Hello, I am new here.
I had a question after reading though some of what Ray has been talking about.
I can’t seem to find an answer.
What I read is essentially muscle meat is an inappropriate source of nutrition for adults due to high levels of cysteine, tryptophan and methionine.
In addition to high PUFA (e.g. chicken) and iron (e.g. lean beef) and phosphate this would contribute to hypothyroidism via a range of mechanisms on cellular respiration.
Milk, is seen as a more better protein option owing to the high calcium to phosphate ratio and lower PUFA.
However, the whey portion of milk is insulinogenic and also high in anti-metabolic amino acids.
An adult, therefore would be better suited towards cheese which has the whey removed. The casein of cheese binds tryptophan and has a more ‘pro metabolic’ amino acid profile.
The ‘problem’ is the fat content of cheese, albeit mainly saturated and MUFA - but still high in fat nonetheless.
This would interfere with the randle cycle for example when consumed with lots of tropical fruit (e.g. watermelon).
In any case - dairy is heavily promoted in the Ray Peat ‘circles’ but those inherent problems with milk and cheese are something that concern me.
On the other hand, miceller casein protein - preferably cold pressed and grass fed I would assume (as Peat is concerned with health effects of protein powder) is effectively cheese void of its fat.
That would appear to me to present the ‘ideal’ protein - free of fat and whey.
Obviously a glass of casein and water might taste really bad and warrant some sugar or fruit combination - but wouldn’t it just be preferable from a health context to simply forgo the cheese and milk, and become a casein protein consumer?
And then, further to that, augment the diet with eggs, liver, oysters and gelationous rich food?
In any case, I’m currently ‘milking’ at 1-2L a day using non homogenised milk with cream which has seemed to have raised my waking temperature and general health - thus I’m happy with the results however I thought it might still be bad to be consuming whey inadvertently for long term health.
Any thoughts on this idea of simply using casein?
I had a question after reading though some of what Ray has been talking about.
I can’t seem to find an answer.
What I read is essentially muscle meat is an inappropriate source of nutrition for adults due to high levels of cysteine, tryptophan and methionine.
In addition to high PUFA (e.g. chicken) and iron (e.g. lean beef) and phosphate this would contribute to hypothyroidism via a range of mechanisms on cellular respiration.
Milk, is seen as a more better protein option owing to the high calcium to phosphate ratio and lower PUFA.
However, the whey portion of milk is insulinogenic and also high in anti-metabolic amino acids.
An adult, therefore would be better suited towards cheese which has the whey removed. The casein of cheese binds tryptophan and has a more ‘pro metabolic’ amino acid profile.
The ‘problem’ is the fat content of cheese, albeit mainly saturated and MUFA - but still high in fat nonetheless.
This would interfere with the randle cycle for example when consumed with lots of tropical fruit (e.g. watermelon).
In any case - dairy is heavily promoted in the Ray Peat ‘circles’ but those inherent problems with milk and cheese are something that concern me.
On the other hand, miceller casein protein - preferably cold pressed and grass fed I would assume (as Peat is concerned with health effects of protein powder) is effectively cheese void of its fat.
That would appear to me to present the ‘ideal’ protein - free of fat and whey.
Obviously a glass of casein and water might taste really bad and warrant some sugar or fruit combination - but wouldn’t it just be preferable from a health context to simply forgo the cheese and milk, and become a casein protein consumer?
And then, further to that, augment the diet with eggs, liver, oysters and gelationous rich food?
In any case, I’m currently ‘milking’ at 1-2L a day using non homogenised milk with cream which has seemed to have raised my waking temperature and general health - thus I’m happy with the results however I thought it might still be bad to be consuming whey inadvertently for long term health.
Any thoughts on this idea of simply using casein?