Low Toxin Lifestyle Detox Ideology is the WORST Toxin, AVOID!

[Nick]

The detox theory has merit in that you no longer fear diarrhoea, a cough, a runny nose etc.

And, importantly, you realize that many of the supplements, and medications that can suppress these symptoms are suppressing an essential process of the body.

 

[Richiebogie]

Do the young seek out pain and misery in some bid for future glory? No! They seek only goodness, pleasure, love, and life. Only the very sick of mind and body get lost in this detox like delusion.

The way Charlie describes it, it sounds like detox is comprised of short periods of bad health leading to long periods of sustained improvements in health.

How is that a bad thing?

We must focus on a goal to achieve it.

Or are you saying raw meat takes you to good health instantly?

I think Darren Hayes is singing here about the high he gets from eating raw calf liver in order to escape his uncomfortable bouts of sniffles:


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Col15AJMUpM

 

[Bozidar]

It seems this forum has shifted to embracing the low vitamin A path. This makes me very happy. I was amongst the first to adopt this lifestyle and it was one of the best things I've done. I interviewed both Garrett Smith and the OG Grant Genereux a couple times on my podcast. I am personally convinced this path is correct.

But a sickness has crept in that I must address.

I agree and practice many of Dr. Garrett Smith’s practical advice. EMF, sunlight, avoiding VA, moving bowels, etc. But I highly disagree with his ideology around detox. I think it’s bad for you, and serves his own needs.

I have been in the health industry now for almost 15 years, both personally and professionally. You must know, doctors need a hook to get you to keep coming back. In the natural world, it is detox. You feel bad now, but later you will feel better. It may take years, but if you have the dedication, you will be healthy and happy one day. In Christian terms, if you follow the Law, you will gain righteousness and salvation.

I would be an awful natural doctor in business terms. I would want people to feel better and full of life right now. I wouldn’t have any residual income, only gratefulness. Focusing on detox/the Law warps your mindset. You lose touch with the burning life of this moment, and live for the future good.

For example, when someone buys you a cake for your birthday (if you even have friends left), you refuse to eat a bite, why?

If you were truly alive, you would not eat because it made you feel bad: “sorry, that would give me terrible heart burn to eat that, I can’t.” People would understand, a new cake would be brought, no life force would be disrupted.

But when you live under detox/the Law, you refuse because it threatens your future good. You COULD eat a bite of cake without harm, but you don’t want to because you are under this toxic ideology of suffering.

Life is fire and movement. There is so much going on out there. Have you taken any risks lately? Have you rolled the dice in some new scenario? Things are constantly passing away and being reborn in fire and glory.

Listening to Dr. Smith is listening to a very sick man. He goes on and on about all the threats out there. He rants and raves about “them” and their plans to make you sick. This battle is constant and never ending, just like his detox journey which you can pay him to be on.

Back before he blew up his marriage and family, we made plans to hang out. He lives in AZ like me and we were going to shoot guns or something. But it never happened as his life spiraled lower. He lives on war, and war alone.

But Tarman, surely you do not deny the evil forces out there? Of course not! And being aware of them is crucial to living well. But they are weak and feeble in the long run. No one will talk about the Rothschilds in a couple hundred years. They pass away. Only goodness, love, and truth survive. Healthy people do not focus on these forces. They live with hope.

But Tarman, I feel better on low VA and his advice, are you saying we should ignore this? Never! I do many of these things because they make me feel good RIGHT NOW. Because they make me energetic, outgoing, talkative, and engaging. But I have no thoughts to some future good I am getting to because of these things. There is no scorecard. There are no mistakes.

Maybe it is the raw meat I eat, or the rapamycin. But the passion I feel finally woke me up to this amazing life.

Look at the healthiest among us, the young people. Do they worry about the future? No. Your worries about the future are your inflammation talking. The young live for the intensity of this moment and connection.

Do the young seek out pain and misery in some bid for future glory? No! They seek only goodness, pleasure, love, and life. Only the very sick of mind and body get lost in this detox like delusion.

But you are not young anymore! You have wisdom now. How much richer can your life be, knowing the pitfalls the young do not?

Forget this detox ideology. Loosen up and just listen. You will find life and connection.

You nailed it!

I think its also important to understand how these ideologies come to be.
I observe that really everything works on this economic principle of need and fullfilment of that need.

Christian ideology/philosophy of suffering, self denial and sacrifice came as a fullfilment of a need in the time of declining Roman Empire.
Thing were getting worse and worse, there was no immediate solution and since you cannot live in this constant fear for your future and constantly see how bad things are, you need to turn away from that, exchange personal happiness for happiness of grater good(self sacrifice), make that everyday suffering into a virtue.
There was a need for a solution to declining Roman Empire and st. Augustine gave it to the people with embedding neo platonism into Christianity.
Old testament and Jesus teachings on the side now. I am not talking against that.

You can notice a comeback of Christianity in todays times because things are getting worse again, the same way as it was in declining Roman Empire.

The same is when it comes to diet.
There is so much uncertainty about what to eat, people are getting sicker and sicker and there come ideologies of Garrett Smith and Generaux to rescue which is not really a solution, but a defense mechanism just like Christianity ideology is.
Again, teachings of Old Testament, Jesus, avoiding toxins are still very valid.

Its becoming more and more clear to me how Christian philosophy is just a seller finding its customer.


Hope this makes sense.

 

[PopSocket]

Physical detox is nothing more than an internal INTOX. Very similar to releasing deeply stored emotional and stressful traumas. One needs to release them into the system by bringing them onto the surface, face them, feel bad for a while, maybe cry or get angry, process them consciously in order to release them and finally heal.

If one wants to feel GOOD RIGHT NOW, I think one is missing the point of long term mental and physical health. This is similar idea to taking antidepressants or drinking instead of facing the situation that makes you depressed and deal with it. Not easy but worth it at the end.

I do agree though that paying too much attention to the evil in this world is extremely bad as energetic intox is just as real. Knowing too much when emotionally invested makes you think about questions that have NO answer. Extremely stressful. Makes you look terrible too. A doctor of internal disease medicine once advised me to never think about things that have no answer as the body under this immense stress produces a lot of acidic byproducts and poisons itself. I think he is spot on with this advice.

 

[marcar72]

Personally, I would find immense joy in facing mortality tomorrow if I were assured of my soul's justification and eternal salvation.

So it's sounding to me like you haven't been saved yet. I was born again in 1985 at a Christian youth retreat. God bless!!

 

[bruschi11]

Honestly think the Garrett Smith guy fell into a lot of luck. I don’t think he’s smarter than anybody else. He found the low A thing and things happened for him. Amazing things.

His big 5 minerals are no brainer supps. If you’ve been in health world the last decade or two you’d know these need to go in body as you correct your health.

His tweets on twitter/X are so obnoxious and he says things trying to act like tough guy. He really only has one good idea. And there are much much smarter people that can use that one good idea to help develop approaches for people.

Someone mentioned he said “I don’t look at manganese and iron on htma”…. lol. That’s laughable as these are psycho important minerals. And low iron/ manganese don’t need to be supplemented always when low. I don’t think he has any understanding of HTMA concepts and tries to act like he does. Like he cannot read an htma, has no understanding of it. Many people can. He can’t.

It’s honestly silly I’m writing about this guy on a website. He’s not smart. He’s not special.

But he carried an idea that wasn’t really his own and it became extremely successful for tons of people. I’ll give it to him for that.

It’s kind of like life though. Growing up I was always the leader, the athlete, bright… my future looked stupendous. I had EVERYTHiNg going for me. One health issue leads to a decade of ups and downs then a huge failing time period led to this now bed ridden state for over a year now.

While a family I grew up with- mainly father/son im talking about. Good good people. Very nice and hard working. But not the brightest bulbs in the room. Like you can’t have in depth conversations with them like the higher IQheads. They have one idea for a company/ profession. It’s a major need for the area and boom they’re making 10s of millions of dollars year in year out.

It’s not about being the best all around in this world. You find one thing that works amazing…. It can define you. Even if you’re…. Not that great. This kind of defines this Garrett Smith dude.

 

[PopSocket]

@bruschi11 Being connected to God and your intuition is a lot more valuable in life than having a high IQ. In fact I would argue having high IQ can only lead to problems as thinking too much without having the whole puzzle leads only to further and deeper problems.

So many high IQ people got themselves into serious health issues thinking they know it all just to turn out that they know nothing at all.

I don't think he got lucky. You don't simply get lucky to find out that vA is a toxin. Nor he got lucky searching for the answers for all those years doing countless mistakes on the way.

 

[Dutchie]

I don't think he got lucky. You don't simply get lucky to find out that vA is a toxin. Nor he got lucky searching for the answers for all those years doing countless mistakes on the way.

You're rigth, he didn't get lucky......he jumps on bandwagons and mooches off people for his own profit.
It's what he did back in the day with 180DegreeHealth, trying to profit off the popularity&number of readers that Matt Stone had built up.
Now, he's done it again by taking Grant Genereux 's work (Grant is actually the one who 'was lucky' to discover the thing about vit.A), spinning it for his own financial gain.

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 Being connected to God and your intuition is a lot more valuable in life than having a high IQ. In fact I would argue having high IQ can only lead to problems as thinking too much without having the whole puzzle leads only to further and deeper problems.

So many high IQ people got themselves into serious health issues thinking they know it all just to turn out that they know nothing at all.

I don't think he got lucky. You don't simply get lucky to find out that vA is a toxin. Nor he got lucky searching for the answers for all those years doing countless mistakes on the way.

You’re right about the high IQ thing for lots of people. I’m one of them.

Health is extremely complex. There’s a lot lot lot to it. You absolutely need a heavy IQ if you want to talk health with a large number of people the way he is doing.

He doesn’t have answers. Like many in this health world. Other than it works.

People with higher IQs will give answers in regards to biochemistry and what is actually happening that make sense. Have to realize body chemistry is what gets fixed when people get better with these issues. Why is that?!

This guy doesn’t have the answers. He might have the recipe for success. But why is that recipe working so well? He can’t answer it. Nowhere close.

 

[Tarmander]

Your logic is flawed.
The young feel good and vibrant because they haven't worn out their health capital yet, not because they don't worry about tomorrow.
You start worrying about tomorrow because one day you wake up and realize you don't have as much energy as yesterday, and maybe it's time you save some of that energy until you find a way to produce more.

I used to always worry about the future and the future of my health when I was 17. That didn't prevent me from exercising 6 days a week, have sex 5 times a night, party 3 days in a row and still have the mental capacity to study in the top 1% college and to worry about the future.

The detox theory has merit in that you no longer fear diarrhoea, a cough, a runny nose etc.

Rather than being caused by some bat virus or some person at the shops not wearing a mask, detox means that most symptoms come from within, and are a positive development in that they lead to better health.

@Tarmander are you saying that detox is not real, and that every symptom is a sign of a problem, or are you saying that detox is not something to be chased, or that ideally detox happens slowly without our knowledge?

The way Charlie describes it, it sounds like detox is comprised of short periods of bad health leading to long periods of sustained improvements in health.

How is that a bad thing?

We must focus on a goal to achieve it.

Or are you saying raw meat takes you to good health instantly?

I think Darren Hayes is singing here about the high he gets from eating raw calf liver in order to escape his uncomfortable bouts of sniffles:


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Col15AJMUpM

This isn't about logic, or pushing some kind of hedonism. Or denying that the body detoxifies itself. You aren't understanding it

I was on a "health journey" for years. I posted here regularly. I debated ideas. Ran experiments. And through it all I was dead.

None of this was LIFE. I was a fool until I saw what life was really. When you experience life, the raw energy that moves you, it is like a river that you are either in the flow of, or aren't.

The ideology of detox is anti-life. When you believe it, you are substituting actual life for a counterfeit that promises life but never delivers.

Young people can tap into this river much easier then old people. They can have flow and charisma. It comes naturally to them. They spend their time on the best of things...dance, sex, love, family, community, fulfilling work. I shouldn't have to tell you what is the best of life because humans haven't changed.

This forum is a hospital, sometimes you have to go to a hospital. Get what you need, and get the hell out and start living. Even if you are bed bound, you can find life

 

[Kray]

He said in a recent livestream that his diet would make one very fertile and advised using condoms to avoid pregnancy. I called him out for it and told him that using condoms is a sin, to which he called me a pejorative and said not to turn it into a religious debate, even though he was the one who turned it into a religious debate the moment he recommended a moral action, namely using condoms.

I don't consider him a Christian, even though he may call himself one, and it's a great scandal for him to tell his viewers to partake in sinful conduct, such as using condoms and engaging in fornication. However, his diet recommendations have already led to impressive results in my health. For example, the magnesium spray that he recommends has already relieved hypertension that I've been dealing with for over a year on the Ray Peat diet. His theories also explain many of the issues I had after heavy vitamin D supplementation and following the keto diet years back.

I truly hope for his conversion to Christ, and perhaps if you are struggling with your faith, it might be advisable to learn about his diet from other sources so as not to weaken your soul by hearing and being recommended to sin and use condoms. But I don't think there's any doubt that his diet recommendations work. He tested it on himself, and as a 48-year-old man, he has the testosterone levels that men half his age would like to have.

In addition, it's crucial to distinguish between physical well-being and faith in Christ. While good health is valuable, it doesn't necessarily correlate with one's spiritual standing. A person may endure poor health yet maintain unwavering faith, just as someone with robust health might lead a morally bankrupt life destined for condemnation. Personally, I would find immense joy in facing mortality tomorrow if I were assured of my soul's justification and eternal salvation. So, if you think your soul is saved because you're following his diet advice or that's the solution to the massive moral problems in America like the prevalence of crime, abortion, pornography, homosexuality, etc., then you are gravely mistaken. There is no substitute for living a moral life, and no diet will necessarily make you wiser in the eyes of God.

For emphasis, though I will say once again that I do think his medical advice is correct.

 

[Kray]

He said in a recent livestream that his diet would make one very fertile and advised using condoms to avoid pregnancy. I called him out for it and told him that using condoms is a sin, to which he called me a pejorative and said not to turn it into a religious debate, even though he was the one who turned it into a religious debate the moment he recommended a moral action, namely using condoms.

I don't consider him a Christian, even though he may call himself one, and it's a great scandal for him to tell his viewers to partake in sinful conduct, such as using condoms and engaging in fornication. However, his diet recommendations have already led to impressive results in my health. For example, the magnesium spray that he recommends has already relieved hypertension that I've been dealing with for over a year on the Ray Peat diet. His theories also explain many of the issues I had after heavy vitamin D supplementation and following the keto diet years back.

I truly hope for his conversion to Christ, and perhaps if you are struggling with your faith, it might be advisable to learn about his diet from other sources so as not to weaken your soul by hearing and being recommended to sin and use condoms. But I don't think there's any doubt that his diet recommendations work. He tested it on himself, and as a 48-year-old man, he has the testosterone levels that men half his age would like to have.

In addition, it's crucial to distinguish between physical well-being and faith in Christ. While good health is valuable, it doesn't necessarily correlate with one's spiritual standing. A person may endure poor health yet maintain unwavering faith, just as someone with robust health might lead a morally bankrupt life destined for condemnation. Personally, I would find immense joy in facing mortality tomorrow if I were assured of my soul's justification and eternal salvation. So, if you think your soul is saved because you're following his diet advice or that's the solution to the massive moral problems in America like the prevalence of crime, abortion, pornography, homosexuality, etc., then you are gravely mistaken. There is no substitute for living a moral life, and no diet will necessarily make you wiser in the eyes of God.

For emphasis, though I will say once again that I do think his medical advice is correct.

Thank you for your post. 100% agree

 

[PopSocket]

Have to realize body chemistry is what gets fixed when people get better with these issues. Why is that?!

This guy doesn’t have the answers. He might have the recipe for success. But why is that recipe working so well? He can’t answer it. Nowhere close.

He does not fix anything. Nor he is the one that gets people better.

All he does is allows the Energy/God/Source (whichever one prefers) to fix the biochemistry by moving away things that are in the flow aka toxins, emf etc.

 

[lamassu]

The whole thing is pretty weird. On one hand, could too much vitamin A have negative effects? Sure! More than plausible. But the dogmatic and authoritarian behavior of the vitamin A toxicity theory proponents is pretty off putting, not open minded, and not very Peaty for lack of a better word.

 

[Dutchie]

You’re right about the high IQ thing for lots of people. I’m one of them.

Health is extremely complex. There’s a lot lot lot to it. You absolutely need a heavy IQ if you want to talk health with a large number of people the way he is doing.

He doesn’t have answers. Like many in this health world. Other than it works.

People with higher IQs will give answers in regards to biochemistry and what is actually happening that make sense. Have to realize body chemistry is what gets fixed when people get better with these issues. Why is that?!

This guy doesn’t have the answers. He might have the recipe for success. But why is that recipe working so well? He can’t answer it. Nowhere close.

This makes me think of an interview with an illusionist, I saw once.
He said the most difficult crowd to fool were kids, while the crowd easiest to fool are highly intellectual people.

 

[AOSJ]

He said in a recent livestream that his diet would make one very fertile and advised using condoms to avoid pregnancy. I called him out for it and told him that using condoms is a sin, to which he called me a pejorative and said not to turn it into a religious debate, even though he was the one who turned it into a religious debate the moment he recommended a moral action, namely using condoms.

I don't consider him a Christian, even though he may call himself one, and it's a great scandal for him to tell his viewers to partake in sinful conduct, such as using condoms and engaging in fornication. However, his diet recommendations have already led to impressive results in my health. For example, the magnesium spray that he recommends has already relieved hypertension that I've been dealing with for over a year on the Ray Peat diet. His theories also explain many of the issues I had after heavy vitamin D supplementation and following the keto diet years back.

I truly hope for his conversion to Christ, and perhaps if you are struggling with your faith, it might be advisable to learn about his diet from other sources so as not to weaken your soul by hearing and being recommended to sin and use condoms. But I don't think there's any doubt that his diet recommendations work. He tested it on himself, and as a 48-year-old man, he has the testosterone levels that men half his age would like to have.

In addition, it's crucial to distinguish between physical well-being and faith in Christ. While good health is valuable, it doesn't necessarily correlate with one's spiritual standing. A person may endure poor health yet maintain unwavering faith, just as someone with robust health might lead a morally bankrupt life destined for condemnation. Personally, I would find immense joy in facing mortality tomorrow if I were assured of my soul's justification and eternal salvation. So, if you think your soul is saved because you're following his diet advice or that's the solution to the massive moral problems in America like the prevalence of crime, abortion, pornography, homosexuality, etc., then you are gravely mistaken. There is no substitute for living a moral life, and no diet will necessarily make you wiser in the eyes of God.

For emphasis, though I will say once again that I do think his medical advice is correct.

Nice to read such eternal life driven commentary - a fellow Catholic I presume?

 

[DanDare]

To be honest I don't know why people are so caught up in the personality of various people, I just find it irrelevant. Look at the facts. A man is still alive after 10 years as close to zero vit A as possible, even to the point of eating buffalo instead of beef for a small reduction, and his health according to numerous tests is better than ever. How is this so? personality of the person telling you this is irrelevant unless you are operating on a very basic level of critical thinking.

 

[Blossom]

Nice to read such eternal life driven commentary

Agree.

 

[xborg]

... In Christian terms, if you follow the Law, you will gain righteousness and salvation. ...

Side bar: Seriously warped analogy but for future reference, if you said, "In Judaism's terms" you'd nail it.
Carry on.

 

[Sebastian B]

@marcar72

Salvation occurs after death. One must be in a state of justification to be saved. This entails being free of all sin, so receiving absolution from a properly ordained priest at the sacrament of confession is required, and one must be in the bosom and unity of the Church, for there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.