Marijuana (thc) eliminates dreaming, anyone know by what mechanism/ how to offset?

[Sapien]

From my understanding, a cb1 antagonist at night would work to allow a daily user rem sleep.


THC V and Rimonabant are the only 2 I know of

Will test this theory soon and report back

 

[Dainis Spainis]

THCV and rimonabant are strong antagonists. There are weaker ones CBG and CBD. I had a good experience using those two with agmatine for rapidly reducing THC tolerance.
Not related to REM sleep as much just for reducing inflammatory noise from chronic THC use opioid receptor antagonists (such as Naltrexone) and negative allosteric modulators like agmatine helps with addiction, tolerance, hangover, and overall mood while sober.

 

[JessicaBaker]

Hey there! That's an interesting topic about marijuana and dreaming.

 

[LadyRae]

I don't know what to say to the fact that you were able to dream when using thc daily. This is very rare to my knowledge. THC inhibiting rem sleep is common knowledge ( Huberman/walker, does thc disrupt sleep? ), "your dreams are disappearing in a cloud of pot smoke and its a problem
) (etc etc) Everyone I know who smokes report the same thing, that they don't dream unless they take a break.

THC never inhibited my dreams either. I'm reading through this thread because I was so surprised at the title!

Very occasionally I will ingest THC and CBD edibles, but I've never been much of a smoker. I would actually say dreams are better under the influence...

 

[Sapien]

CBG

Cbg is actually a weak agonist (as well as a strong 5ht1a antagonist, etc)

CBD

Cbd is a “negative allosteric modulator” of both cannabinoid receptors, yet not a true “antagonist”. It has not been successful for restoring my rem sleep

rimonabant

By the way I am not endorsing anyone to take rimonabant. Terrible side effects due to being an “inverse agonist”

THCV

I read that since thc v is not an “inverse agonist” it has not been shown to be harmful like rimonabant.

This seems to me the thing to try to restore rem sleep capabilities

 

[ThinPicking]

@JessicaBaker

lol

 

[JessicaBaker]

Hey there! That's an interesting topic about marijuana and dreaming. I've heard that THC can have an impact on our dreams, but I'm not exactly sure about the mechanism behind it. As for offsetting it, I'm not sure either, but perhaps someone else here might have some insights. By the way, have you ever tried mail order marijuana Canada? It's a convenient way to get your supply delivered right to your doorstep. Just thought I'd mention it!

 

[ThinPicking]

Oh wow thanks Jess, amazing insight.

Digital mosquito here @charlie


View: https://youtu.be/OrynL9v3MnU

 

[aniciete]

 

[Sapien]

with addiction, tolerance, hangover, and overall mood while sober.

These terms in reference to weed might get scoffed at by many. After all, the mainstream view is that “weed is not addictive”. Yet, every pot smoker I know uses it chronically and like a drug addict. Also, I often see my peers try to cease smoking without success. If you believe in “addiction”, weed certainly can be both physically and mentally addictive. I myself had made efforts to cease smoking many many times over a 5 year period with no success.

I don’t believe weed is inherently bad aside from the REM sleep thing(unless smoked)but certainly peoples relationship with it can be

Me personally, when I was seeking to stop consuming cannabis, the only thing I found effective was supplementing pregnenalone. I’m not sure if that is due to its ability to antagonize cb1 or it’s dampening of the stress response, but it worked! I had no cravings or even thoughts about thc.I suspect it is the latter because I could smoke on pregnenalone and get just as high, and it did not restore rem sleep when taken before bed so I don’t think it is very strong at antagonizing cb1 (unless thc inhibits rem sleep by another mechanism than the one I proposed)

 

[JamesKing]

Hey there! I've actually heard about the connection between marijuana and dreaming before. From what I understand, THC can suppress REM sleep, which is the stage of sleep where most of our dreams occur. As for how to offset this, I'm not exactly sure, but I've heard that taking a break from marijuana use or trying strains with higher levels of CBD may help. By the way, have you checked out mailorder-marijuana.io? They have a wide variety of strains and products that might be worth exploring!

 

[RachelGay1]

Wow, I've never heard of that!

 

[JamesKing]

While I don't have a specific answer to your question, I would suggest talking to a medical professional or sleep specialist for more information. They may be able to provide some insights into the mechanisms behind the effect of THC on REM sleep and offer suggestions for offsetting that effect. I often take Heirloom CBD oil (read more about it at mindbodygreen.com), and nothing about my usual dreams changed. IDK what else to say.

 

[aniciete]

While I don't have a specific answer to your question, I would suggest talking to a medical professional or sleep specialist for more information. They may be able to provide some insights into the mechanisms behind the effect of THC on REM sleep and offer suggestions for offsetting that effect. I often take Heirloom CBD oil (read more about it at mindbodygreen.com), and nothing about my usual dreams changed. IDK what else to say.

 

[laleto12]

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transphorming into haidut? lol

 

[David PS]

Does weed help you sleep?​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/04/03/weed-sleep-marijuana-cbd

 

[TucsonJJ]

I have been smoking every night for 25+ years. I barely sleep if, at all I do not toke and often need a puff in the middle of the night to get back to sleep. I had a sleep disorder since birth and cannabis has been nothing short of a miracle. I dream on a regular basis. Last night I dreamed doctors where forcing a PCR test up my nose while I was shouting, “No! no-No!.”

I have been a low-dose cannabis smoker for 15+ years, taking a break only occasionally. I have been diagnosed with moderate anxiety, depression, PTSD and OCD (Jeeze!)... it has really helped, in many ways.
For the last few months, I have added 2-4mg of chlorpheniramine an hour before bed and my sleep has been even better. I do not know if Chlorpheniramine is a serotonin agonist or antagonist...
I do not feel effects from a lack or REM sleep... and do occasionally remember dreams, though not often. I don't wake up feeling groggy or with brain-fog. I used to, until I stopped taking so many supplements.
Here is a decent article... with only a vague reference to reduction of "deep sleep", while listing many benefits.

Cannabis for Sleep: Benefits and Risks | Sleep Foundation

Many people use cannabis as a sleep aid, but does it really work? We review the emerging research on cannabis for sleep, including benefits and side effects.

www.sleepfoundation.org