How far are you willing to go with this current situation?

[Jinju]

Strength and honour my friend!!

With you 100% on that!

 

[Ledo]

people have been talking about the inevitability of global communism for over 100 years. reagan made a speech about it as president in the 80's. stating it was only 'one generation away'

if you assume the virus isn't real at all, then lockdowns seem like the simplest way to manifest it; bleeding the institutes that rely on fossil fuels dry via state-mandated restrictions, while investing in green energy on an unprecedented level...printing enormous amounts of money but restricting the market to reduce velocity, thus delaying hyper inflation while you transition to digital state currencies, which will without doubt be used to instigate state ubi....all the while teaching people to be obedient, socially responsible, and happy to hand over their liberties in the name of safety - which is the pre-requisite of authoritarianism, and the hall mark of socialism

until now, human greed has always driven the machine of capitalism forward using war and slavery because power inevitably corrupts, but in 2021 we have the technology to decentralize power and potentially make global communism a reality, which in theory could be the single greatest step forward for the species since agriculture began...but you can't explain that to a world of people who tremble with rage if you mention the word 'commie'

so to answer your question, i pretend it's not there and carry on as normal, but i accept that the world is changing and no amount of protests or disobedience will alter the fact that to survive as a species in the nuclear age, communism is inevitable and it's easier to manipulate people into it than explain why, given the level of misinformation floating about

this agenda has the world medias, telecommunications, world governments, the richest entrepeneurs and all the data on both individuals and vast demographics to know exactly how to control enough people to get what they need done, done while avoiding total social collapse during a diminishing western empire.

the 21st century will belong to china and india, two nations that thrive on business, not war. meanwhile, there's half a billion people in the west who are about to lose the benefit of the american fiat money system (they only exist for 50 years and the usd is 51 as of this year, 1 year older than the WEF)

...so while i can appreciate how irritating it is, tolerating all this bs, i don't see the point of making a fuss because the alternative would be much worse imo. it's this, or tell the entire western world they have no money, but good luck with the starvation.

You forgot the part about how all the useful idiots get slaughtered after the revolution.

People always think its different this time.

 

[Sweet Meat]

You forgot the part about how all the useful idiots get slaughtered after the revolution.

People always think its different this time.

i said i can understand the need to cull the old/soon to be old - their pensions are untapped resources to leverage during a financial collapse, so at least in that instance, there is reason. in the past, socialist governments resorted to genocide because they ran out of money/commodities to fuel their economy, and the people revolted due to hunger, so they got shot...like i said, this may be the first time technology is at a point where that might be avoidable. emphasis on the 'might'.

fertility rates have been plummeting for 50 years, and china's single greatest problem over the coming century is that they don't have ENOUGH people to compensate for their incoming wave of retiree's...so assuming the vaccine is intended to wipe us all out is just simple-minded bs tbh. hostile conspiracy theories without logic or evidence or common sense - it's "just because".

they always exist, it's just a matter of asking questions to figure out if they have substance, or if they are just full of ***t.

 

[Ledo]

i said i can understand the need to cull the old/soon to be old - their pensions are untapped resources to leverage during a financial collapse, so at least in that instance, there is reason.

fertility rates have been plummeting for 50 years, and china's single greatest problem over the coming century is that they don't have ENOUGH people to compensate for their incoming wave of retiree's...so assuming the vaccine is intended to wipe us all out is just simple-minded bs tbh. hostile conspiracy theories without logic or evidence or common sense

they always exist, it's just a matter of asking questions to figure out if they have substance, or if they are just full of ***t.

Well I wasn't talking about culling the old and infirm or the soon to be but rather the young idealists implementing the takeover, you maybe? They always seem to get an across the board whacking in the aftermath of these things. Power grabs get messy.

So you really think people are going to relinquish power at the top once the utopia gets established and inside of 20 years tops? How idealistic of you.

I think communism is just the other side of the dialectic and those pricks who control the whole thing have their own agenda and timeline. But regarding how many people are going to die, I'd say just look to the land management goals the U.N has for agenda 2030. Its really one big national park with a few people in pens here and there.

 

[Sweet Meat]

Well I wasn't talking about culling the old and infirm or the soon to be but rather the young idealists implementing the takeover, you maybe?

why are you talking about killing young idealists?

They always seem to get an across the board whacking in the aftermath of these things. Power grabs get messy.

what power grab? can you give an example of what you're talking about?

So you really think people are going to relinquish power at the top once the utopia gets established and inside of 20 years tops? How idealistic of you.

i've never once mentioned the word utopia - ironic that you're calling me the idealist, here...lol

what people are you talking about? which power, specifically? and how do they avoid relinquishing it? will they become immortal and live forever, laughing at the plebs who continue to live lives like little may flies while they transcend to the heavens as titans of the universe?

why do they need to kill us, if that's the case? who would they laugh at?

I think communism is just the other side of the dialectic and those pricks who control the whole thing have their own agenda and timeline.

i don't understand what this sentence means, but there is a very clear cut definition of communism, so if yours involves cash, class or state - then...you probably don't understand wtf you're talking about :P

But regarding how many people are going to die, I'd say just look to the land management goals the U.N has for agenda 2030. Its really one big national park with a few people in pens here and there.

so you're saying the united nations are going to exterminate 8 billion people and leave a handful of survivors living in pens...just because?

well, thank you for your opinion. i'm sure you're right.

 

[Peatness]

More stuff that I now know

A video from the archives shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head. How did the BBC know that it was going to collapse? And why did they report the collapse when it is clearly standing in the background?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqP8moItcc


One of the comments

Tower 7 (Solomon Brothers building) is the teller building half behind the right side of the reporter's head when viewing the video. Behind her on the left side is the smoke from the twin towers. Behind her on the right, is Tower 7, which hasn't fallen yet.

 

[akgrrrl]

More stuff that I now know

A video from the archives shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head. How did the BBC know that it was going to collapse? And why did they report the collapse when it is clearly standing in the background?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqP8moItcc


One of the comments

Tower 7 (Solomon Brothers building) is the teller building half behind the right side of the reporter's head when viewing the video. Behind her on the left side is the smoke from the twin towers. Behind her on the right, is Tower 7, which hasn't fallen yet.

I will relate a clip that I cannot forget during the first hour or so when ambulances were rushing to the site. An ambulance drove into a small parking lot with only a short row of parked cars on the left and right, sidewalks at the front of the cars and the rear of the cars were in line with the smokedust where bldg 7 was. Camera angle was from one bldg, showed ambulance crew getting out and making a quick sweep of the lot then getting together pointing at the cars. Down the center of the lot, the back half of all the vehicles were flat and blackened, tires a small black puddle, glass vaporized. They walked to car front ends pointing, as paint jobs and chrome and glass were intact up near the sidewalk. Pointed and looked at both sides, got back in ems vehicles, and pulled out as dust and smoke filtered in. It was long after that vivid clip that I read that the conspiracy theorists claimed some sort of Directed Energy Weapon vaporized bldg 7.

 

[tankasnowgod]

This will make lots of people to go for testing. I am still in minority who didn't sign but guys is complying for testing such a bad thing? I feel intuitively I want to stand and be example even if thatvmeans consequences but I also don't want to be White Knight where it would be stupid to be one. Lots of cooworkers argues that "ohh tests are nothing dangerous plus they provide them on the spot". I feel like I will still have to take test if I would relocate so only difference is amount. Job requires do once every 7 days and relocating requires only 1 at airport probably.

Please assure me I am not being dumb refusing seemingly benign testing just to stand my moral ground.

Well, if you're taking a stand, you've got to take it somewhere.

I do think there is potential for damage depending on who is doing the nasal swap test, so I don't think it's benign. And considering it's already being floated as chronic testing, you know that isn't a "one and done" thing from the get go.

Personally, while I think the danger is low, I still won't submit to one, as this is the line for me in terms of body sovereignty. They are inserting something into you, and bodily cavities certainly should have protection. It's certainly invasive, more so than a mask, and that's the line for me. Not to mention it's completely unscientific and just being used to prolong this fake pandemic.

We're also getting to the point where the "rewards" for compliance are all really low, and getting lower every day. The vaxxed only got to be "maskless" for a few months, by the "rules." They are demanding more and more compliance for less and less. They will up it to every day, half day, 15 minutes, if they think they can get away with it. Ultimately, they will hurt and destroy themselves, if even 10-20% make a stand. Remember, companies and governments are legal fictions, unable to produce anything of value without real living men and women.

EDIT- It should also be noted that if you do take a stand, and do suffer some consequences, you will not be alone. Pam Long wrote this article about Pilots in the US Military that refused the EUA Anthrax vaccine back in the early 2000s. This has happened before, and it will be happening in (far, far greater) numbers this time around. It may indeed be easier for those of us who stand up this time-

Pilots May Hold Key to Mobilizing Against Military COVID Vaccine Mandate

When the military mandated the anthrax vaccine and military pilots showed they were willing to throw away careers and pensions in order to avoid the vaccine, it got the military’s attention — maybe they can do the same with COVID vaccine mandates?

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[haidut]

artificial intelligence is estimated to arrive within 20 years, which will make or break us as a species, and inevitably render human governance obsolete - one of the hallmarks of true communism

This is a pipe dream. General intelligence cannot be simulated on a digital computer. The current state of AI affairs is so dire that BigTech is compelled to fake PR stunts as their "general AI" cannot even order pizza over the phone. See my post below.

Canadian PM Just Confirmed The "Great Reset" Is Not A Conspiracy

are overly trusting It is actually a mental health disorder. I don't remember the medical name but the popular one that Peat has used several times is "trustanoia" - i.e. the opposite but just as pathological as complete lack of trust (paranoia).

raypeatforum.com

So, most of the miraculous technological promises of the "Great Reset" are either deliberate lies or the regurgitations of freakishly dumb (and psychotic/psychopathic) sub-humans. Since you said "...it's this, or tell the entire western world they have no money, but good luck with the starvation" - well, I'd prepare for the latter b/c, from what I have seen in the IT (and especially AI) industry as an insider and former AI-startup founder, "AI" is mostly vaporware and if this is what the elite relies upon to usher in its West-saving "reset", then it is game over. If AI was that advanced Google (and especially Amazon) would have replaced most of its staff years ago. BigTech cannot even fully automate its data centers for crying out loud. Oh, and as far as the "starvation" - there is enough food for everybody. Some will die, but mostly due to the social unrest and violence that are being stoked all the time and will intensify if the police state continues to advance. I think what you meant to say is: "it's either this or the elite will have to accept their techno-wet-dreams are bunk and as such most of their "wealth" is a junk bubble that has to be deflated (like their ego)." The choice is never "this or starvation/death because this is what the reality is". This choice is only presented because it suits the powers that be. The real choice has always been "this (slavery) or the collapse of the elitist/technocratic ideas".
Keep in mind that despite 100+ years of "advances", modern medicine cannot even cure a minor viral infection, and mortality from all chronic diseases has been steadily increasing since the 1970s. So, to me, the push of militarism and establishment of dictatorships all over the world is a sign of exactly this - the lies of technocracy and "science" have been exposed, so now the elite's only chance is to call in the troops or it is game over. You don't call in the troops when you feel in control because your ideas of technologically-driven control over the population are panning out. You call the troops in when you feel you have been exposed and have little time left to bring things under control.

 

[tankasnowgod]

This is a pipe dream. General intelligence cannot be simulated on a digital computer. The current state of AI affairs is so dire that BigTech is compelled to fake PR stunts as their "general AI" cannot even order pizza over the phone. See my post below.

Canadian PM Just Confirmed The "Great Reset" Is Not A Conspiracy

are overly trusting It is actually a mental health disorder. I don't remember the medical name but the popular one that Peat has used several times is "trustanoia" - i.e. the opposite but just as pathological as complete lack of trust (paranoia).

raypeatforum.com

So, most of the miraculous technological promises of the "Great Reset" are either deliberate lies or the regurgitations of freakishly dumb (and psychotic/psychopathic) sub-humans. Since you said "...it's this, or tell the entire western world they have no money, but good luck with the starvation" - well, I'd prepare for the latter b/c, from what I have seen in the IT (and especially AI) industry as an insider and former AI-startup founder, "AI" is mostly vaporware and if this is what the elite relies upon to usher in its West-saving "reset", then it is game over. If AI was that advanced Google (and especially Amazon) would have replaced most of its staff years ago. BigTech cannot even fully automate its data centers for crying out loud. Oh, and as far as the "starvation" - there is enough food for everybody. Some will die, but mostly due to the social unrest and violence that are being stoked all the time and will intensify if the police state continues to advance. I think what you meant to say is: "it's either this or the elite will have to accept their techno-wet-dreams are bunk and as such most of their "wealth" is a junk bubble that has to be deflated (like their ego)." The choice is never "this or starvation/death because this is what the reality is". This choice is only presented because it suits the powers that be. The real choice has always been "this (slavery) or the collapse of the elitist/technocratic ideas".
Keep in mind that despite 100+ years of "advances", modern medicine cannot even cure a minor viral infection, and mortality from all chronic diseases has been steadily increasing since the 1970s. So, to me, the push of militarism and establishment of dictatorships all over the world is a sign of exactly this - the lies of technocracy and "science" have been exposed, so now the elite's only chance is to call in the troops or it is game over. You don't call in the troops when you feel in control because your ideas of technologically-driven control over the population are panning out. You call the troops in when you feel you have been exposed and have little time left to bring things under control.

Nicely put.

Did you ever see the XKCD post asking about a Robot Apocalypse? It certainly comes to a similar conclusion based on the same sort of facts you are referring to, and I always found it quite entertaining-

Robot Apocalypse

 

[Sweet Meat]

This is a pipe dream. General intelligence cannot be simulated on a digital computer.

i guess quantum computing is a pipe dream, as well.

The current state of AI affairs is so dire that BigTech is compelled to fake PR stunts as their "general AI" cannot even order pizza over the phone. See my post below.

Canadian PM Just Confirmed The "Great Reset" Is Not A Conspiracy

are overly trusting It is actually a mental health disorder. I don't remember the medical name but the popular one that Peat has used several times is "trustanoia" - i.e. the opposite but just as pathological as complete lack of trust (paranoia).

raypeatforum.com

So, most of the miraculous technological promises of the "Great Reset" are either deliberate lies or the regurgitations of freakishly dumb (and psychotic/psychopathic) sub-humans.

well, i haven't mentioned any of these, to my knowledge. virtual intelligence has been interfering with everything for a decade, and the blockchain is like 40-50 years old, so i'm not exactly sure what psychopathic tech's you're talking about. feel free to specify.

So, since you said "...it's this, or tell the entire western world they have no money, but good luck with the starvation" - well, I'd prepare for the latter b/c, from what I have seen in the IT (and especially AI) industry as an insider and former AI-startup founder, "AI" is mostly vaporware and if this is what the elite relies upon to usher in its West-saving "reset", then it is game over.

i imagine most people who can think more than a few days into the future are prepared for the latter. the fact remains, if technology doesn't solve our problem we starve and die and regress, as has happened every time socialism gets in the driving seat.

If AI was that advanced Google (and especially Amazon) would have replaced most of its staff years ago. BigTech cannot even fully automate its data centers for crying out loud.

well, evolution of technology is exponential, so let's give it another 20 years before pissing all over the current state of things, tbh.

Oh, and as far as the "starvation" - there is enough food for everybody.

when has that not been the case? 170 years ago british land owners took all the food grown by irish farmers and sent it a few miles east, to britain. then sat back and watched as half the country starved to death because the potatoes they grew for themselves didn't turn out so well.

surplus of food really means nothing when one has no functional economy to distribute it, as is demonstrable throughout history.

Some will die, but mostly due to the social unrest and violence that are being stoked all the time and will intensify if the police state continues to advance.

i'm a pessimist, chum. as far as i'm concerned, everyone dies...:P

I think what you meant to say is: "it's either this or the elite will have to accept their techno-wet-dreams are bunk and as such most of their "wealth" is a junk bubble that has to be deflated (like their ego)."

no, i said what i mean. the west has no money, no gold, their tech is generations behind the east and the east is buying up western land and trade routes...whether or not a "techno-wet dream" succeeds or not is largely irrelevant to the above facts in terms of a functioning economy, which tends to be the great determining factor in terms of feeding citizens that reside within said economy.

The choice is never "this or starvation/death because this is what the reality is".

i'm going to reword your logic;

the choice is NEVER "food or starvation/death...because this is what the reality is"

if you don't choose food, what other option do you have, besides starvation? absolutist logic is nonsense, when you think it through.

This choice is only presented because it suits the powers that be. The real choice has always been "this (slavery) or the collapse of the elitist/technocratic ideas".

and what comes with the collapse of the "elitist/technocratic ideas"?

something new and exciting, that doesn't involve slavery, but doesn't require technology for a population that will breach 10 billion in the next 30 years?

Keep in mind that despite 100+ years of "advances", modern medicine cannot even cure a minor viral infection, and mortality from all chronic diseases has been steadily increasing since the 1970s.

keep in mind, capitalism is predicated on profit from disease, not curing it. curing disease is antithesis to capitalism by it's very nature, and i say that as a staunch capitalist, hence why i look after my own health.

So, to me, the push of militarism and establishment of dictatorships all over the world is a sign of exactly this - the lies of technocracy and "science" have been exposed, so now the elite's only chance is to call in the troops or it is game over.

well, i got very excited when i saw the uk sign marshal powers over the the pm last march...then he used them to put vests on soldiers and knock on doors, telling people to be safe.

you say "gameover" - why do you not assume the "elite" wouldn't just unleash an actual virus, one that is actually dangerous and might wipe out 95% of the deplorables, rather than rely on soldiers that have no investment in your agenda? why is their last line of defence against the plebs, the army...if they are the elite, they would presumably have access to tech that we can't even think of, surely?

You don't call in the troops when you feel in control because your ideas of technologically-driven control over the population are panning out. You call the troops in when you feel you have been exposed and have little time left to bring things under control.

i would call them in for the sake of propaganda, which is exactly how they've been utilized, so far

cheers for addressing some of my points, though. that's like...new and exciting for me ^_^

 

[DB_2014]

This is a pipe dream. General intelligence cannot be simulated on a digital computer. The current state of AI affairs is so dire that BigTech is compelled to fake PR stunts as their "general AI" cannot even order pizza over the phone. See my post below.

Canadian PM Just Confirmed The "Great Reset" Is Not A Conspiracy

are overly trusting It is actually a mental health disorder. I don't remember the medical name but the popular one that Peat has used several times is "trustanoia" - i.e. the opposite but just as pathological as complete lack of trust (paranoia).

raypeatforum.com

So, most of the miraculous technological promises of the "Great Reset" are either deliberate lies or the regurgitations of freakishly dumb (and psychotic/psychopathic) sub-humans. Since you said "...it's this, or tell the entire western world they have no money, but good luck with the starvation" - well, I'd prepare for the latter b/c, from what I have seen in the IT (and especially AI) industry as an insider and former AI-startup founder, "AI" is mostly vaporware and if this is what the elite relies upon to usher in its West-saving "reset", then it is game over. If AI was that advanced Google (and especially Amazon) would have replaced most of its staff years ago. BigTech cannot even fully automate its data centers for crying out loud. Oh, and as far as the "starvation" - there is enough food for everybody. Some will die, but mostly due to the social unrest and violence that are being stoked all the time and will intensify if the police state continues to advance. I think what you meant to say is: "it's either this or the elite will have to accept their techno-wet-dreams are bunk and as such most of their "wealth" is a junk bubble that has to be deflated (like their ego)." The choice is never "this or starvation/death because this is what the reality is". This choice is only presented because it suits the powers that be. The real choice has always been "this (slavery) or the collapse of the elitist/technocratic ideas".
Keep in mind that despite 100+ years of "advances", modern medicine cannot even cure a minor viral infection, and mortality from all chronic diseases has been steadily increasing since the 1970s. So, to me, the push of militarism and establishment of dictatorships all over the world is a sign of exactly this - the lies of technocracy and "science" have been exposed, so now the elite's only chance is to call in the troops or it is game over. You don't call in the troops when you feel in control because your ideas of technologically-driven control over the population are panning out. You call the troops in when you feel you have been exposed and have little time left to bring things under control.

As dark as things are right now, and as bad as they may remain for a while, posts like this give me hope. The elites will undoubtedly cause widespread damage, but they will not succeed in the end. I just hope I live to see their collapse.

 

[Peatness]

This is a pipe dream. General intelligence cannot be simulated on a digital computer. The current state of AI affairs is so dire that BigTech is compelled to fake PR stunts as their "general AI" cannot even order pizza over the phone. See my post below.

Canadian PM Just Confirmed The "Great Reset" Is Not A Conspiracy

are overly trusting It is actually a mental health disorder. I don't remember the medical name but the popular one that Peat has used several times is "trustanoia" - i.e. the opposite but just as pathological as complete lack of trust (paranoia).

raypeatforum.com

So, most of the miraculous technological promises of the "Great Reset" are either deliberate lies or the regurgitations of freakishly dumb (and psychotic/psychopathic) sub-humans. Since you said "...it's this, or tell the entire western world they have no money, but good luck with the starvation" - well, I'd prepare for the latter b/c, from what I have seen in the IT (and especially AI) industry as an insider and former AI-startup founder, "AI" is mostly vaporware and if this is what the elite relies upon to usher in its West-saving "reset", then it is game over. If AI was that advanced Google (and especially Amazon) would have replaced most of its staff years ago. BigTech cannot even fully automate its data centers for crying out loud. Oh, and as far as the "starvation" - there is enough food for everybody. Some will die, but mostly due to the social unrest and violence that are being stoked all the time and will intensify if the police state continues to advance. I think what you meant to say is: "it's either this or the elite will have to accept their techno-wet-dreams are bunk and as such most of their "wealth" is a junk bubble that has to be deflated (like their ego)." The choice is never "this or starvation/death because this is what the reality is". This choice is only presented because it suits the powers that be. The real choice has always been "this (slavery) or the collapse of the elitist/technocratic ideas".
Keep in mind that despite 100+ years of "advances", modern medicine cannot even cure a minor viral infection, and mortality from all chronic diseases has been steadily increasing since the 1970s. So, to me, the push of militarism and establishment of dictatorships all over the world is a sign of exactly this - the lies of technocracy and "science" have been exposed, so now the elite's only chance is to call in the troops or it is game over. You don't call in the troops when you feel in control because your ideas of technologically-driven control over the population are panning out. You call the troops in when you feel you have been exposed and have little time left to bring things under control.

That’s a relief. On one level your post is reassuring, however, even presuming the great reset was instigated too soon by a supposed lab leak (let’s give them the benefit of the doubt), why the mass ‘vaccination’ with a lethal injection, albeit a slow kill? Also, isn’t ongoing chronic disease by design? Keeping the masses sick and dependent seems profitable.

 

[tankasnowgod]

you say "gameover" - why do you not assume the "elite" wouldn't just unleash an actual virus, one that is actually dangerous and might wipe out 95% of the deplorables, rather than rely on soldiers that have no investment in your agenda? why is their last line of defence against the plebs, the army...if they are the elite, they would presumably have access to tech that we can't even think of, surely?

Because there is zero evidence that anything like this is even possible. Even a real pandemic, like Spanish Flu, has a high end estimate of 50 Million Deaths. There were about 1 Billion people on the planet, at the time. So, it maybe killed 5% of the population.

How would they "test" a virus or germ to find out it's that lethal?
How could they contain it?
How would they assure that it doesn't mutate?
How would they distribute it?
And if they really could fulfill all those conditions...... how in the world would they protect themselves?

The idea of anything being that lethal on a mass scale of 8 Billion people is beyond a pipe dream. Completely ludicrous. If you look at the lethality of suicide rates, even attempts with firearms (the most lethal kind) only result in death 82% of the time-

Lethality of Suicide Methods

What Governs Lethality? A number of factors are theorized to influence the lethality of a given method. The first is inherent deadliness. For example, car exhaust with a high CO level will be more …

www.hsph.harvard.edu

You really think ANY virus or germ, natural or man made, can have a 13% higher lethality than a suicide attempt by firearm? Ridiculous. Only Ventalators in the Early days of COVID (at 97.2%) can approach that. And again, don't forget it would have to maintain that rate on a sample size of people millions of times larger than either the suicide or ventalator sample.

 

[Sweet Meat]

Because there is zero evidence that anything like this is even possible. Even a real pandemic, like Spanish Flu, has a high end estimate of 50 Million Deaths. There were about 1 Billion people on the planet, at the time. So, it maybe killed 5% of the population.

as far as i know kids can buy kits that build diseases nowadays. i think it's naive to assume that we can't create something more interesting given the full support of the two most advanced nations in human history. but you're right, it is an assumption...like i said.

How would they "test" a virus or germ to find out it's that lethal?

i imagine they would give it to something that is alive, and see if it dies ;o

How could they contain it?

carefully

How would they assure that it doesn't mutate?

they would probably bank on it mutating in order to maintain it's efficacy in the event of random immunities, but i don't know.

How would they distribute it?

airports?

And if they really could fulfill all those conditions...... how in the world would they protect themselves?

they could live in hazmat suits? i don't know chum, it was hypothetical - my point is, why is he assuming that the world's most powerful cabal of individuals to ever have existed, with all the resources of human civilization...rely on a bunch of soldiers as their last line of defence. i just used a virus as an example of one contigency. i'm sure if we sat down for 5 mins we could come up with loads more that don't involve living in hazmat suits

The idea of anything being that lethal on a mass scale of 8 Billion people is beyond a pipe dream. Completely ludicrous.

if i could synthesize something that spread like the common cold and sterilized all the men, i'm fairly certain it'd put a dent in the species.

If you look at the lethality of suicide rates, even attempts with firearms (the most lethal kind) only result in death 82% of the time-

the trajectory of a bullet is surprisingly difficult to measure when you're pointing it at your own face. many people aim for the temples, instead of the base of the skull, for example. fortunately, a virus would not be contingent on humanity's incompetence when it comes to self-termination.

Lethality of Suicide Methods

What Governs Lethality? A number of factors are theorized to influence the lethality of a given method. The first is inherent deadliness. For example, car exhaust with a high CO level will be more …

www.hsph.harvard.edu

You really think ANY virus or germ, natural or man made, can have a 13% higher lethality than a suicide attempt by firearm? Ridiculous. Only Ventalators in the Early days of COVID (at 97.2%) can approach that.

i don't know, like i said. i would like to think we'd give it a shot, though.

 

[tankasnowgod]

i don't know chum, it was hypothetical - my point is, why is he assuming that the world's most powerful cabal of individuals to ever have existed, with all the resources of human civilization...rely on a bunch of soldiers as their last line of defence. i just used a virus as an example of one contigency. i'm sure if we sat down for 5 mins we could come up with loads more that don't involve living in hazmat suits

Well, probably because they want to rely on something REAL, and not something that doesn't exist. If we want to go into the hypothetical, they could always just unleash Godzilla, or have the Vogons destroy the planet to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Both of those are just as realistic as your virus with a 95% kill rate. Maybe more so.

 

[Sweet Meat]

Well, probably because they want to rely on something REAL, and not something that doesn't exist.

you do realize the entire point i made revolved around asking....WHY DO YOU ASSUME THIS DOESN'T EXIST...right? hahaha

i dunno how many times i have to repeat myself. the fact that it's hypothetical is now a point of contention in your mind makes me laugh. only one person has actually tried to address the facts i've presented...since you don't seem to disagree with anything he said, and since he's no longer with us, maybe you can explain his point for me?

why do the world's most powerful people, with all the advantages of money, land, tech and control...rely on a bunch of soldiers as their last line of defence against humanity, when those soldiers would be by their very nature, working against you...since they are, ya know...human. lol

If we want to go into the hypothetical, they could always just unleash Godzilla, or have the Vogons destroy the planet to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Both of those are just as realistic as your virus with a 95% kill rate. Maybe more so.

kay

how about a nuclear bomb? i hear they kill stuff...and if they used enough of them, they could destroy all the satellites and thus all telecommunications, thus bringing an end to international trade and food distribution!

then we get nuclear winter, rendering any form of renewable energy impossible. we also get the benefit of emf's which would knock out all electronic technology that wasn't specifically protected, thus allowing our important elite to survive in some kind of faraday kingdom, laughing at all the plebs who were unlucky enough to survive the initial fall out and who's only hope lies in the becoming cave dwellers, living off the lichen they can lick off the rocks, breeding in darkness, hoping that the next few thousand years will pass quickly...

i feel like you seriously lack imagination, or you're just really trying to poke holes in something that is largely irrelevant to every other point i've made...

either or, it's bed time. i'll thank you in advance for explaining why soldiers > nukes in terms of destroying the world (from a realistic point of view) since apparently that's the only thing anyone wants to talk about ^_^

nn from me and maynard <3


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkHSmDxX1t4

 

[tankasnowgod]

you do realize the entire point i made revolved around asking....WHY DO YOU ASSUME THIS DOESN'T EXIST...right? hahaha

And I explicitly told you...... because there is zero evidence that it does, or even could, exist. So, again, same likelyhood with Godzilla and the Vogon theory.

Why would you assume Godzilla and Vogons don't exist? They have the same amount of evidence going for them as your imaginary virus.

i dunno how many times i have to repeat myself. the fact that it's hypothetical is now a point of contention in your mind makes me laugh. only one person has actually tried to address the facts i've presented...since you don't seem to disagree with anything he said, and since he's no longer with us, maybe you can explain his point for me?

You didn't present any facts, not in regards to a virus with a 95% kill rate for billions of people. Again, this is Godzilla/Vogon territory.

how about a nuclear bomb? i hear they kill stuff...and if they used enough of them, they could destroy all the satellites and thus all telecommunications, thus bringing an end to international trade and food distribution!

Yep, that might be a bigger threat. Those actually exist. But don't think they want the collateral damage. Although, I've heard people suggest that this was indeed the plan (Nuke the Earth), while the elite hide out in the DUMBS for a few decades until it's safe to return to the surface. I do indeed think this is a more likely scenario than your mythical virus.

I think they prefer a "Neutron Bomb" idea..... kill the people, leave the infrastructure in place. Though, don't think that's possible either.

i feel like you seriously lack imagination, or you're just really trying to poke holes in something that is largely irrelevant to every other point i've made...

I don't know what your point is, except for the idea of releasing a mythical, unproven virus. That's the only thing I was referring to.

 

[haidut]

i guess quantum computing is a pipe dream, as well.

Quite possibly so, at least in regards to the promises being made about it in regards to ending public key crypto, solving complex problems (i.e. NP-hard problems) in a fraction of the time classical computers do, revolutionizing finance, medicine, etc. As usual, it seems to be a classic pump and dump (so far) and quite a few people in the know (who are not getting paid to act as its PR agents), think the current state of it is an obvious scam. Kinda like..."general AI". Quantum computing is currently what "string theory" was in physics 10 years ago - i.e. a field not many people understand and is so esoteric that can attract a lot of money by just saying the right buzzwords.

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/quantum-computing-as-a-field-is-obvious-bull****/

Revolt! Scientists Say They're Sick of Quantum Computing's Hype

A Twitter account called Quantum bull**** Detector reflects some researchers' angst about overhyped claims and other troubling trends.

www.wired.com

Quantum Computing: A Bubble Ready to Burst?

Quantum physics has the potential to redefine how computers communicate and ensure that no one could ever hack them. But many experts can’t see the finish line, let alone know when we’ll get there.

www.pcmag.com

IBM’s top executive says, quantum computers will never reign supreme over classical ones

But, the quantum machines will work in concert with classical computers, building on each other's unique strengths, Gargi Dasgupta, Director, IBM research in India, noted.

www.thehindu.com

QRL and the truth about how quantum computing is a hoax and all skeptics were right in the first place

It’s true. They were 100% right with no mistakes whatsoever

www.theqrl.org

As far as the East-West issue - I don't think the problems of the West are lack of resources. It is the "theft" of resources by the elite from the productive population and hoarding a massive amount of debt that can only be monetized by destroying economies and acquiring assets on the cheap. Sooner or later that option stops working as "hard" assets will run out. The West has adopted a "financial capitalism" (neo-feudalism) model and is cannibalizing its own as that model cannot do anything else, while the East has the old-fashioned "industrial capitalism" model. If the debt bubble of the corrupt elite is allowed to pop (sure that will cause a financial depression, food shortages and even deaths) the West will reset back to normality quite quickly and can easily compete with the East as the overall "quality" of the human resources, on average, in the West is still (though rapidly declining due to the elite's genocidal games) of much higher quality than what India/China can offer at their current state of development.

The Consequences of Moving from Industrial to Financial Capitalism

Michael Hudson and Pepe Escobar last month took a hard look at rent and rent-seeking at the Henry George School of Social Science. Pepe Escobar in conversation with Michael Hudson At The Henry George School of Social Science Michael Hudson: Well, I'm honored to be here on the same sh

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There’s no jealousy between America and China. They’re different, they have their own way. We are going to destroy them. And if you look at the analogy that the Americans draw —and this is how the Pentagon thinks — with the war between Athens and Sparta. It’s hard to tell, which is which. Here you have Athens, a democracy backing other democracies and having the military support of the democracies and the military in these democracies all had to pay Athens protection money for the military support and that’s the money that Athens got to ostensibly support its navy and protection that built up all of the Athenian public buildings and everything else. So, that’s a democracy exploiting its allies, to enrich itself via the military. Then you have Sparta, which was funding all of the oligarchies, and it was helping the oligarchies overthrow democracies. Well, that was America too. So, America is both sides of the Thucydides war if the democracy is exploiting the fellow democracies and is the supporter of oligarchies in Brazil, Latin America, Africa and everyone else. So, you could say the Thucydides problem was between two sides, two aspects of America and has nothing to do with China at all except, for the fact that the whole war was a war between economic systems. They’re acting as if somehow if only China did not export to us, we could be re-industrialized and somehow export to Europe and the Third World. And as you and I have described, it’s over. We painted ourselves into such a debt corner that without writing down the debts, we’re in the same position that the Eurozone is in. There’s so much money that goes to the creditors to the top 1 percent or 5 percent that there is no money for capital investment, there is no money for growth. And, since 1980 as you know, real wages in America have been stable. All the growth has been in property owners and predators and the FIRE sector, the rest of the economy is in stagnation. And now the coronavirus has simply acted as a catalyst to make it very clear that the game is over; it’s time to move away from the homeowner economy to rentier economy, time for Blackstone to be the landlord. America wants to recreate the British landlord class and essentially what we’re seeing now is like the Norman invasion of England taking over the land and the infrastructure. That’s what Blackstone would love to do in China. “There’s so much money that goes to the creditors to the top 1 percent or 5 percent that there is no money for capital investment, there is no money for growth.”

That's why the troops are coming in. The elite know technology won't save them and are getting ready to clamp down on the plebs once they realize they have been had. If technology was the answer and was a way out, it would have been pursued relentlessly, and without the need of a fake "pandemic". The controlled demolition of the Western economies is very much desperate looting at this point, because the cat is out of the bag. Just my 2c.
@tankasnowgod

 

[Lollipop2]

That's why the troops are coming in. The elite know technology won't save them and are getting ready to clamp down on the plebs once they realize they have been had. If technology was the answer and was a way out, it would have been pursued relentlessly, and without the need of a fake "pandemic". The controlled demolition of the Western economies is very much desperate looting at this point, because the cat is out of the bag. Just my 2c.
@tankasnowgod

Precisely. They have been looting the US since late 1990’s - now they have driven in the final stake.