Hi everyone,
I was hoping all the ex paleo lo carb / keto eaters would be able to give me a brief run-down of how you fixed or are fixing yourself post paleo and endurance / high intensity training?
My wife and myself came from paleo low carb / keto background and are trying to fix ourselves.
It's my hope that we can share what we are trying and have tried and share with similar people here so we might be able to sort out our liver issues, insulin resistance and generally fix our health together.
I have noted some studies @haidut posted re: aspirin reversing insulin resistance I feel like as we were running off fats that we are still resistant and need to reverse that before anything else will get better. We have done many suggestions from members of these forums and have see numerous improvements in our health over the 12 months we have been reading the forums and making changes to our nutritional practices, so thanks to everyone who has shared their knowledge/exeperience it is much appreciated. The community on here is such a good thing, if anyone is reading this who has just started following peoples advice here I strongly suggest to stick at it, you will see improvement and you will get better it just takes time. I like to look at it in this way - We took 5 years plus of bad nutritional choices and over training to get here so we are expecting it to take almost as long to fix the damage we have done. We knew weight gain was inevitable and potentially unavoidable, but we also knew once we repair our liver, metabolism and maintain nutritional balance that we will lose the weight.
Currently we feel like we are close but missing something as we just don’t lose weight and any training we do seems to set us back still. Our temps still aren’t 36.6c consistently even on 4 grains thyroid and numerous surrogates. Because of this we have cut our strength training back to just walking and maybe will add it some calisthenics concentric training at a later date as suggested by forum members.
We are hoping to gather some info from forum members on how do we know when we are no longer insulin resistant and what worked for anyone in reversing this? we are currently using higher doses of aspirin.
When should we start training again and how do we know we are not just stressing our bodies before they are ready? I have read that going backwards temps/pulse rate is a sign, how many days would we track following training to ascertain if we are not ready for training?
I am currently looking to lower my caloric intake as I am in a sedentary job where I sit for the majority of the day unfortunately, do I calculate my caloric requirements on lean body mass or fat mass? Chrono tells me to have 3000 cals plus with no training which seems like quite a lot, but then again I used to severely calorie restrict combined with heavy long metcon so who knows :-( hahaha
We are currently lowish fat – mod-high protein – high carb around 50/35/15 or so on macros and have recently limited starch to once/twice a week. Our diet as follows:
Carbs from sugar/melon/papaya/mangos and apple/orange juice, 2% milk
Protein from gelatin, pure casein powder, 90/10 grassfed beef mince sometimes chicken breast/thigh (affordable). Always cooked in coconut oil.
Fats from: 2% milk and meat products / cooking oil. small amounts of cheese.
Supps are daily
Doxy - 50mg daily
Vit A, E, D
1mg MB
B1/B2/Niacinamide/B6.
Aspirin 1g-2g
Coral calcium 3-5g
Magnesium 500mg
K2 15mg
Thyroid 4 grains - Thyroid S
Glycine 5g AM casein shake
Ritasterin 3-4 drops nightly (we previously took up to 4mg of cypro which helped a lot initially but makes us too tired the next day) We will still use it occasionally if we are not busy the next day.
Me only:
Just added 700mg AM caffeine to my apple juice and will look to work up to 1200mg daily
DHEA 5mg AM
DHT 11 Keto - Idealabs - did 4 drops am and pm for a week then back to 2 drops pm ongoing
When we initially started we frequently urinated in the night and had to eat throughout the night as we were waking tired but wired. that has now subsided. we did start out immediately on NDT and 100mg pregnenelone but currently don't use preg. My wife also used progest-e initially but has ceased as it made her angry? not sure why or if she should start it again.
Thanks everyone look forward to bouncing back and forward with you all and hopefully heading towards better health and leanness along with it.
Regards
Jez
I was hoping all the ex paleo lo carb / keto eaters would be able to give me a brief run-down of how you fixed or are fixing yourself post paleo and endurance / high intensity training?
My wife and myself came from paleo low carb / keto background and are trying to fix ourselves.
It's my hope that we can share what we are trying and have tried and share with similar people here so we might be able to sort out our liver issues, insulin resistance and generally fix our health together.
I have noted some studies @haidut posted re: aspirin reversing insulin resistance I feel like as we were running off fats that we are still resistant and need to reverse that before anything else will get better. We have done many suggestions from members of these forums and have see numerous improvements in our health over the 12 months we have been reading the forums and making changes to our nutritional practices, so thanks to everyone who has shared their knowledge/exeperience it is much appreciated. The community on here is such a good thing, if anyone is reading this who has just started following peoples advice here I strongly suggest to stick at it, you will see improvement and you will get better it just takes time. I like to look at it in this way - We took 5 years plus of bad nutritional choices and over training to get here so we are expecting it to take almost as long to fix the damage we have done. We knew weight gain was inevitable and potentially unavoidable, but we also knew once we repair our liver, metabolism and maintain nutritional balance that we will lose the weight.
Currently we feel like we are close but missing something as we just don’t lose weight and any training we do seems to set us back still. Our temps still aren’t 36.6c consistently even on 4 grains thyroid and numerous surrogates. Because of this we have cut our strength training back to just walking and maybe will add it some calisthenics concentric training at a later date as suggested by forum members.
We are hoping to gather some info from forum members on how do we know when we are no longer insulin resistant and what worked for anyone in reversing this? we are currently using higher doses of aspirin.
When should we start training again and how do we know we are not just stressing our bodies before they are ready? I have read that going backwards temps/pulse rate is a sign, how many days would we track following training to ascertain if we are not ready for training?
I am currently looking to lower my caloric intake as I am in a sedentary job where I sit for the majority of the day unfortunately, do I calculate my caloric requirements on lean body mass or fat mass? Chrono tells me to have 3000 cals plus with no training which seems like quite a lot, but then again I used to severely calorie restrict combined with heavy long metcon so who knows :-( hahaha
We are currently lowish fat – mod-high protein – high carb around 50/35/15 or so on macros and have recently limited starch to once/twice a week. Our diet as follows:
Carbs from sugar/melon/papaya/mangos and apple/orange juice, 2% milk
Protein from gelatin, pure casein powder, 90/10 grassfed beef mince sometimes chicken breast/thigh (affordable). Always cooked in coconut oil.
Fats from: 2% milk and meat products / cooking oil. small amounts of cheese.
Supps are daily
Doxy - 50mg daily
Vit A, E, D
1mg MB
B1/B2/Niacinamide/B6.
Aspirin 1g-2g
Coral calcium 3-5g
Magnesium 500mg
K2 15mg
Thyroid 4 grains - Thyroid S
Glycine 5g AM casein shake
Ritasterin 3-4 drops nightly (we previously took up to 4mg of cypro which helped a lot initially but makes us too tired the next day) We will still use it occasionally if we are not busy the next day.
Me only:
Just added 700mg AM caffeine to my apple juice and will look to work up to 1200mg daily
DHEA 5mg AM
DHT 11 Keto - Idealabs - did 4 drops am and pm for a week then back to 2 drops pm ongoing
When we initially started we frequently urinated in the night and had to eat throughout the night as we were waking tired but wired. that has now subsided. we did start out immediately on NDT and 100mg pregnenelone but currently don't use preg. My wife also used progest-e initially but has ceased as it made her angry? not sure why or if she should start it again.
Thanks everyone look forward to bouncing back and forward with you all and hopefully heading towards better health and leanness along with it.
Regards
Jez