JFK Assassination

[Matt1951]

At least one shot came from the front. We know that Oswald did not test positive for gun powder residue on his cheek. The FBI had an "expert" testify to the Warren Commission that Oswald's rifle was "super sealing", therefore leaving no residue. However, from a freedom of information act request, it was discovered that seven FBI agents tested the rifle, and they all testified positive for gun powder residue. Clearly, Oswald never fired a rifle that day.
Two different women who worked for Ruby stated that Ruby was meeting with Oswald prior to the assassination. Both women were later killed.

 

[Matt1951]

The House Select Committee on Assassinations, active from 1977-1979, following the work of the Church committee, concluded there had to be at least two shooters. United States House Select Committee on Assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They were not able to determine who was behind the assassination. One lead investigator leaned towards the Mafia, the other lead investigator leaned towards the CIA.
The murder of key Mafia members before they could testify is interesting, Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, and maybe even Jimmy Hoffa.

 

[HDD]

This book was mentioned in one of Peat's more recent interviews (political one).

Greg Poulgrain’s book "The Incubus of Intervention: Conflicting Indonesian Strategies of John F. Kennedy and Allen Dulles"

 

[Simonsays]

Ive just come across this brilliant quote "You cannot reason someone out of a position he wasn't reasoned into in the first place."

 

[Simonsays]

This book was mentioned in one of Peat's more recent interviews (political one).

Yes, i listened to it, very interesting Ray discussing Dulles Head of the CIA (who Kennedy had and his deputies basically sacked) He then turns up on the Warren Commission into Kennedy's Assassination?? Good work LBJ.

No President since, has made the mistake of upsetting so many powerful vested interests, Wall Street, Oil and Steel, Military/Industrial complex, CIA, FBI, even the Mob and the Anti Castro crowd,,,,sorry he just had to go.

 

[Simonsays]

LBJ and Hoover keep putting their foot in it. "They" the assassins, but its only one, Oswald! Keep to the script boys! 9:17. "Were they aiming at the President?" Hoover "Yes they were aiming at the President, no doubt about that" Lol

Dallas Head of Police denies knowing Ruby, but Hoover says hes well known to police.

LBJ says if Governor Connally hadnt have been in his way of Kennedy, he wouldnt have been hit. 10:10 But Connally is sitting in front of Kennedy. Kennedy is supposedly shot from rear. How is he in his way?? LBJ inadvertently admits Kennedy shot from front .

 

[Nick]

In Danny Roddy's interview with Ray on authoritarianism he mentioned the book The Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot, which is primarily about Allen Dulles. This is an interview with the author, who suggests there is evidence that Allen Dulles was behind the assassination of JFK:
The Rise of America’s Secret Government: The Deadly Legacy of Ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles
Part 1: DN!
Part 2: DN!

 

[Area-1255]

No President since, has made the mistake of upsetting so many powerful vested interests, Wall Street, Oil and Steel, Military/Industrial complex, CIA, FBI, even the Mob and the Anti Castro crowd,,,,sorry he just had to go.

You mean besides the rhetoric? Tons of Presidents SINCE Kennedy have `said` nasty things about these ''vested interests'' but most are just talk to get the peoples motors running. I have a hunch that its actually more than that, and the rhetoric is used as a direct distortion tactic so that the media, and the democratic as well as republican parties can get distracted while the inner lobbyists are doing their thing in terms of hijacking what remains of the true libertarian parties. Everything is meant to be a distraction, everything is a distraction, it doesn't matter who stands up or steps down from their pedestal, it's all a game to them to make sure that the future order planned 'for us' is on-track by the monetary goons in the high-up areas.

 

[Area-1255]

The problem is, that money is more than a latch for special interests, money is also such a powerful distraction that it gets often, criminal groups involved in, Political battles and contracts which ultimately give them more protection and give us, freedom fighters, more enemies.

 

[Jakester]

There are serious conspiracy theories around the JFK killing and there are conspiracy theories that have long been discredited by serious conspiratorialists. The rough consensus among the latter group these days is that Oswald's was the only gun to go off in Dealey Plaza that day and that he was encouraged in the killing by behind-the-scenes forces (these folks perhaps contacted him in Mexico City). The idea that someone shot from the front (the Grassy Knoll, a sewer, the overpass, the front seat of the Lincoln) is pretty much disregarded these days among people who really dig into this case and actually read the books rather than relying on YouTube. There's actually no contradiction, in terms of physics, between all the shots coming from up and behind and the movement of the skull. Plenty, and I do mean plenty, of work has been done on this very topic since the day in 1975 when the American public first saw the film on Geraldo Rivera's late night show. As to some of the other points made by Travis:

1. JFK was obviously shot from the front, at least once. Look at the head-shot and tell me what direction that came from.
2. The Presential Limo slowed down to a crawl, when it should have been going 60mph down the freeway. Why would the driver stop after JFK had been shot once just so he could get shot 2 more times?
3. The secret service was called off. You can see videos of this. The two agents that usually ride on the back of the limo (or jog next to it) were told to stand down.
4. Why do so many people run toward the Grassy Knoll afterwards?

1. Already discussed.
2. The presidential limo was going slow because Kennedy wanted people to see him and his wife. The car was not scheduled to accelerate for at least another 100 yards.
3. The Secret Service was indeed called off. See #2 - JFK wanted people to see him and wanted to present himself as not needing overly-much in the way of protection, i.e., as bold and brave (which, of course, he was).
4. Acoustics are damn tricky.

 

[Travis]

2. The presidential limo was going slow because Kennedy wanted people to see him and his wife. The car was not scheduled to accelerate for at least another 100 yards.
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Not true. The Limo driver stopped the car because a squirrel ran across the road. Greer, the driver, had a soft-spot squirrels.

All joking aside, he did stop both before and after JFK had been shot. I would think that a gunshot would trump good publicity.

 

[Travis]

There's actually no contradiction, in terms of physics, between all the shots coming from up and behind and the movement of the skull.

Yes there is. Momentum must be conserved. You cannot shoot anything and have its center of mass move towards the bullet.

Never. This will never happen.

Sir Isaac Newton would *****slap you for saying that.

 

[Jakester]

Travis, dude, there's really no arguing with people like you, and I decline to try, it's exactly like arguing about religion, it's the same as arguing with someone in AD 1000 about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - people believe what they want to believe. Meanwhile, when it comes to the JFK case, they tend to libel exceptionally loyal Secret Service agents. I caution younger readers here that every word from Travis is subject to robust debate and/or has been laughed out of court long ago (i.e., the squirrel theory).

As far as the head wound goes:

mcadams.posc.mu.edu/headwnd.htm

 

[Simonsays]

"They"

 

[Travis]

Jakester, dude. How is it like living in a world where conservation of momentum does not exist?

I bet you are horrible at billiards.

Physics in not a religion dude.

 

[Richiebogie]

I too was about to give the headwnd link. One expert shot thousands of goats:

"Mr. Devine. Again, as an expert in he field of ballistics, you are not troubled having seen the Zapruder picture that the head moved in an anterior direction or posterior direction, I guess, the same direction from which the bullet was allegedly fired, that does not trouble you as an expert in the field having conducted tests in ballistics?

Mr. Sturdivan. No, sir, the momentum of the bullet could not have thrown him in any direction violently. The neuromuscular reaction in which the heavy back muscles predominate over the lighter abdominal muscles would have thrown him backward no matter where the bullet came from, whether it entered the front, the side or the back of the head."

I think you can see the head go forward slightly from the momentum prior to it being thrown back in the Zapruder film.

However some people seem to say the Zapruder film was manipulated as part of the conspiracy as witnesses say the limo came to a complete standstill. A stress reaction may have made it seem like everything stood still!

 

[Jakester]

Jakester, dude. How is it like living in a world where conservation of momentum does not exist?

I bet you are horrible at billiards.

Physics in not a religion dude.

Physics is indeed not a religion, but your take on the JFK assassination is. Nothing less.

 

[Travis]

... in which the heavy back muscles predominate over the lighter abdominal muscles

If he was making up BS about neck muscles, his argument would have been a tiny bit more plausible.

 

[Jakester]

The House Select Committee on Assassinations, active from 1977-1979, following the work of the Church committee, concluded there had to be at least two shooters. United States House Select Committee on Assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They were not able to determine who was behind the assassination. One lead investigator leaned towards the Mafia, the other lead investigator leaned towards the CIA.
The murder of key Mafia members before they could testify is interesting, Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, and maybe even Jimmy Hoffa.

The House Committee relied heavily on acoustic evidence for its conclusion on multiple shooters; that evidence has the approximate value of a plug nickel you might find on the street.

 

[calamityjane]

In my mind, at least, this was the most plausible explanation that I've heard: JFK Second Shooter: 'JFK: The Smoking Gun' Documentary Claims George Hickey, Secret Service Agent, Accidentally Killed Kennedy and JFK: The Smoking Gun (TV Movie 2013) - IMDb and JFK: The Smoking Gun

I second this. A must see/read for any JFK conspiritorialists? Puts all the others to rest.