It's better to lose weight. OP also stated if you have no immediate health problems.If you are already overweight is it better to lose weight or is it better to remain fat?
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It's better to lose weight. OP also stated if you have no immediate health problems.If you are already overweight is it better to lose weight or is it better to remain fat?
It's better to lose weight. OP also stated if you have no immediate health problems.
It isn't the panacea at all. Far from it. Most people who lose weight end up sicker than before. Almost 100% of them.
I don't agree. There are numerous studies showing how wrong this is.
... most people who lose weight are much less healthy as a result of their weight loss, and will die sooner and get more disease as a result of losing weight.
You seem to come off very strongly that if a person is fat, they are better of not losing weight, but I find this odd since you yourself are trying to lose weight. Are you special?
Would it be true to say that you DO believe a fat person is better of loosing body fat, but only if they do it in a way that you see fit?
Also where are you getting your figures that almost 100% of fat people are sicker after losing weight? And even if they are sicker at some point, how could you know they won't be better off for it in the long run? Maybe its stressful or toxic to lose fat, but it makes sense to me that its something we should do rather then carry fat on us. Bad for joints, hormones, estrogen.
How could you possibly know that most people in the world who loose weight, will in fact die sooner because of loosing that weight? Do you have studies? How much weight? How could you know they wouldn't have died sooner if they didn't lose the weight? How could you know it is directly because of weight loss?
Your claims seem extremely bold and absurd.
all the difference in the world, in fact ...There's a huge difference between being lean with low muscle mass and being lean with higher muscle mass though.
Good luck to you and keep us postedI think I can handle it.
That's a good point, the OP did not mention his current % bodyfat and what target % he has in mind.Is it better to be 10-15% bodyfat than 35% probably.
I've known plenty of dead from cancer / heart attack 10%ers tho.
One of the managers at a Sprouts near me started on a program a few years ago. She didn't go no carb, but lowered the carbs and upped the protein. She also got a personal trainer to make sure she "lost weight the right way." She did some higher intensity stuff sometimes, but was doing basic weight lifting, squats, cardio, etc.
Today, she can no longer work out. The 20-30lbs she lost is back. Her back is all messed up, she is constantly going to the chiropractor, getting acupuncture, taking muscle relaxers for the constant pain and muscle cramps.
She's a particularly horrific example, she already has a higher physical job which is an X factor. But the fact remains, her decisions over a two year period are going to leave her with decades of pain for the rest of her life.
You know if you are young and losing some weight will get you some better opportunities at finding a good partner and a good job, I think you can make a case for losing some weight. The benefits outweigh the risks. But as soon as you get over 30, and especially over 40, think long and hard. The woman I mentioned above was in either late 30s or early 40s.It's hard for me to believe that losing 20-30 pounds of blubber is going to debilitate the average person for life.
It makes sense to me that stored fat is toxic and burning it as energy could be bad for you, so you gotta go slow and be careful. But if you have too much unsightly fat on you, I think you gotta burn it off at some point in order to be the healthiest you can be in the future. I mean are some people suggesting you just stay fat because it is too dangerous to burn off? Seems crazy to me.
Also I think there is a mental aspect of looking good that makes a person feel good. If a person doenst like how they look because of body fat, I think losing it will make them feel better.
For what purpose are you trying to assess health priorities? Are you aiming to optimise future health (in which case avoiding significant health risks would perhaps be the point?), or something else?Danger is my middle name. I think I can handle it.
Your feeling sure doesn't make it fact.One thing is for sure. Losing fat, if you have too much of it (which is less than a lot of people think) is the simplest and most straightforward way to increase health.
Did you read this:Do you have studies?
"There was no evidence for weight loss conferring either benefit or risk among healthy obese. In conclusion, the available evidence does not support solely advising overweight or obese individuals who are otherwise healthy to lose weight as a means of prolonging life. "A review and meta-analysis of the effect of weight loss on all-cause mortality risk
A review and meta-analysis of the effect of weight loss on all-cause mortality risk | Nutrition Research Reviews | Cambridge Core
Why were you asking the question in the first place if you are just going to attack someone who gives you an informed opinion?You seem to come off very strongly that if a person is fat, they are better of not losing weight, ...
+1... working on the reasons for that fat being there is really really good (inflammation and stress), losing weight is controversial.
Even if one reached a conclusion about whether it might be a good idea to try to find a safish way to lose "excess" fat, defining what is "excess" is not necessarily straightforward. Some common standards define BMI > 25 (assuming not a body builder/highly muscled etc) as 'overweight'. But since even if one just considers averages and not individual variations, lowest mortality seems to fall in the s-called 'overweight' category, I think it's a misleading term.I'm glad olive oil is helping you, but I don't think I have any of the issues you have (no pain), just the fat body.
CONCLUSIONS: Among individuals that are not severely obese, weight loss is associated with increased mortality rate and fat loss with decreased mortality rate.
That study makes it clear that ONLY fat loss confers benefits. But other studies don't even bear that out, I might add.
It is not straightforward. I know for a FACT that many men and women who lose weight end up very sick. It is routine. Very few people lose weight and are more healthy as a result.
That's why I say it's dangerous. Not that you shouldn't do it, but you have to understand the risks and for many if not most people, they are better off supporting their metabolism and getting healthy at their existing weight.
One study I looked at found that when people lose weight and regain it, they are worse off, but those who do NOT regain all of it, but only some of it, are MUCH worse off.
I'm super confused. This study says that fat loss was associated with DECREASED mortality rate. That's a good thing, no?
And this thread is all about fat loss (it's in thread title). I've been really clear in asking about how to lose body fat, not "weight" (whatever that is). I mean, who the heck would want to loose muscle, bone, etc anyway? And there was also a discussion about lean vs skinny in the beginning of this thread. We all agreed how awesome it is to have lots of muscle and low body fat, so this was about how to loose fat.
I think we agree that loosing body fat is good because you said you are trying to lose weight (I'm guessing you mean body fat) slowly. And you posted a study about how fat loss makes you live longer.
It makes sense that loosing body fat could be dangerous, so precautions should be made. Maybe you could tell us more what exactly you're doing to make the fat loss process less dangerous. What are you monitoring? Supplements, etc?
I've seen lots of discussions about rapid PUFA depletion by doing Very Low Fat diet. That is what makes most sense to me right now. Keep carbs and protein high and don't eat much dietary fat, so your body can burn your body fat. Hopefully the carbs and protein help keep metabolism up. But maybe this isn't what you're doing?
The most important thing is the first 3 words of this reply of yours
"I'm super confused"
congratulations.
progress is imminent.
Are you an actual monkey?