Hillary Clinton "goes To Sleep"

[johns74]

Costs in U.S. armed forces and U.S. dollars for the war in Iraq:

4,425 deaths
32,223 wounded in action

$818 Billion dollars spent[/font]

Those were caused more by Hillary Clinton, who supported the Iraq War, than Trump, who opposed it. Your conclusion is the exact opposite of the truth.

 

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post 116308

I'm not on any meds other than aspirin.

You shouldn't take aspirin. That's why your iron is too low.

My iron level is fine, according to Ray. It was actually slightly above the saturation level Ray recommends.

 

[johns74]

My iron level is fine, according to Ray. It was actually slightly above the saturation level Ray recommends.

You can interpret high saturation as high iron only when both ferritin and transferrin saturation are high. If one is high and the other is low, you can't.

 

[narouz]

post 116245

The reason I bother to post stuff in this thread is to speak out against
what I've long seen to be a pattern on this forum--and a damn weird one!--
the odd tendency of right-wingers/libertarians/conspiracy theory fans
to for some reason imagine that Ray Peat shares or embodies their views.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Lol lol lol

We've had this discussion in the past, Narouz, and you were proved wrong.
Now, with the transcription projects' help, hear Ray referring to himself as a conspirator:

KG: Are your parents still alive?

RP: No, they died 40 years ago.

KG: You miss them.

RP: Oh sure.

KG: Did they understand you and your work?

RP: Oh yeah, they were collaborators.

KG: Really?

RP: Yeah.

KG: Were they scientists or doctors?

RP: No. Just co­‐conspirators in finding things out.

KG: A lot of people dream of having parents like that.

RP: Yeah.

https://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/view ... =73&t=6463

I highlighted that very quote from Peat over a year-and-a-half ago, burt:
https://raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4072

So I was a fan of it, and even before you were.
Btw, your transcription project is a wonderful resource,
and I am grateful to you and to all those who transcribed.

Now, on the point of conspiracy and Peat...
I think it is all about the content of one's conspirings.

Here is an excerpt from Walker Percy's book The Second Coming:

“Is there another way? People either believe everything or they believe nothing. People like the Christians or Californians believe anything, everything. People like you and Lewis Peckham and the professors and scientists believe nothing. Is there another way?”

Some who post here seem to believe Anything and Everything
when it comes to conspiracy.
We even had a poster on here for a while
who viewed conspiracy theory as a science.

In the case of Peat and the quote I noted before you,
he is largely joking around with fondness about his parents' support
of his Skeptical nature.
Peat is, of course, very skeptical of the medical/science/pharma industry,
of politicians,
and of corporations.

But to make the leap from that reasoned skepticism
to the kind of sweeping, paranoid, right-wing survivalist style conspiracy theories
indulged in by a certain subset here on the forum...
that's a leap too far, my friend.

 

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post 116321

post 116245

The reason I bother to post stuff in this thread is to speak out against
what I've long seen to be a pattern on this forum--and a damn weird one!--
the odd tendency of right-wingers/libertarians/conspiracy theory fans
to for some reason imagine that Ray Peat shares or embodies their views.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Lol lol lol

We've had this discussion in the past, Narouz, and you were proved wrong.
Now, with the transcription projects' help, hear Ray referring to himself as a conspirator:

KG: Are your parents still alive?

RP: No, they died 40 years ago.

KG: You miss them.

RP: Oh sure.

KG: Did they understand you and your work?

RP: Oh yeah, they were collaborators.

KG: Really?

RP: Yeah.

KG: Were they scientists or doctors?

RP: No. Just co­‐conspirators in finding things out.

KG: A lot of people dream of having parents like that.

RP: Yeah.

https://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/view ... =73&t=6463

I highlighted that very quote from Peat over a year-and-a-half ago, burt:
https://raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4072

So I was a fan of it, and even before you were.
Btw, your transcription project is a wonderful resource,
and I am grateful to you and to all those who transcribed.

Now, on the point of conspiracy and Peat...
I think it is all about the content of one's conspirings.

Here is an excerpt from Walker Percy's book The Second Coming:

“Is there another way? People either believe everything or they believe nothing. People like the Christians or Californians believe anything, everything. People like you and Lewis Peckham and the professors and scientists believe nothing. Is there another way?”

Some who post here seem to believe Anything and Everything
when it comes to conspiracy.
We even had a poster on here for a while
who viewed conspiracy theory as a science.

In the case of Peat and the quote I noted before you,
he is largely joking around with fondness about his parents' support
of his Skeptical nature.
Peat is, of course, very skeptical of the medical/science/pharma industry,
of politicians,
and of corporations.

But to make the leap from that reasoned skepticism
to the kind of sweeping, paranoid, right-wing survivalist style conspiracy theories
indulged in by a certain subset here on the forum...
that's a leap too far, my friend.

The classic straw-man argument. I knew it was only a matter of time before this type of post popped up.

 

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post 116315

My iron level is fine, according to Ray. It was actually slightly above the saturation level Ray recommends.

You can interpret high saturation as high iron only when both ferritin and transferrin saturation are high. If one is high and the other is low, you can't.

Why don't you stay on topic buddy.

 

[narouz]

post 116310

Costs in U.S. armed forces and U.S. dollars for the war in Iraq:

4,425 deaths
32,223 wounded in action

$818 Billion dollars spent[/font]

Those were caused more by Hillary Clinton, who supported the Iraq War, than Trump, who opposed it. Your conclusion is the exact opposite of the truth.

Review your history, my friend.
Yes, H. Clinton initially supported the war.
She has for a while now said she was mistaken in that.

The Iraq war was by far and without question a Republican led effort,
with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, et al, at the helm.
Yours is an effort to revise historical reality.

And that reality continues into this present political season,
with Trump and Cruz and the whole Republican gang throwing out red meat at every chance.
And they throw it out because it is voraciously devoured
by followers of a certain political stripe.
Trump specializes in that stripe and knows how to tickle their fancy.

 

[narouz]

post 116325

post 116315

My iron level is fine, according to Ray. It was actually slightly above the saturation level Ray recommends.

You can interpret high saturation as high iron only when both ferritin and transferrin saturation are high. If one is high and the other is low, you can't.

Why don't you stay on topic buddy.

You guys would seem to be on the same team!
And still the hardened, aggressive, estrogenic, Trumpish venom flows uncontrollably....

 

[johns74]

Review your history, my friend.

No need to review my history, Trump and Cruz are not from the wing of the Republican Party who led the Iraq War: the neocons. In fact, they're hated by the neocons. Hillary Clinton however is a neocon.

In a comparison between Trump and Clinton, there is no doubt for any informed person of who is more responsible for the deaths for profit from the Iraq war. Trump has zero responsibility. Hillary Clinton voted for it. As a Senator, her role in authorizing the war is only second to the President.

 

[narouz]

The classic straw-man argument. I knew it was only a matter of time before this type of post popped up.

Here, I've fixed it for ya, Man Who Has Found The Answers:

The classic Reality argument. I knew it was only a matter of time before this type of post popped up.

 

[johns74]

Yes, H. Clinton initially supported the war.
She has for a while now said she was mistaken in that.

It looks like she either doesn't learn from her mistakes, or she simply lied, because she led another deadly war which helped to create fertile ground for ISIS and terrorists in Libya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

 

[johns74]

Hillary Clinton supported the Iraq War. Trump opposed it.

Hillary Clinton led the Libya war. Cruz opposed it.

It takes some real dedication to evade reality to conclude that Cruz and Trump represent the deaths in the Iraq war.

 

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post 116335

The classic straw-man argument. I knew it was only a matter of time before this type of post popped up.

Here, I've fixed in for ya, Man Who Has Found The Answers:

The classic Reality argument. I knew it was only a matter of time before this type of post popped up.

Oh, how convenient.

 

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post 116328

post 116325

post 116315

My iron level is fine, according to Ray. It was actually slightly above the saturation level Ray recommends.

You can interpret high saturation as high iron only when both ferritin and transferrin saturation are high. If one is high and the other is low, you can't.

Why don't you stay on topic buddy.

You guys would seem to be on the same team!
And still the hardened, aggressive, estrogenic, Trumpish venom flows uncontrollably....

Yep, real aggressive. Once again, exaggerating...

We're on RayPeatForum so anytime someone challenges your beliefs you get to label them as estrogen dominant to deduce whatever they are saying.

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

 

[kiran]

post 116307

I'm not sure I can tell "cool realism" from "total denial". Trump and Cruz are just satisfying the Republican need for a more muscular foreign policy with a bit of hyperbole.

"...just satisfying the Republican need for a more muscular foreign policy..."

Is this what you have in mind:

Costs in U.S. armed forces and U.S. dollars for the war in Iraq:

4,425 deaths
32,223 wounded in action

$818 Billion dollars spent

Well, Obama's air strikes dont seem to be doing the job, and ISIS seems to be getting stronger.

 

[narouz]

post 116349

post 116307

I'm not sure I can tell "cool realism" from "total denial". Trump and Cruz are just satisfying the Republican need for a more muscular foreign policy with a bit of hyperbole.

"...just satisfying the Republican need for a more muscular foreign policy..."

Is this what you have in mind:

Costs in U.S. armed forces and U.S. dollars for the war in Iraq:

4,425 deaths
32,223 wounded in action

$818 Billion dollars spent

Well, Obama's air strikes dont seem to be doing the job, and ISIS seems to be getting stronger.

Depends what you mean by "doing the job."
If you mean vanquishing ISIS, you're right.

Actually, if you follow carefully the reporting and analysis,
there is a pronounced and legit strain which says that the long-term bombings,
now joined in by France and England and others,
is weakening ISIS and causing it to lose territory.
Some say the foreign terror incidents, ie. France and California,
represent a lashing out by ISIS abroad
because they are being pushed back and eroded in Syria and Iraq.

Still, I think Obama is right about the long-term solution--that it will need a political solution.
The problem is that once ISIS is routed from a geographical area,
that area will need to be occupied and defended by some form of good guys.
So far, the world has not been able to find such good guys.

Some say we need to just revert to old-school Kissingerian real politik
and get behind stable evil dictators like Assad.
Putin and Russia lead in such a strategy.
Perhaps The Donald would like to join Putin in a bare-chested horseback ride to co-announce such a joint effort?
Hard to make out with any specificity just what his Syrian/Iraq strategy would be.

When you drill down with the Republican candidates
many of them are essentially not offering much different from Obama--
but with louder bellicosity and more out-puffed chests.

(Lindsay Graham--too sane for this Republican election go-round--
did say we need a lot more American boots on the ground.)

Trump says that when he becomes President
there will be "so much winning, so much winning."
Do you believe him?

 

[johns74]

Well, Obama's air strikes dont seem to be doing the job, and ISIS seems to be getting stronger.

Obama actually helped ISIS. The war in Libya created another place for them to take over and operate.

Bush and Hillary Clinton helped ISIS by attacking Iraq, while Obama and Hillary Clinton helped ISIS by attacking Libya. Hillary Clinton is politician who helped ISIS the most.

 

[narouz]

post 116338 Hillary Clinton supported the Iraq War. Trump opposed it.

Hillary Clinton led the Libya war. Cruz opposed it.

It takes some real dedication to evade reality to conclude that Cruz and Trump represent the deaths in the Iraq war.

Trump has supported then opposed many things.
I really don't know where Cruz stood on the Libya intervention,
but it would surprise me if he were not against it,
as he has been automatically against everything the Obama administration has been for.

Returning to the point,
do you trust a Trump foreign policy more than a H. Clinton foreign policy?
Clinton, with a resume listing stints as Sec of State
and service as a senator specifically on foreign policy...

...or do you trust Trump,
who doesn't know what, in the context of our nuclear weapons, "The Triad" is,
or what the difference is between "The Kurds" and "The Quds"...?

Well, I guess you can console yourself with his deftness in domestic affairs.

 

[Such_Saturation]

post 116354
Depends what you mean by "doing the job."
If you mean vanquishing ISIS, you're right.

Perhaps ignoring 4 lane wide oil convoys headed for Turkey could be a contributing factor

 

[johns74]

Returning to the point,
do you trust a Trump foreign policy more than a H. Clinton foreign policy?
Clinton, with a resume listing stints as Sec of State

where she led the disastrous war in Libya.

and service as a senator specifically on foreign policy...

where she supported the disastrous war in Iraq.

Please keep listing what you consider her 'accomplishments', because there are no more damning things against her candidacy. I figured you out. You are a secret Trump supporter trying to damage Hillary.