If You Don't Want Low Testosterone DO NOT FAST

[James IV]

This is a strawman before you edit lol!
Experiment and experience same thing as mentioned peer review system and financial is a different matter.

If you say so.

 

[TubZy]

@Drareg @TubZy
DING DING DING DING!!! Back to your corners!! Calm down guys.

So I don't know if gbol's broscience is bull**** or is a revolution. But I'm sure he's diverting a lot of creative energy from forum members into useless fights. Sad :-(

The sad thing is he thinks I'm anti Peat, which I'm not, I stated that like 10 times lol

And I was Gbol harshest critic in the beginning before he started replying on normal threads, if you read my old posts lol

 

[Constatine]

Wanted to debate not hurt feelings lol

Lol. Feelings not hurt . Just meant that the last two sentences nullified my post.

 

[alywest]

But when your great none of that matters....... in other words we only need what he has picked up in his culture created by others before him....
David Brent - Simply the Best - The Office - BBC - YouTube

I see your David Brent...and raise you one Dwight Schrute

 

[James IV]

 

[ecstatichamster]

Studies are very important. But very few are worth anything. And the body is complex beyond belief. You need a framework to interpret studies. Peat has a good one. That’s why I’m here.

 

[Colin Nordstrom]

Echo those sentiments

 

[Drareg]

Show me what evidence the OP provided to refute my claims based on science and studies? And no I didn't just randomly jump in here me and the OP have discussed before on similar topics. He blatantly called out fasting and made a big claim, of course we are going to "jump" in here not sure how else you reply on a thread? If anyone jumped in it was you going off on the people that disagreed with you in the first 10 seconds you joined the thread lmao.

I'm going to start calling you scarecrow, you have used the term strawman in every single thread or topic that someone disagrees with you. For anyone reading, go check out the "nicotine through a peat prism" thread, he almost loses it on the OP in that thread as well, it is hilarious, I never seen someone that offended by nicotine. It seems you have a problem with nicotine Any time you can't reply back with an argument you say "that is a strawman" instead of substance based argument.

People have stayed clear, are you blind? It has over 100K views, Charlie is banning people like you from it every two seconds you have zero substance and just cry strawman. You really are clueless.

For the record, I have a full head of hair (luckily)and don't have a problem (or ever did) with girls lmao and I never reported you or anyone, I think is is good to argue honestly, but you can ask Charlie if you don't believe me.

Stayed clear of bickering in the thread is what I mean ,I think it’s clear as day PFS is an issue ,just look at the forums specific to it,how many guys commit suicide from it and the suicidal thoughts are not helped from no help,how can they get any decent path forward with the claimed cures that just regress after 2 months or so,if people tone down the magic bullet mentality people it would help. I haven’t been banned from the PFS thread,I don’t think I’m in it at all.

I don’t lose it with the op on nicotine,it’s about pushing to find out more rather than shut the door,wouldn’t it be interesting if we found out the negatives so far on it were wrong,apolgising for isolated nicotine when it possibly shrinks the vessels potentially adding to cues for hair loss makes no sense.

If you have no problem with your hair or libido then what are you doing exactly? Pretty full on experiment for someone who has no issue. Furthermore do any of you actually have sustained problems with pfs or is it intermittent? If so taking RU and getting positives from it are a guarantee,nobody disputes this,in fact we know already extreme cases are being helped by RU.
The bigger problem is the logic of taking RU486,the idea being finasteride opposed estrogen more and now it’s put out of the system progesterone has resumed that role making progesterone dominant estrogen "controller ",progesterone labs and other hormones are still in range but the system is just sensitive to it progesterone controlling estrogen?
You want DHT to Control estrogen not progesterone so inhibiting with RU Does this,when you stop RU dht should rise and progesterone will know it’s place in the male body once again Once you get off RU because dht is active again as body needs it for estrogen.
Fasting limits signals from food,the environment from disrupting endocrine signals and confusing everything.
Penis wakes up and all ok forever ,the end. Simple version.

The bottom line is you get results,nobody like I said disputes this but for how long? If epigenetic signaling is involved and we even ignore thyroid metabolic issue(and metabolisms role in hormone synthesis) of progesterone down regulation lowering thyroid function and potentially causing thyroid nodules long term use of course ,you may need to use the protocol again.
And this is without going into potential cortisol issues,holy balls......

Let’s not stop bickering or arguing,none of us clearly can,we just need to condense down the points we are all making much better,overall everyone would love this to work for people with these issues,people should be jailed for finasteride imo.

 

[Drareg]

If you say so.

This should be an emoji.

 

[Drareg]

The sad thing is he thinks I'm anti Peat, which I'm not, I stated that like 10 times lol

And I was Gbol harshest critic in the beginning before he started replying on normal threads, if you read my old posts lol

I dont tubzy, I just think people could email Peat with differing views and give us ffeeeback,we could learn a ton ,gbolduev doesn’t do this as we a few others in the past.
Problem with him is he is active on several other forums claiming miracles for differing issues,same thing some people follow him claim a miracle only to revert back with no cure of issues.
Is he using people as guinea pigs? Doesn’t mean what you try won’t work but at least state clearly what he is truly at.

 

[Rand56]

I'm going to start calling you scarecrow, you have used the term strawman in every single thread or topic that someone disagrees with you

If I got a nickel every time Drareg said strawman, I'd be a wealthy man.

 

[Drareg]

The sad thing is he thinks I'm anti Peat, which I'm not, I stated that like 10 times lol

And I was Gbol harshest critic in the beginning before he started replying on normal threads, if you read my old posts lol

Check this out also,somebody picked up on RU in 2011 -
Success on RU

There is an insane amount hairless forums,there’s more than porn sites.

 

[TubZy]

Check this out also,somebody picked up on RU in 2011 -
Success on RU

There is an insane amount hairless forums,there’s more than porn sites.

I'll respond to your other points, but I had to respond to this because it is hilarious.

You are confusing two drugs. There is RU58841, the anti androgen hair drug and there is RU486 the anti progesterone drug that @gbolduev is referencing. They are not related at all and no one in the hair loss world is using RU486.

ALL of the hair loss sites are referring to RU58841 like the link you just posted and didn't even take the time to read through once again.

Seriously dude, I don't even think you read what you write or even the evidence you present, no wonder why you just say straw man all the time. You didn't even know the drug @gbolduev was talking about this entire time.

 

[Drareg]

I'll respond to your other points, but I had to respond to this because it is hilarious.

You are confusing two drugs. There is RU58841, the anti androgen hair drug and there is RU486 the anti progesterone drug that @gbolduev is referencing. They are not related at all and no one in the hair loss world is using RU486.

ALL of the hair loss sites are referring to RU58841 like the link you just posted and didn't even take the time to read through once again.

Seriously dude, I don't even think you read what you write or even the evidence you present, no wonder why you just say straw man all the time. You didn't even know the drug @gbolduev was talking about this entire time.

He titled it RU,I was going through it more and nothing interesting,get discussion going, the fact you gloat says a lot.
I say straw man and point out the strawman.

 

[alywest]

I'll respond to your other points, but I had to respond to this because it is hilarious.

You are confusing two drugs. There is RU58841, the anti androgen hair drug and there is RU486 the anti progesterone drug that @gbolduev is referencing. They are not related at all and no one in the hair loss world is using RU486.

ALL of the hair loss sites are referring to RU58841 like the link you just posted and didn't even take the time to read through once again.

Seriously dude, I don't even think you read what you write or even the evidence you present, no wonder why you just say straw man all the time. You didn't even know the drug @gbolduev was talking about this entire time.

Turth is, no one really seems to know exactly what gbolduev is saying, hence the lengthy debates and such. Here's a proposal: why don't Gbolduev and all his guinea pigs go live in his hometown where you can be experimented on in his lab, and when there is actual proof of what he's saying you can all report back to this forum! Plus it will double as some good male bonding time. I think it will be special.

 

[Drareg]

Turth is, no one really seems to know exactly what gbolduev is saying, hence the lengthy debates and such. Here's a proposal: why don't Gbolduev and all his guinea pigs go live in his hometown where you can be experimented on in his lab, and when there is actual proof of what he's saying you can all report back to this forum! Plus it will double as some good male bonding time. I think it will be special.

They have a private thread going I’m sure.

 

[namaste]

Turth is, no one really seems to know exactly what gbolduev is saying, hence the lengthy debates and such. Here's a proposal: why don't Gbolduev and all his guinea pigs go live in his hometown where you can be experimented on in his lab, and when there is actual proof of what he's saying you can all report back to this forum! Plus it will double as some good male bonding time. I think it will be special.

Actually, people do understand what he is saying. We have multiple private PM groups going with great results, although it's still early in the process.

What I don't understand is the desire to denigrate people who want to get better. I'm a male in my 20's and have been suffering from PSSD for many years; I've barely had a libido or sex drive throughout my life. I, along with many others in the PSSD/PFS community, have tried everything under the sun. We've listened to users on forums like this who have posted study after study, often with no results. So a guy like @gbolduev comes around and posts a theory that lines up with something we had already been discussing for months in private on the PSSD forum. Why would it not make sense to follow along and give this a try?

The way you worded your post is insulting at best. People have literally committed suicide over this ***t. You should think before you say things like this.

 

[TubZy]

He titled it RU,I was going through it more and nothing interesting,get discussion going, the fact you gloat says a lot.
I say straw man and point out the strawman.

That is like reading the title of a study without actually reading the content in the study which you accused me of doing. Maybe you should actually read the research you are presenting before actually presenting it? In this scenario, you are comparing two complete different drugs without even knowing it.

 

[alywest]

Actually, people do understand what he is saying. We have multiple private PM groups going with great results, although it's still early in the process.

What I don't understand is the desire to denigrate people who want to get better. I'm a male in my 20's and have been suffering from PSSD for many years; I've barely had a libido or sex drive throughout my life. I, along with many others in the PSSD/PFS community, have tried everything under the sun. We've listened to users on forums like this who have posted study after study, often with no results. So a guy like @gbolduev comes around and posts a theory that lines up with something we had already been discussing for months in private on the PSSD forum. Why would it not make sense to follow along and give this a try?

The way you worded your post is insulting at best. People have literally committed suicide over this ***t. You should think before you say things like this.

I'm sorry that you're doing so badly, I'm just wondering, did you try improving your thyroid, did you try everything that Peat had to suggest? If so, and I'm assuming it didn't work then, then why are you even here? Keep your thread going but I don't see why Gbolduev needs to chime in on any thread on this forum that he seems to think apply directly to him. For instance, the OP on this thread was simply telling people that fasting was detrimental to him and his T levels. No one asked what's his face if he agreed with the dude or not. People were actually having a productive conversation on the subject until Gbolduev chimed in. If you feel that he has the answers to what you are looking for, then stick to the plan and your own threads and let the people who actually think Ray Peat has something valuable to share have their healthy debates on the subject matter. Somehow whenever Gbolduev gets involved, the debate gets more heated and negative. I don't know if this is due to high estrogen levels, or the fact that he's a slow oxidizer and I don't really care.

 

[Drareg]

That is like reading the title of a study without actually reading the content in the study which you accused me of doing. Maybe you should actually read the research you are presenting before actually presenting it?

It’s a forum I linked,not a study,just for discussion, I only started reading it and you responded,so to be clear tubzy it’s not research and now you’ve admitted to not reading it lol.
What about the points and questions asked in the first post,why all of you are in PM is pointless,just ignore the comments in the threads,at least others can read along.