I am QUITTING COFFEE for 100 days

[Birdie]

For those not drinking coffee, here is something that @ecstatichamster posted in Oct 2017:

Red grape juice inhibits iron availability: application of an in vitro digestion/caco-2 cell model. - PubMed - NCBI

And he said he was drinking red grape juice with his meat. And, recently, Ray Peat has said that he is drinking some grape juice now. So, if you can't drink coffee with your meat to block iron, grape juice sounds good for this.

 

[Apple]

That's nuts!

So the next thing that comes to mind is is Brazil coffee GMO?

on a more positive note ,
The results of the study point a significant decomposition of glyphosate that happens during roasting, from at least 42 % to > 74 % depending on roasting conditions (time, temperature) and coffee variety.

 

[Birdie]

Good catch, @Apollo. Ray has discussed reasons coffee is safe...

 

[yerrag]

on a more positive note ,
The results of the study point a significant decomposition of glyphosate that happens during roasting, from at least 42 % to > 74 % depending on roasting conditions (time, temperature) and coffee variety.

Less is more, yes.

But zero is best.

Sounds conspiratorial, but how can we get better if the Talmudists are poisoning the very foods that would make us better?

Gelatin contaminated with glyphosate, first.

Then coffee.

Undoing as we are doing.

 

[crazypatriot]

Less is more, yes.

But zero is best.

Sounds conspiratorial, but how can we get better if the Talmudists are poisoning the very foods that would make us better?

Gelatin contaminated with glyphosate, first.

Then coffee.

Undoing as we are doing.

Stop noticing things and go eat those crickets, bigot

 

[yerrag]

Stop noticing things and go eat those crickets, bigot

Someone still drinking the Kool-Aid.

Get more boosters and be happy, Einstein.

 

[crazypatriot]

Someone still drinking the Kool-Aid.

Get more boosters and be happy, Einstein.

I was being sarcastic. What you pondered wasn't conspiratorial, it's facts. It's hard to find affordable food that isn't contaminated with pesticides, seed oils, and endocrine disrupting ingredients. There are powers that be that want us sick and profitable. Find out who you aren't allowed to criticize, and that's who controls you.

 

[yerrag]

I was being sarcastic. What you pondered wasn't conspiratorial, it's facts. It's hard to find affordable food that isn't contaminated with pesticides, seed oils, and endocrine disrupting ingredients. There are powers that be that want us sick and profitable. Find out who you aren't allowed to criticize, and that's who controls you.

Yeah, they just robbed Kyrie of 500 grand of hard earned money. And Ye? They're using their media to set up him for a suicide.

Wait and see them do a Trump on Elon.

Listen to Fash the Nation podcast and learn more of the history of white slavery, by Warren Balogh and Greg Conte. I spend more time listening to their podcast nowadays. It fills a gaping hole that our post- 1945 Talmudists oriented education intentionally withholds from us, whether it is public or private schooling.

It's sickening to see Charles Barkley and all sports commentators gang up on Kyrie in his attempt to educate us by pointing us to a documentary that puts our masters in a bad light. He did no wrong. He's just like Jesus, crucified, and then later made into a god by his tormentors, so they could use him as a Messiah. Both Catholics and Evangelicals share a common messiah complex of one praying endlessly and the other basking in being saved. Both doing nothing, waiting for the Messiah to do something about the evil.

To be passive beagles is to let the Talmudists kick us around generation after generation as a continual line of progeny keep waiting hopelessly in hope for a messiah to save us.

 

[Luann]

You might find for a few days, even possibly a few weeks, you can easily sleep 10 hours or more. When quit cold turkey it can even be easy to sleep up to 15 hours the first night. That's because you no longer have anything to block the built up adenosine in your brain from inducing tiredness.

Yes I saw another user said that too in this thread. When that happened to me, I was afraid it would last forever and I would just be a sleep monster
Thankfully, that is not the case.
Also, insomnia for the first few nights because there's no crash!

 

[Korven]

10 days (technically 3 days) decaffeinated update:

Okay so to be honest I did not quit cold turkey. I had an extremely stressful week and I realized that the added stress of quitting coffee would probably have killed me.

BUT... to wean myself off this drug I did limit myself to only 1 small cup of weak coffee in the morning for 7 days. In some ways I find that this is even more difficult than not drinking it at all; you have to have unshakeable self-discipline to not allow yourself to have more cups throughout the day when you feel tired or bored. Still I stuck with it and I think this was a pretty good idea overall as I haven't noticed any really terrible withdrawal symptoms since quitting coffee 3 days ago. Whenever I've tried quitting cold turkey in the past, from a baseline of 3-4 strong black cups of coffee per day, the withdrawal symptoms were terrible (muscle pain, flu like symptoms, migraine, nausea). Now I only got a slight headache the first day and then I haven't really noticed any physical withdrawal symptoms as far as I can tell? I'm thinking weaning off is probably a good idea for heavy users.

One positive thing I have noticed over the past 10 days is more consistent energy throughout the day, even when my sleep hasn't been great. Before I would just crash after a day of work/studying but now I feel like I still have fuel in the tank during afternoons and evenings, which is great. As mentioned the previous week was very stressful but I feel like reducing coffee gave me more energy to deal with the stress.

The last 3 days though, strictly decaffeinated, have not been super fun. It feels like a part of me has gone and I struggle to find the right words during conversations, I have experienced some anxiety and just feel kind of "off", which probably is to be expected given my past consumption.

Since dropping all coffee I've noticed that my vision is much clearer and I can easily focus on things in the distance.

I do feel calmer in body and mind and not so much "always looking for the next thing to do". I haven't felt this in a long while!

Hmm... I can't think of anything else, I will update moreas the weeks go by.

 

[Korven]

sleep monster

I do feel like a sleep monster, always looking for the next nap

 

[Mister]

Quitting coffee also makes me more calm and stabilizes my heart rate.

 

[Runenight201]

I am making this thread mainly to keep myself accountable and to report on any positive/negative effects from quitting coffee (as a heavy user since 10+ years).

These are the main reasons for my 100 day no coffee experiment:

- Poor and unrefreshing sleep. I never get a good night's sleep and I am certain this is contributing to a lot of health/life problems. Coffee is the main suspect.
- TMJ symptoms, horrible neck and jaw and shoulder tension that has gotten gradually worse over the past years.
- Anhedonia/depression. The only time life is enjoyable is when I drink a cup of coffee and experience "coffee euphoria", which of course is fleeting and is soon to be replaced by dullness/boringness/restlessness. I feel like a robot or husk of a human? Like my emotional bandwidth is severely limited; I only have two emotions "on coffee" and "off coffee".
- Energy levels. I have made some good progress with my energy levels but they are not great. Again I suspect the poor sleep has a lot to do with poor energy levels.
- Rosacea that flare up on and off. Maybe from coffee-induced gut inflammation?
- Feeling "split"/confused. There was this experiment done on spiders where they were given different psychoactive drugs e.g caffeine, marijuana to see how it affected the spiders' spider web weaving. Sometimes my brain feels like the caffeinated spider web, which makes it difficult to make any good decisions or solve problems in life.
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- Addictive behaviours. My hypothesis is that coffee causes a low-grade stress response that is fuelling cravings for things like porn and drugs.

I have been drinking coffee for a large part of my life and am a "you can pry coffee from my cold dead hands" kind of guy so this decision is not an easy one for me. As I mentioned, the immediate effects from coffee feel amazing to me, I literally get high/euphoric and pleasantly relaxed and socially outgoing. And the withdrawals symptoms are so bad that it is extremely difficult for me to quit this drug. But if quitting coffee would allow me to fix at least some of the problems mentioned above then I feel like it would be worth it, e.g getting a good night's sleep.

I will be drinking some black tea for the first week or so just to stave off the worst withdrawal symptoms but the plan is to wean off all caffeine long-term.
Cheers guys

Super cool about the spider. I recall sometimes at night I’ll close my eyes and the visuals I’ll see in my eyes are just a tangled mess of geometry patterns and shapes all misaligned and not ordered. This is the opposite of what I want cognitively, which is a healthy prefrontal cortex functioning to think proactively, analytically, rationally.

I feel like a lot of the things you are mentioning could be symptoms of what may be an overall stressful lifestyle and mindset, impeding your ability to make good decisions in regards to your health, body and mind. TMJ and posture issues could stem from excessive sitting, incorrect exercising, improper diet, too much stress.

Depression/ahedonia is certainly concerning too. Removing coffee will not fix this, but it will force you (hopefully) to find different solutions. If you’ve been relying on coffee to feel better anytime your depressed/ahedonic , it’s not actually addressing the root issue of what is causing the ahedonia/depression, and thus impeding your ability to find the solution.

Restoring proper metabolic function, whether nutritionally/medicinally/behaviorally will fix that, although it’s way easier said than done.

Periodic fasts out in nature can be good for clearing the mind, breaking out of negative patterns, rewiring your brain, etc…

 

[tca300]

Depression/ahedonia is certainly concerning too. Removing coffee will not fix this

I've suffered from suicidal level depression as well as serious anhedonia. For myself certain foods 100% were behind both. Coffee absolutely causes anhedonia for me personally. I can literally turn it off and on with zero other changes in my life. Don't underestimate the powerful serotonin stimulation that can result from gut irritation, food sensitivity and bacteria overgrowth.

 

[Peachy]

Thanks for posting this. I’m getting inspiration from this thread I didn’t realize I needed. Might be time for me to experiment too.

I like the tapering idea with a weak cup in the morning. And good idea on the chicory @Dutchie.

 

[Korven]

Good news:

I made it 9 days without drinking coffee which is the longest I have gone without since probably... 12-13 years? The improvements that stand out to me are:

- MUCH better impulse control/executive function. Before my mind would sort of 'drag me around' and it would be hard to focus on tasks, avoid distractions, say no to various temptations and other addictions, and so on. Without coffee this is a breeze, I feel like a zen monk and have no problems at all with staying on task. On coffee = 100 tabs open in browser. Off coffee = 2 tabs open.
- Stress resilience increased by 1000%. It's incredible how much better I am able to deal with stress in life without coffee.
- I look much healthier - skin looks more hydrated, dark eye circles are reduced and I haven't had any rosacea skin flareups. This alone makes ditching coffee worth it.
- I feel better overall and am enjoying life more. It seems like coffee may have been causing some of the anhedonia I was experiencing.
- No dependency on any drug or substance to get going in the morning.

Sleep has not gotten drastically better though, maybe that is something that will improve with time or I need to look elsewhere for sleep gains. TMJ symptoms are possibly a bit better but it could also just be a bad posture thing from sitting hunched over at the computer too much.

I should also mention that quitting coffee hasn't been all roses. One unpleasant symptom has been a sense of unease or low-grade anxiety and more worrying. Coffee can sometimes have the effect of 'calming me down' and not having seed water I guess is a shock to the system, explaining the unease and worrying.

Bad news:

I had 1 cup of coffee yesterday morning for... reasons, lol.

My experience is that quitting coffee is sometimes really easy and sometimes really difficult. Yesterday was a particularly difficult day to not drink coffee. The first few days you experience a "buzz" of doing something new and exciting, but then that slowly fades away and you very much want to go and get a coffee. Still I plan to go ahead without coffee, due to the awesome decaf benefits, but am not sure whether to reset the decaffeinated timer. What do you guys think?

 

[Korven]

Super cool about the spider. I recall sometimes at night I’ll close my eyes and the visuals I’ll see in my eyes are just a tangled mess of geometry patterns and shapes all misaligned and not ordered. This is the opposite of what I want cognitively, which is a healthy prefrontal cortex functioning to think proactively, analytically, rationally.

I feel like a lot of the things you are mentioning could be symptoms of what may be an overall stressful lifestyle and mindset, impeding your ability to make good decisions in regards to your health, body and mind. TMJ and posture issues could stem from excessive sitting, incorrect exercising, improper diet, too much stress.

Depression/ahedonia is certainly concerning too. Removing coffee will not fix this, but it will force you (hopefully) to find different solutions. If you’ve been relying on coffee to feel better anytime your depressed/ahedonic , it’s not actually addressing the root issue of what is causing the ahedonia/depression, and thus impeding your ability to find the solution.

Restoring proper metabolic function, whether nutritionally/medicinally/behaviorally will fix that, although it’s way easier said than done.

Periodic fasts out in nature can be good for clearing the mind, breaking out of negative patterns, rewiring your brain, etc…

Thanks for your advice @Runenight201, I appreciate it!

I agree there are other things besides quitting coffee that needs addressing, like stress and poor posture (which I think may explain a lot of my TMJ symptoms). Like you say my idea was sort of to stop the coffee and hopefully be able to figure out a solution to my anhedonic state. Interestingly just quitting coffee seemed to fix a lot of the anhedonia, maybe I am just sleeping better now and that was the cause of the bad moods?

I've suffered from suicidal level depression as well as serious anhedonia. For myself certain foods 100% were behind both. Coffee absolutely causes anhedonia for me personally. I can literally turn it off and on with zero other changes in my life. Don't underestimate the powerful serotonin stimulation that can result from gut irritation, food sensitivity and bacteria overgrowth.

Yep seems to be true for me as well. I feel overall more positive and happy without coffee and have more 'zest for life'.

 

[Mister]

I look much healthier - skin looks more hydrated

I notice that too when quitting.

But coffee is a mild diuretic so no surprise.

 

[Makrosky]

After using manganese I can tolerate coffee like how people describe it here. No more stress response but everyone is different

hey, that is interesting. I remember some forum members like amazoniac pointing this out. Could you elaborate more on how you use it? I am very curious. Like brand/type of manganese, dosage, mixed with coffe or not, etc.

 

[Makrosky]

Good news:

I made it 9 days without drinking coffee which is the longest I have gone without since probably... 12-13 years? The improvements that stand out to me are:

- MUCH better impulse control/executive function. Before my mind would sort of 'drag me around' and it would be hard to focus on tasks, avoid distractions, say no to various temptations and other addictions, and so on. Without coffee this is a breeze, I feel like a zen monk and have no problems at all with staying on task. On coffee = 100 tabs open in browser. Off coffee = 2 tabs open.
- Stress resilience increased by 1000%. It's incredible how much better I am able to deal with stress in life without coffee.
- I look much healthier - skin looks more hydrated, dark eye circles are reduced and I haven't had any rosacea skin flareups. This alone makes ditching coffee worth it.
- I feel better overall and am enjoying life more. It seems like coffee may have been causing some of the anhedonia I was experiencing.
- No dependency on any drug or substance to get going in the morning.

Sleep has not gotten drastically better though, maybe that is something that will improve with time or I need to look elsewhere for sleep gains. TMJ symptoms are possibly a bit better but it could also just be a bad posture thing from sitting hunched over at the computer too much.

I should also mention that quitting coffee hasn't been all roses. One unpleasant symptom has been a sense of unease or low-grade anxiety and more worrying. Coffee can sometimes have the effect of 'calming me down' and not having seed water I guess is a shock to the system, explaining the unease and worrying.

Bad news:

I had 1 cup of coffee yesterday morning for... reasons, lol.

My experience is that quitting coffee is sometimes really easy and sometimes really difficult. Yesterday was a particularly difficult day to not drink coffee. The first few days you experience a "buzz" of doing something new and exciting, but then that slowly fades away and you very much want to go and get a coffee. Still I plan to go ahead without coffee, due to the awesome decaf benefits, but am not sure whether to reset the decaffeinated timer. What do you guys think?

Thanks for the update. Very interesting. I can relate a lot to the tabs open thing haha

Btw, isn't coffee addiction/quitting/relapsi g a problem only because of the jobs we have? I think is the root problem. If one would live an easy life with no stressful/very demanding job would it be so difficult to quit it? I suspect no.