Masturbation Downregulates Certain Androgenic Receptors [in The Brain] And Upregulates Certain Estro

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I wonder about the stress implications of failing at NoFap three billion times like I have.
LoL. Goals of the form "don't do this" are questionable to me. What happens when you do everything else the same as before and just try to stop doing one thing without any replacement? Doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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These kinds of studies are pretty crude. For those worried about catecholamines, any exercise causes them to release same as sex. Exercise has the same effect on blood pressure as well, acutely. I don't see anything in these studies that teases out the selection bias, just like other studies showing more sex = better lifelong health. Obviously, someone who is so unhealthy that they can't have sex, or can't attract a partner, is not comparable to a more normal person who can. Someone who has a health or psychological problem and sits in their apartment jerking off all day, compared to someone who is healthy and confident and therefore masturbates less because they have more sex with partners, are they comparable?
I agree with you ,but I just think there is something wrong with the person who maturbates , and also masturbating process is something that is not healthy , its not good for nervous system,its not a natural thing to do.

Unhealthy people have more tendency to do it,and doing it makes them even more sick!

Its just my opinion.

I think you may even abuse the sex ,no difference!
 

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I agree with you ,but I just think there is something wrong with the person who maturbates , and also masturbating process is something that is not healthy , its not good for nervous system,its not a natural thing to do.

Unhealthy people have more tendency to do it,and doing it makes them even more sick!

Its just my opinion.

I think you may even abuse the sex ,no difference!
I think of it as "using" your body. When someone is really into running, for example, they "use" their body that way. If they run a lot it will cause damage, faster aging and health problems and stuff like that. But, if they love running, how do you tell them they are using their body incorrectly? If you can live 20 years longer, and with little or no degenerative disease, by eating a very specific diet and living in a CO2 bubble and never stressing your body, is that really living? I'm not saying people addicted to masturbation or sex or porn or w/e is a good thing, just that it's a live question. Not all of these people are going to replace those activities with dance or theater going or writing a manuscript, many will just sit around being depressed and thinking about the thing they feel addicted to but decided they aren't doing anymore all day.
 

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I felt no improvements in my health abstaining from it for years,until I corrected my diet.

Now I feel good with it,but also I feel less bad when I do it!because I'm healthier in general.

So now I think maybe sex ( or masturbation ) has nothing to do with health,if it happen in natural way,if your diet is good,other stuff is good,it happens by itself,not by choicing to do it.
 

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I can't go longer than a week really abstaining. It's actually counterproductive for me if it goes over a week as well since I can't focus on normal things really anymore and all I think about is having to get off lol. It's like taking aggression out in the gym. I think if your other hormones are in order like prolactin and cortisol/estrogen etc. it shouldn't really be an issue at least from my experience. When I was on fin which lowers DHT, inreases estrogen, prolactin and cortisol I would feel exhausted after ejaculating and would fall asleep with a long refractory period. Prior and after recovering from fin, I feel great like always- just get mildy hungry with a very fast refractory period.
 

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LoL. Goals of the form "don't do this" are questionable to me. What happens when you do everything else the same as before and just try to stop doing one thing without any replacement? Doesn't make much sense to me.
That's a good point, especially if you view your current activities as a biological urge to achieve homeostasis (masturbation raises dopamine and lowers cortisol.) Progesterone takes away addictive tendencies in myself, and I think elevated cortisol is partly to blame.

When I think about addictions, I frame them as a perversion of the truth in the sense that alcohol mimics an ideal metabolic state (dopamine and GABA mainly,) and pornography substitutes for real romantic connection.
 

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That's a good point, especially if you view your current activities as a biological urge to achieve homeostasis (masturbation raises dopamine and lowers cortisol.) Progesterone takes away addictive tendencies in myself, and I think elevated cortisol is partly to blame.

When I think about addictions, I frame them as a perversion of the truth in the sense that alcohol mimics an ideal metabolic state (dopamine and GABA mainly,) and pornography substitutes for real romantic connection.
I like your perspective regarding addictions. Very true. Though the terrible thing about addiction is that it creates a greater void between fantasy and reality. That is when one embraces such fantasies receptors down-regulate to fit the fantasy. This makes the reality ever more non satisfactory.
 

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IMO the best (other than having actual sex) is to fap every 3-4 days, preferably not to hardcore porn, and not to hypersexual-looking women
 

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I can't go longer than a week really abstaining. It's actually counterproductive for me if it goes over a week as well since I can't focus on normal things really anymore and all I think about is having to get off lol. It's like taking aggression out in the gym. I think if your other hormones are in order like prolactin and cortisol/estrogen etc. it shouldn't really be an issue at least from my experience. When I was on fin which lowers DHT, inreases estrogen, prolactin and cortisol I would feel exhausted after ejaculating and would fall asleep with a long refractory period. Prior and after recovering from fin, I feel great like always- just get mildy hungry with a very fast refractory period.
It is extremely difficult to redirect the sexual energy to other activities. Most of the time it just stays sexual energy which makes the effort counterproductive. But if you can use the built up sexual energy (such as at the gym) you'll yield great results.
 

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IMO the best (other than having actual sex) is to fap every 3-4 days, preferably not to hardcore porn, and not to hypersexual-looking women
I feel best when I don't fap at all but if you have a very healthy system with plenty of energy production you might be able to get away with every 3-4 days. I don't know if I would consider this beneficial but certainly not detrimental. If your system is so healthy, building up more energy could be very beneficial (or maybe overwhelming).
 

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I like your perspective regarding addictions. Very true. Though the terrible thing about addiction is that it creates a greater void between fantasy and reality. That is when one embraces such fantasies receptors down-regulate to fit the fantasy. This makes the reality ever more non satisfactory.

IMO the best (other than having actual sex) is to fap every 3-4 days, preferably not to hardcore porn, and not to hypersexual-looking women
Yeah; I think the fantasy of aspect of pornography and plain masturbation aren't really comparable. With masturbation, there's fantaziation, but it's not manifested visually, and I feel fine within 24-48 hours, but with pornography, it takes days up to a week or two to get back to baseline
 

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I can't go longer than a week really abstaining. It's actually counterproductive for me if it goes over a week as well since I can't focus on normal things really anymore and all I think about is having to get off lol. It's like taking aggression out in the gym. I think if your other hormones are in order like prolactin and cortisol/estrogen etc. it shouldn't really be an issue at least from my experience. When I was on fin which lowers DHT, inreases estrogen, prolactin and cortisol I would feel exhausted after ejaculating and would fall asleep with a long refractory period. Prior and after recovering from fin, I feel great like always- just get mildy hungry with a very fast refractory period.
i think the initial phase is like this- the hypersensitivity phase, then the libido actually normalizes, i somehow once reached 40 days and suprisingly there were no/little urges, mind was extremely calm and aware but again started watching stuff due to arrogance and here i am again at 4-5 days. The taste for extreme stuff went away, that i thank this for that. Next time onwards i would be very wise from using(abusing) my reward system with high speed internet p**n ( let's say i abused my system in the past)
 
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the key to not fapping is to have a sexual partner with to cuddle with and spend a lot of naked time with. This dissipates the extra sexual energy and provides more energy in your life than otherwise.
 

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the key to not fapping is to have a sexual partner with to cuddle with and spend a lot of naked time with. This dissipates the extra sexual energy and provides more energy in your life than otherwise.
The key to NoFap: have sex instead.
 

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I'm fortunate enough to have a loving wife who enjoys regular sex. I learnt way more ejaculation control from sex than masturbation. Masturbation provides much more tactile stimulation than does sex, but only to the genitals, whereas sex carries huge cerebral and emotional aspects (moans, scents, breathing, skin on skin, etc.) that contribute to the "ejaculation threshold". I have all but given up on masturbation since it is so devoid of emotion and fulfillment and now takes me 20mins+ to climax.
 
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