Sexypizza
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Hey guys,
I have PFS from using Dutasteride for 2 years. I've recently been experimenting with Proviron (Oral DHT) and it seems to be reversing my symptoms but also giving me testicular ache.
I stopped taking Dutasteride about a year and a half ago. I crashed not too long after stopping . My main symptoms are.
Overall things have gotten better since I first quit the drug last year and since I started peating. Along with a peat diet there are other things that I have tried like:
1- I took T4 to increase my thyroid hormones, unfortunately T3 is not available where I live (middle east) so I had to make do with this. It successfully brought my TSH to normal levels but gave me intense anxiety and chest pain. my thyroid levels are better now but still sluggish (TSH is hovering around 5). it didn't really do much with my sexual symptoms though.
2- I tried taking Sustanon 250 (testosterone injection) I only took one shot 250ml which was probably too much. it worked for a couple of days, increased my libido intensely, but then it stopped working because I think most of it was being converted to estrogen. It made my nipples hurt all the time and gave me really bad gas and bloating along with joint pain and it shrunk my testicles for a while.
3- 5mg DHEA, this helped a bit and gave me no side effects, but the benefits seem to have plateaued.
A couple of days ago I started experimenting with low doses of Oral DHT Proviron. I only took it for 3 days. I read some scientific studies that said Proviron in doses below 100 mg does not cause suppression of androgens but I still wanted to be on the safe side so I took only half a pill 12.5 mg.
The first day I didn't really notice anything but the second day the effects kicked in.
Although not completely, it did reverse all of my major PFS symptoms. Erection and the size of the penis improved, Libido increased, seamen volume increased and it improved my mood. but then my testicles began aching, it was the same feeling from when I got shutdown from taking testosterone. So the next day I lowered the dose even more 3.5mg
I was surprised I was still getting benefits even with such a low dose but they were more mild. Unfortunately the aching was still there although that was more mild too. I decided then that I would stop taking proviron in case I get shutdown. I was surprised that the size of my testicles at that time actually seem to have gotten bigger instead of smaller, so I'm not sure what that means. Could that mean that I'm not getting shutdown?
Its been 2 days since I stopped Proviron, the benefits are gone now, and the aching is gone too although I still get bits of it every now and then.
I'm not sure where to go from here, and this is why I'm posting this thread.
I'm not entirely sure whether Proviron is shutting me down or not, and whether or not its a good idea to keep taking it. It definitely was working for me though.
My hesitant plan now is to:
Sorry for the long post.
Any guidance would be appreciated.
I have PFS from using Dutasteride for 2 years. I've recently been experimenting with Proviron (Oral DHT) and it seems to be reversing my symptoms but also giving me testicular ache.
I stopped taking Dutasteride about a year and a half ago. I crashed not too long after stopping . My main symptoms are.
- Low thyroid (TSH was 24 for a while had to take T4, but I'm kind of ok now)
- High estrogen (was 40 now its 22)
- Borderline high Prolactin (normal now after peating)
- memory problems, weight gain, bloating and acid reflux (mostly gone now)
- slightly below average testosterone levels for my age (25)
- erectile dysfunction, low libido, low seamen, shrinking and numb penis (these are the main symptoms that unfortunately still remain)
Overall things have gotten better since I first quit the drug last year and since I started peating. Along with a peat diet there are other things that I have tried like:
1- I took T4 to increase my thyroid hormones, unfortunately T3 is not available where I live (middle east) so I had to make do with this. It successfully brought my TSH to normal levels but gave me intense anxiety and chest pain. my thyroid levels are better now but still sluggish (TSH is hovering around 5). it didn't really do much with my sexual symptoms though.
2- I tried taking Sustanon 250 (testosterone injection) I only took one shot 250ml which was probably too much. it worked for a couple of days, increased my libido intensely, but then it stopped working because I think most of it was being converted to estrogen. It made my nipples hurt all the time and gave me really bad gas and bloating along with joint pain and it shrunk my testicles for a while.
3- 5mg DHEA, this helped a bit and gave me no side effects, but the benefits seem to have plateaued.
A couple of days ago I started experimenting with low doses of Oral DHT Proviron. I only took it for 3 days. I read some scientific studies that said Proviron in doses below 100 mg does not cause suppression of androgens but I still wanted to be on the safe side so I took only half a pill 12.5 mg.
The first day I didn't really notice anything but the second day the effects kicked in.
Although not completely, it did reverse all of my major PFS symptoms. Erection and the size of the penis improved, Libido increased, seamen volume increased and it improved my mood. but then my testicles began aching, it was the same feeling from when I got shutdown from taking testosterone. So the next day I lowered the dose even more 3.5mg
I was surprised I was still getting benefits even with such a low dose but they were more mild. Unfortunately the aching was still there although that was more mild too. I decided then that I would stop taking proviron in case I get shutdown. I was surprised that the size of my testicles at that time actually seem to have gotten bigger instead of smaller, so I'm not sure what that means. Could that mean that I'm not getting shutdown?
Its been 2 days since I stopped Proviron, the benefits are gone now, and the aching is gone too although I still get bits of it every now and then.
I'm not sure where to go from here, and this is why I'm posting this thread.
I'm not entirely sure whether Proviron is shutting me down or not, and whether or not its a good idea to keep taking it. It definitely was working for me though.
My hesitant plan now is to:
- Find some T3 from abroad and take that to improve my thyroid production.
- Find a way to keep taking Proviron without getting shutdown, perhaps by taking Hcg? although from what I understand Ray is not a fan of LH which Hcg increases.
- alternatively, bite the bullet and get on TRT in lower doses like 80ml to avoid estrogen and take proviron with that.
- Or take DHT reduced metabolites like Androsterone or 11-keto DHT to avoid shutdown.
Sorry for the long post.
Any guidance would be appreciated.