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Yup we know female hormones and body size are generally more geared towards a longer lifespan. My grandma lived to 86 frying a lot of things in Crisco.
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Yup we know female hormones and body size are generally more geared towards a longer lifespan. My grandma lived to 86 frying a lot of things in Crisco.
I don't agree with this. Most famous people are self-absorbed and instantly announce their ideas. Ray was certainly an outlier.
That's true for many, but certainly not for Ray Peat. He was always honest with what he was doing, sharing his views to inspire others to look for answers themselves.
I agree. I think Dr Peat was very sick in 2022 and made the changes in his diet as an attempt to save his failing health. Any changes he made in 2022 about diet was to serve that end. Sadly it didn’t work. I think if he had gotten better he might have returned the high fruit, milk, oj, adequate protein diet we which he so consistently and unwaveringly recommended in his previous 30+ years of diet advice.Yes exactly. Dr. Peat was sick and I’m sure knew he was sick. Lowering protein was an attempt to remediate some of his health problems, not a general recommendation.
I find it difficult to have less than 60 - 80g protein per day, but if I could keep it to 60 I would. I think Dr. Peat didn’t appreciate the importance of avoiding methionine enough because low methionine can help almost all health problems and help even slow down cancer. And it is a diet that is essentially heavy on plants, not dairy or other animal products.
I know you're being sarcastic but I still wanted say my peace. Thanks mosaic01:)
Where can I read more about the toxicity of diets? That sounds very novel to me. Is there any reason stuff like ice cream or oj is toxic?I'm a fan of his but I doubt he survived to 86 on a bizarre diet of 1% milk, oj and coconut oil ice cream. I agree with charlie that a diet like that is a toxic joke and I appreciate that RP wanted to let his followers know before leaving this earth that he no longer thought people should eat this way.
I’ve had that thought many times. It must have been a hugh shock to Dr Peat’s system to make such a drastic change to his diet. He must have been very sick to do so. One of the things I’ve always liked about Dr Peat was his attention to stress to the system. That’s why he wasn’t for fasting, or spicy food, or vigorous exercise- too much stress.You don't make drastic changes to diet at that age (it is very stressful to do so) unless you are very ill indeed. I am 74 so speak with knowledge on the subject.
Yes he would have been aware of the stress of such a change but had to do it anyway, not as an experiment, but a means to reduce his suffering. I agree about an autistic personality type in him also shown in his brilliance. Sad he missed the hypervitaminosis A.I’ve had that thought many times. It must have been a hugh shock to Dr Peat’s system to make such a drastic change to his diet. He must have been very sick to do so. One of the things I’ve always liked about Dr Peat was his attention to stress to the system. That’s why he wasn’t for fasting, or spicy food, or vigorous exercise- too much stress.
Any diet not proven to keep populations healthy over generations is probably toxic. Getting a large percentage of calories from hydrogenated coconut oil ice cream is risky because there is no evidence it can be a large part of a successful human diet.Where can I read more about the toxicity of diets? That sounds very novel to me. Is there any reason stuff like ice cream or oj is toxic?
Thanks. I didn't know that about him.I'm not sarcastic. Being honest and keeping some things private are not mutually exclusive.
He had a somewhat autistic personality and was not aware of the effects of the things he said. When someone showed him some of the online communities that had developed in his name, he was shocked a bit, for example. He had good intentions but in the end he was not able to communicate in terms of practical application.
beer and wine lolSome cultures get lots of calories from bear and wine.
I thought this was a big deal and should have been nailed down on the rpf.
Dr. Ray Peat denounced a high protein diet in his last 4 or 5 interviews. He switched from recommending at least 80-100 grams (or more) to about 50 grams per 2500 calories and thought his high protein diet was lowering his metabolism and stimulating mtor which accelerates aging.
Danny Roddy pins Ray down on his shift:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZCgpw6_sRA
"Phosphate, which predominates in grains, beans, nuts, meats, and fish, increases our production of parathyroid hormone, while calcium and magnesium inhibit its production. This hormone, which increases with age, suppresses immunity, and in excess it causes insomnia, seizures, dementia, psychosis, cancer, heart disease, respiratory distress and pulmonary hypertension, osteoporosis, sarcopenia, histamine release, inflammation and soft tissue calcification, and many other problems."
I totally agree with you and it matches my experience. For example, when I am very stressed I feel like I need some type of quick energy (Carbohydrates) and I cannot tolerate very fatty foods like meat. Then when I'm relaxing I feel like a good cut of meat.I don't agree with this. Most famous people are self-absorbed and instantly announce their ideas. Ray was certainly an outlier. I also do not agree with your stance on "traditional diets", as I think 0.8g/kg protein is minimum for anyone, and for unhealthy people even more as they are more catabolic less anabolic. Isn't that also the RDA? Now just think about how little people meet that quota, except the fat ones. Also think about how the rda of a government that is designed to keep you sick is so high. This is because people that were better off in the past usually ate even more than that.
What I find to be the case, when growing up and also now, is that I have very little appetite for protein. This coincides with my stress: I am/was basically 24/7 in fight-or-flight, mainly thanks to my less than ideal childhood. I stopped this 1-2 years ago and am making great progress in being more calm, and now I find my appetite working properly and desiring protein. So in this case I think that a stressed body doesn't really want protein, but what if one of the causes of stress is a low-protein diet?
Now when I desire carbs but at the same time don't want to eat any carbs, that means I want protein and surely enough, once I have the protein on a plate and I take a bite out of it I really, really like the taste.
My experience as well, we should listen to our appetite but also try to understand it. Someone chronically stressed will basically never desire protein, even if it is detrimental to his health, until the stress has been lowered. I think that being in a chronically stressed state with high estrogen also makes you desire fried foods and pufa more, but instead of giving into the appetite it's better to understand the long-term effects of such dietary choices and try to change the environment that causes the appetite to go wrong. This is probably why growing up I had such little appetite for protein, which was of course bad for development, as I was very dissociated. It doesn't make sense for a growing kid not to have strong cravings for the nutrients he needs to develop, unless he is stressed or traumatized, making him disconnected from the feelings/signals of the body.I totally agree with you and it matches my experience. For example, when I am very stressed I feel like I need some type of quick energy (Carbohydrates) and I cannot tolerate very fatty foods like meat. Then when I'm relaxing I feel like a good cut of meat.
The same thing happens with athletes. An athlete after training will not eat a portion of meat. Rather, he will drink a high-carbohydrate drink to replenish his condition.