exciting and forgetting a meal, so it is hard to say if the benefit was from reduced eating or the positive emotions from whatever they were doing.
     
  12. haidut

    haidut Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Messages:
    14,700
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA / Europe
    I think chronic fasting used to be diagnosed as a mental disorder unless it was prescribed by physician and was medically necessary - i.e. severe gastritis, gastroparesis, etc. Even then, the person would simply not ingest food, but would usually still be fed through a IV.
     
  13. farshad

    farshad Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2017
    Messages:
    300
    Gender:
    Male
    deleted, didnt wanna offend anyone.
     
  14. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,062
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't know who you're talking to but his advice and supplements suggestions may include progesterone, pregnenolone, dhea, thyroid hormone and he isn't against a bit of dht and T as he uses them himself. AFAIK.
     
  15. Jem Oz

    Jem Oz Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2016
    Messages:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Any updates OP?
     
  16. danielbb

    danielbb Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2018
    Messages:
    90
    Gender:
    Male
    @haidut - I am a believer in Ray's work and was interested in a discussion you had with Danny Roddy about bears where you mentioned they were temporarily diabetic until consuming carbs after hibernation. In other words, their condition was reversible. Obviously, people are not bears. However, do you believe people also have the same restorative mechanisms from short term fasting i.e., going back to their glucose-burning metabolism shortly after re-feeding with restorative carbohydrates? Does the potential harm of stress hormones (in the short term) generated by fasting outweigh the possible benefit?

    It seems reasonable to imagine that hunter-gatherers would not be eating three-square meals everyday (like we all can now) and thus, that fasting may have been a normal process/adaptation in our development. Is it possible that we need to differentiate between chronic fasting and acute fasting such as in the short term situation and possibly consider there may indeed be some benefit to brief, short term fasts i.e., once per week for 24/36 hours?
     
  17. frant26

    frant26 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2015
    Messages:
    150
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Mexico City
    +1. Excellent question!
     
  18. haidut

    haidut Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Messages:
    14,700
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA / Europe
    Here is the study on bears and another one showing the benefits of fasting are mostly due to lowering endotoxin levels. If you eat foods that do not raise endotoxin much then there is no benefit to fasting and could be harm by decreasing your insulin sensitivity.
    Burning Fat Makes Bears (and Likely Humans) Diabetic
    The Benefits Of Fasting Are Due To Lowering Endotoxin (LPS), Not Less Calories

    The fact that excessive lipolysis causes insulin resistance is well known and widely acknowledged by medicine. The only thing they still dispute is if this can also cause diabetes. The current version is that diabetes still depends on genes, while insulin resistance can happen to anybody who is overweight or under chronic stress (high cortisol). People in ketoacidosis die from elevated fatty acids, not elevated glucose levels. Glucose is mostly harmless and an symptoms of high FFA. So, it is the FFA that should be treated not the high glucose.
    In light of all of the above, I do not see a good reason to fast unless it is intermittent and used to simply allow the digestive system to recover from irritation/endotoxin.
     
  19. agnar

    agnar Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2018
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    the problem with a lot of you "dieters", who can only eat in accordance with strict diet dogma, whatever that may be, is that you have no concept of moderation, and seemingly no sensation of hunger... it's incredible to me how this could even happen. you saw yourself gaining perhaps 5-6 kg the first month, yet did not ask yourself if there was something you could have done differently? if you gained this much weight, how could you have believed your metabolism was "healing"? of course your hormones will be better, seeing as you started eating carbs again, but you will always be a far cry from optimized health-wise if you don't actually listen to your body. too many people are merely seeking someone onto whom you can transfer the responsibility for their own health, relinquishing their own cognitive processes
     
Loading...