Does high testosterone make you more likely to be gay or have ED? Some observations from guys I see/know

[Matestube]

@ScurveDream @Cloudhands
this is my experience of the associations I have made between different phenomena and characteristics, characteristics and phenomena which are themselves associated with different hormones:

very low levels of E2 and serotonin, asexual tendencies.

very low levels of E2 and serotonin, high levels of progesterone, with some testosterone and DHT, asexual tendencies where the attraction for the person is felt in the heart, and in the kissing.

a fairly substantial amount of testosterone and DHT with some E2 and serotonin, heterosexual tendencies where sexual pleasure is concentrated soly on the penis and penetration into the vagina.

a fairly substantial amount of testosterone and DHT, some E2,too low serotonin, hypersexual tendencies, the person is still the one who mounts, the attraction can extend to people of the opposite sex and even other species.

a ratio more in favor of testosterone, some testosterone, some DHT E2/serotonin not much, heterosexual tendencies where the pleasure is around the vagina zone, but not necessary penetration, just "frottage contact pubis againts pubis for example and the person does not show the dominant tendency to be above the woman.

a certain level of testosterone, a rather low level of DHT and an excessively high level of E2 and serotonin, bisexual tendencies and getting mounted.

a certain level of testosterone and DHT quite high, and a level of serotonin and E2 too high, heterosexual tendencies with sexual practices other than penetration in the vagina such as penetrating the girl in the anus, the girl who sucks you...etc,it can reach a higher degree of domination,and violence tendencies.

high progesterone very low E2/serotonin and very low testosterone/DHT,asexual tendencies with feelings in your lower belly in reactions to healthy men faces,that are not sexually charged

Spot on

 

[tankasnowgod]

Ok so before going in I will say I am NOT pointing fingers at any testosterone users here and this is not bait/trolling but 100% serious observations I have come to see.

Already, in your first sentence, you have switched from men that are "high testosterone" to "testosterone users." You DO know there is a difference between the two, right?

I notice a trend that guys with super high T from mega hormone use, not usually unaturally, seem to be more likely bisexual, or more likely to have erection issues?

Another switch. So now, we aren't talking about guys with naturally high levels, or those on TRT, but "mega hormone use." Yet another confounder.

First anecdote is user TheBeard who is pretty known around here for those who have seen male/testosterone topics. He mentioned he would take humongous amounts of test/experimenting/etc. He also mentioned he was gay ... Or bi? He said he liked transsexuals or something like that. He also said your balls haven't dropped yet if you made fun of his tranny fondness, so presumably he is equating liking trannies with being masculine? Lo and behold...

Another guy more known is a "bodybuilder" who goes by the name of Lenny Persin from Boca Raton, FL area (quite a character -- proceed with caution going down this rabbit hole!). The guy himself mentioned using tren, test, everything under the sun for "bodybuilding." Surprise, surprise ... He has some overlapping relations or "interests" with TheBeard himself ... He also likes trannies. He doesn't just say this like TheBeard without proof (not that anyone wants to see any) but Lenny Persin has actual ... Footage with trannies. Yes. Obviously I am not showing proof of that here but it is there if you doubt my assertions ... Internet magic, I suppose. Yes he has erectile dysfunction too. Can confirm.

Third anecdote -- a young guy from Lookism.net. He was considered "super masculine" and "low trust" on there ... I think some South American kid with a DOM-tier face (low eyebrows; low trust looking which is correlated with prenatal T exposure or such in studies). Basically he was considered a Chad or "high T" ... And he also posted a tranny he slept with too. And wait for it ... He also eventually had erection issues too. Maybe it isn't just supraphysiological levels of T? Maybe it is other factors? All I know is I see LOTS of "masc high T guys" who more often than not turn out bisexual or gay and also tend to have ED or erection issues.

My next case -- porn. In porn with buff or muscly guys they often have poor erection quality and smaller members. I'm not saying all guys go on mega gear to compensate but it does seem pretty common to see big muscly guys in porn who do not have ... Much down below overall. On the flipside I see "feminine" or progestogenic looking males who tend to be the ones with bigger penises and fewer erection issues. Most guys in porn are getting on gear now, and in lots of porn the guys have trouble getting it rock hard ... Coincidence?

None of these examples are guys you "see" or "know." You have two examples of people who post on the internet, and then two more "famous" examples. Not a testosterone level to be found among them (although I do know The Beard did post his labs from time to time). Oh, and you know that profile pic The Beard used to have wasn't him, right? It was Burt Reynolds. So, I doubt you've ever seen a picture of him.

There's plenty of anecdotal talk about exogenous steroid use and ED or reduced libido, but that could be due to a whole host of other issues (such as the type of steroid, a cycle, other drugs taken with it, etc). Plus, almost all guys who use steroids or take TRT are trying to correct a problem in the first place, and may be having varying degrees of success.

If you are really curious of a link between testosterone levels and homosexuality, I would suggest you do some searches on Pubmed, instead of making a wild guess about someone's testosterone level based on a picture, or words they wrote in a forum.

 

[shine]

If you're afraid of using testosterone because it might turn you gay you are already in the closet. If you're gay just say it.


Nothing wrong with wrestling your buddies at the local gym.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnSG3-zFF2c

 

[Nomane Euger]

If you are really curious of a link between testosterone levels and homosexuality, I would suggest you do some searches on Pubmed, instead of making a wild guess about someone's testosterone level based on a picture, or words they wrote in a forum.

Hi,why should he give a higher degree of credibility to claims from texts published on pubmed rather than someone claims on the forum?

 

[tankasnowgod]

Hi,why should he give a higher degree of credibility to claims from texts published on pubmed rather than someone claims on the forum?

I don't think he should give more credibility to "claims" of published texts. But if you've been on this forum for any amount of time, you should be able to read the "Materials and Methods" section of a study, and look at the published results. That will obviously tell you more than just anecdotes, or even just reading the abstract and conclusion. There's obviously plenty of questionable studies on Pubmed, but it's fairly easy to judge the quality of them, if you just follow the simple steps I mention above.

Plus, any objective data in published texts is more likely to be accurate.

What would be more useful in forming a conclusion? The reports of four uncontrolled "case studies," which are totally self reported, and where they didn't even bother to measure testosterone levels, and then came to a conclusion about testosterone levels and homosexuality? Or, a study on Pubmed that lays out the materials and methods, recruits 30 heterosexual men and 30 homosexual men, does 3 hormone panels over the span of 6 months, and measures testosterone, estradiol, prolactin, and TSH? You don't have to just robotically accept any conclusions drawn in the study, since you could look at the data and make conclusions yourself.

 

[Nomane Euger]

I don't think he should give more credibility to "claims" of published texts. But if you've been on this forum for any amount of time, you should be able to read the "Materials and Methods" section of a study, and look at the published results. That will obviously tell you more than just anecdotes, or even just reading the abstract and conclusion. There's obviously plenty of questionable studies on Pubmed, but it's fairly easy to judge the quality of them, if you just follow the simple steps I mention above.

What would be more useful in forming a conclusion? The reports of four uncontrolled "case studies," which are totally self reported, and where they didn't even bother to measure testosterone levels, and then came to a conclusion about testosterone levels and homosexuality? Or, a study on Pubmed that lays out the materials and methods, recruits 30 heterosexual men and 30 homosexual men, does 3 hormone panels over the span of 6 months, and measures testosterone, estradiol, prolactin, and TSH? You don't have to just robotically accept any conclusions drawn in the study, since you could look at the data and make conclusions yourself.

Why should "Materials and methods section","abstract and conclusion" tell you more than anecdotes considering that most of the readers did not conduct the experiment their self therefore do not have a legit reason to give a high degree of credibility to the fact that this experiment was actually conducted, and that what is claimed in the study has really been observed?

 

[liam183]

Derek moreplatesmoredates.com has some good videos on this. Think it's due to progesterone or prostaglandins or something. Can't remember exactly

 

[Morgan]

Why is there an obsession with an individuals sexuality? What if sexuality is nuanced or even fluid and complex? Do we even need labels for sexuality, when far in the past there wasn't such forms of identity; sexuality just was. Is it possible that someone may just have erection issues if they are with a partner that isn't playful, that doesn't genuinely express desire for them; to feel and experience that affection or desire is pretty important.. Perhaps these so called "trannies" know how to make a man happy or they likely express an uplifting presence in the bedroom by actually having the chance of being with someone that wants them for who they are?

I dislike the usage of these particular words but I'm going to create a new one just for this topic, "mannies" how ridiculous language can be, men that are obsessed with some definition of masculinity within the modern era.. I wonder who it is that admires the physique of a professional lifter or bodybuilder more? Is it not other men that show them admiration more than anyone? It certainly feels good to be admired, to be desired.. What is the physique a representation for anyways? Physical labor, difficult or dangerous jobs that nobody wants to do but invariably someone has to in order for society to function. Is it an expression of violent potential? An expression of some sort of "presence" or physical competency? What are the traits that you would look for in a slave or a work horse..? Is it for war? Is that why men are forced to stay in Ukraine? That sounds like slavery to me.

I believe cultural brilliance shines when men learn to love each other, romantically and or platonically. To create art displaying their beauty or elegance, to have people genuinely care about their needs, and especially to remove the shame surrounding their sexual energy. It is a GIFT, and people were meant to bond with others regardless of some pointless concern of gender or orientation. To create different ideals for what masculinity can mean, something more relaxed and at peace with just being, or more flexible in expression.

"The penis is the male animal-flower. A soft-firm dildo, a warm dream." - Ray Peat

Social Closeness Increases Salivary Progesterone in Humans

We examined whether interpersonal closeness increases salivary progesterone. One hundred and sixty female college students (80 dyads) were randomly assigned to participate in either a closeness task with a partner versus a neutral task with a partner. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Prenatal endocrine influences on sexual orientation and on sexually differentiated childhood behavior

Both sexual orientation and sex-typical childhood behaviors, such as toy, playmate and activity preferences, show substantial sex differences, as well as substantial variability within each sex. In other species, behaviors that show sex differences are ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Although a role for hormones during early development has been established, it also appears that there may be multiple pathways to a given sexual orientation outcome and some of these pathways may not involve hormones."

 

[TheCedar1]

Ok so before going in I will say I am NOT pointing fingers at any testosterone users here and this is not bait/trolling but 100% serious observations I have come to see.

I notice a trend that guys with super high T from mega hormone use, not usually unaturally, seem to be more likely bisexual, or more likely to have erection issues?

First anecdote is user TheBeard who is pretty known around here for those who have seen male/testosterone topics. He mentioned he would take humongous amounts of test/experimenting/etc. He also mentioned he was gay ... Or bi? He said he liked transsexuals or something like that. He also said your balls haven't dropped yet if you made fun of his tranny fondness, so presumably he is equating liking trannies with being masculine? Lo and behold...

Another guy more known is a "bodybuilder" who goes by the name of Lenny Persin from Boca Raton, FL area (quite a character -- proceed with caution going down this rabbit hole!). The guy himself mentioned using tren, test, everything under the sun for "bodybuilding." Surprise, surprise ... He has some overlapping relations or "interests" with TheBeard himself ... He also likes trannies. He doesn't just say this like TheBeard without proof (not that anyone wants to see any) but Lenny Persin has actual ... Footage with trannies. Yes. Obviously I am not showing proof of that here but it is there if you doubt my assertions ... Internet magic, I suppose. Yes he has erectile dysfunction too. Can confirm.

Third anecdote -- a young guy from Lookism.net. He was considered "super masculine" and "low trust" on there ... I think some South American kid with a DOM-tier face (low eyebrows; low trust looking which is correlated with prenatal T exposure or such in studies). Basically he was considered a Chad or "high T" ... And he also posted a tranny he slept with too. And wait for it ... He also eventually had erection issues too. Maybe it isn't just supraphysiological levels of T? Maybe it is other factors? All I know is I see LOTS of "masc high T guys" who more often than not turn out bisexual or gay and also tend to have ED or erection issues.

My next case -- porn. In porn with buff or muscly guys they often have poor erection quality and smaller members. I'm not saying all guys go on mega gear to compensate but it does seem pretty common to see big muscly guys in porn who do not have ... Much down below overall. On the flipside I see "feminine" or progestogenic looking males who tend to be the ones with bigger penises and fewer erection issues. Most guys in porn are getting on gear now, and in lots of porn the guys have trouble getting it rock hard ... Coincidence?

I've heard that even behind the scenes the guys CANNOT get hard sometimes at all and need viagra or lots of time as they struggle with erection getting a lot. People say they take stuff to get hard to perform better but that sounds like a lie.

If you told people you took viagra they'd first assume you can't "get it up" not that you want to "enhance" it. Clever cover up?

Guys who drink a lot are said to have high T. Guess what? Most heavy and long term male drinkers have erection issues too. Can't say about the gay or bi part but I am very confident that there are some corrolations with alcohol abuse and testosterone in some situations at least ... But if the guy is "natty" this might be negligible to add....

I keep seeing lots of evidence to my awareness somehow that exogenous megadosing of test or tren or etc. makes guys more likely to turn bi or gay, along with possibly causing erection issues.

There is also the "prison theory" I should add ... Male prisoners forcing sexual acts on other males. "Bubba" or similar presumed rape theories fly by in prison culture of males. Aren't most male prisoners higher testosterone, and/or tend to take AAS too? Interesting, no?

Yet ironically "feminine" or "low T" looking men tend to have these issues less in my view. It seems we have contradictory ideas on what is "manly" sometimes, but I'll just leave it here and let anyone else decide if they want to chime in here on anything of related such they notice/can elaborate on.

They're on trenbolone, not testosterone, the reason tren has such cursed effects is due to its extreme affinity to the progesterone receptors, which could lead to alterations in the brain that changes your sexual preferences. You're at a high risk if you have inbalanced dopamine receptors in your brain, there's no way in hell testosterone could have such effect, it doesn't even bind to the progesterone receptors

 

[Nomane Euger]

Why is there an obsession with an individuals sexuality?

hi,where is the obsession you are talking about?

What if sexuality is nuanced or even fluid and complex?

the OP imply that sexuality can be fluid,he didnt say its Fixed,and many of the commenters said that it is nuanced.

Do we even need labels for sexuality, when far in the past there wasn't such forms of identity; sexuality just was.

no one is saying "WE WANT LABEL"people are exchanging perspectives on differents phenomenons that they observe,and associations they make,as nuanced these phenomenons are,we put word on it,and its legitimate.you dont know if in the past there was "no such form of identity",you were not there.

I dislike the usage of these particular words but I'm going to create a new one just for this topic, "mannies" how ridiculous language can be, men that are obsessed with some definition of masculinity within the modern era..

some use of language are "ridiculous" and "infectious" according to you,you use the exact same process that you despise.men mannifest different degrees of focus with "masculinity"because they dont feel good enough,therefore they manifest this tendency, they have the will to change their self for the better,it wont necessary work as expected,still some characteristics that are communly associated to maculinity are absolutly valuable in a competitive environnement,in wicch most peoples bath,therefore you should rejoice that a part of men do focus on improving certain characteristics associated with masculinity,if they improve the right characteristics,it will make their life better and the life of peoples they care about better

I wonder who it is that admires the physique of a professional lifter or bodybuilder more? Is it not other men that show them admiration more than anyone? It certainly feels good to be admired, to be desired.. What is the physique a representation for anyways? Physical labor, difficult or dangerous jobs that nobody wants to do but invariably someone has to in order for society to function.

you that demand nuances,not all professional lifter or bodybuilder have a displeasing body,and i have not seen anyone on this post that claimed that having a body builder unpleasing physic is the manifestation of a high degree of masculinity or something they wish to have.some aspects of physique will be perceive a certain way indepedently of culture for most peoples,and these characteristics are associated with other characteristics that are perceive as positive by most peoples.there is varying degree of physical labors and difficult and dangerous task independently of whever there is a "society",so thats a positive that peoples develop a physique adaptated to these physical,difficult and dangerous task if these are valuable for their long term well being.

Is it an expression of violent potential? An expression of some sort of "presence" or physical competency? What are the traits that you would look for in a slave or a work horse..? Is it for war? Is that why men are forced to stay in Ukraine? That sounds like slavery to me.

it is an expression of power and resilience potential,wich does not necessary equate using it illegitimately,same with your kitchen knife.

I believe cultural brilliance shines when men learn to love each other, romantically and or platonically. To create art displaying their beauty or elegance, to have people genuinely care about their needs, and especially to remove the shame surrounding their sexual energy. It is a GIFT, and people were meant to bond with others regardless of some pointless concern of gender or orientation. To create different ideals for what masculinity can mean, something more relaxed and at peace with just being, or more flexible in expression.

"The penis is the male animal-flower. A soft-firm dildo, a warm dream." - Ray Peat

Social Closeness Increases Salivary Progesterone in Humans

We examined whether interpersonal closeness increases salivary progesterone. One hundred and sixty female college students (80 dyads) were randomly assigned to participate in either a closeness task with a partner versus a neutral task with a partner. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Prenatal endocrine influences on sexual orientation and on sexually differentiated childhood behavior

Both sexual orientation and sex-typical childhood behaviors, such as toy, playmate and activity preferences, show substantial sex differences, as well as substantial variability within each sex. In other species, behaviors that show sex differences are ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Although a role for hormones during early development has been established, it also appears that there may be multiple pathways to a given sexual orientation outcome and some of these pathways may not involve hormones."

What are "men" , you despise peoples talking about masculinity because things are "relative" and "nuanced"how do you esteem that someone is a man?there is some form of sexuality that are associated with other negatives feelings,including shame,independently of the will of the person."peoples were meant to bond with others",it does not mean that sodomy is optimal or for bonding,neither necessary.gender and orientation are tendencies you spontaneously manifest,the sexuality in it self is not the problem,the problem is the suboptimal feelings and possibly symptoms that are associated with the manifestation of different sexual tendencies.there is already good ideals about masculinity and masculinity experienced optimally,that do include a relaxed and peacefull state,does not necessary include being flexible to the point at wich you enjoy homosexual sex,quite the contrary

 

[MetabolicTrash]

They're on trenbolone, not testosterone, the reason tren has such cursed effects is due to its extreme affinity to the progesterone receptors, which could lead to alterations in the brain that changes your sexual preferences. You're at a high risk if you have inbalanced dopamine receptors in your brain, there's no way in hell testosterone could have such effect, it doesn't even bind to the progesterone receptors

I & many other guys here have taken progesterone (some even in SUPER HIGH amounts) & it does not turn you gay or alter sexual preferences ... Never heard of one case even. Not that I believe one simply turns gay through one "thing," but more so pointing to testosterone as one driver of the process FOR SOME, not an instant "gaymaker."

Why do you think "binding" to progesterone "receptors" is what alters sexuality? If so, wouldn't there have been members here discussing such given Ray's "approval" of its use/as an estrogen "antagonist"/etc.? I'd expect at least a few solid cases where (male users) here are reporting sexuality fluidity through progesterone use over-time.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I & many other guys here have taken progesterone (some even in SUPER HIGH amounts) & it does not turn you gay or alter sexual preferences ... Never heard of one case even. Not that I believe one simply turns gay through one "thing," but more so pointing to testosterone as one driver of the process FOR SOME, not an instant "gaymaker."

Funny, you didn't post a single case of exogenous anabolic steroids making someone homosexual, either. The last two examples in your OP, you don't even mention a claim of steroid use. So, how would that factor into it?

As for the first two examples, why do you think testosterone (or even other hormone supplementation) altered their sexuality, either? How do you know they weren't homosexual or bisexual or whatever BEFORE they took any steroids? By the same token of supplemental progesterone not altering heterosexual male's preferences, isn't it just as likely that supplemental testosterone (or other steroids) wouldn't alter a homosexual male's preferences? Or if it did, it might take quite a long time (say, several years) to do so.

I'm sure there are lots of homosexual men who decided to take anabolic steroids or do TRT. Do you think those steroids retroactively caused them to be homosexual?

 

[tankasnowgod]

Why should "Materials and methods section","abstract and conclusion" tell you more than anecdotes considering that most of the readers did not conduct the experiment their self therefore do not have a legit reason to give a high degree of credibility to the fact that this experiment was actually conducted, and that what is claimed in the study has really been observed?

Go re-read my comment, because you clearly didn't understand it.

Also, if you are going to base a hypothesis on something like Testosterone levels, I at least think an attempt should be made to measure said testosterone levels, and not just make a random guess based on pictures.

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

This is my anecdotal observation, but having formerly been in the fashion industry (as a model) and being associated with lots of gay men, because they do after all, rule that industry…and hearing friend’s stories, my personal understanding is many of them became gay by virtue of having been sexually abused (sodomized) as children. That is the common denominator across the board.

Their testosterone levels had nothing to do with it.

And they became hyper sexual as a result of their abuse leading to a lifestyle of hypersexuality.

 

[Morgan]

hi,where is the obsession you are talking about?

the OP imply that sexuality can be fluid,he didnt say its Fixed,and many of the commenters said that it is nuanced.

hi, the thread is titled and focused on individuals sexuality, and then precedes to discuss the details on specific people. Not only that, but the topic of sexuality being changed later in someones life being blamed on some hormonal profile is still unfounded.. It is discussed with a connotation as if it is something negative, when a person exploring who they are or making a connection with someone of the same or different gender may just be the healthiest thing they can do. The implication is that sexuality is fluid only in states that are considered something that isn't ideal or isn't healthy, when it may just be a persons choice and has nothing to do with their health.. that is what I mean by nuanced and fluid.

no one is saying "WE WANT LABEL"people are exchanging perspectives on differents phenomenons that they observe,and associations they make,as nuanced these phenomenons are,we put word on it,and its legitimate.you dont know if in the past there was "no such form of identity",you were not there.

"..noted that there are no nouns in ancient Greek for either ‘heterosexuality’ or ‘homosexuality’"
"As other scholars have shown, the English word ‘homosexuality’ only goes back to 1869."

some use of language are "ridiculous" and "infectious" according to you,you use the exact same process that you despise.men mannifest different degrees of focus with "masculinity"because they dont feel good enough,therefore they manifest this tendency, they have the will to change their self for the better,it wont necessary work as expected,still some characteristics that are communly associated to maculinity are absolutly valuable in a competitive environnement,in wicch most peoples bath,therefore you should rejoice that a part of men do focus on improving certain characteristics associated with masculinity,if they improve the right characteristics,it will make their life better and the life of peoples they care about better

Language is a concern because it can be highly abusive, the repeated use of the word "trannies" is borderline derogatory, the insistent connotation of a persons choice of expression or of their sexuality being an indicator of their well being is manipulation. This is very different from someone accepting or embracing a label or identity, such as someone comfortably saying they are queer/gay/etc.

you that demand nuances,not all professional lifter or bodybuilder have a displeasing body,and i have not seen anyone on this post that claimed that having a body builder unpleasing physic is the manifestation of a high degree of masculinity or something they wish to have.some aspects of physique will be perceive a certain way indepedently of culture for most peoples,and these characteristics are associated with other characteristics that are perceive as positive by most peoples.there is varying degree of physical labors and difficult and dangerous task independently of whever there is a "society",so thats a positive that peoples develop a physique adaptated to these physical,difficult and dangerous task if these are valuable for their long term well being.

I think you may have misunderstood me or didn't see the sarcasm, that was the point. I'm all for someone that has found a goal that they wish to either emulate or work towards, but applying that to other people is where the problem begins. I have never stated that I find lifters/bodybuilders displeasing, please reread, and not only that I quite like men in all kinds of expressions.

What are "men" , you despise peoples talking about masculinity because things are "relative" and "nuanced"how do you esteem that someone is a man?there is some form of sexuality that are associated with other negatives feelings,including shame,independently of the will of the person."peoples were meant to bond with others",it does not mean that sodomy is optimal or for bonding,neither necessary.gender and orientation are tendencies you spontaneously manifest,the sexuality in it self is not the problem,the problem is the suboptimal feelings and possibly symptoms that are associated with the manifestation of different sexual tendencies.there is already good ideals about masculinity and masculinity experienced optimally,that do include a relaxed and peacefull state,does not necessary include being flexible to the point at wich you enjoy homosexual sex,quite the contrary

"romantically AND OR platonically" without shame

 

[Waynish]

Does massively messing up your hormones or being open to massively wanting to change your hormones correlate with perversion? Of course; sounds like you're describing perversion in general; not just sexual.

 

[Nomane Euger]

Go re-read my comment, because you clearly didn't understand it.

Also, if you are going to base a hypothesis on something like Testosterone levels, I at least think an attempt should be made to measure said testosterone levels, and not just make a random guess based on pictures.

i answered to this part of your comment "I don't think he should give more credibility to "claims" of published texts. But if you've been on this forum for any amount of time, you should be able to read the "Materials and Methods" section of a study, and look at the published results. That will obviously tell you more than just anecdotes"therefore i asked you how does a text on pubmed should tell more than anecdotes,how does it have more credit than anecdotes considering that we dont have a high degree of credibility that these experiments were conducted,and that what they are claiming really have been observed?

 

[Morgan]

This is my anecdotal observation, but having formerly been in the fashion industry (as a model) and being associated with lots of gay men, because they do after all, rule that industry…and hearing friend’s stories, my personal understanding is many of them became gay by virtue of having been sexually abused (sodomized) as children. That is the common denominator across the board.

Their testosterone levels had nothing to do with it.

And they became hyper sexual as a result of their abuse leading to a lifestyle of hypersexuality.

Right, it is an anecdotal observation and my anecdotal observation is that I've never met or talked to someone that was LGBTQ tell me that they were sexually abused, nor is it my personal experience.. The only abuse I have repeatedly heard though is from how their family treats them, from violent physical or verbal abuse to abandonment in one form or another, and most often how they are afraid to be themselves..

 

[Waynish]

This is my anecdotal observation, but having formerly been in the fashion industry (as a model) and being associated with lots of gay men, because they do after all, rule that industry…and hearing friend’s stories, my personal understanding is many of them became gay by virtue of having been sexually abused (sodomized) as children. That is the common denominator across the board.

Their testosterone levels had nothing to do with it.

And they became hyper sexual as a result of their abuse leading to a lifestyle of hypersexuality.

Correct. And speaking of the fashion industry... Between the industry itself and the widespread use of Instagram: we are reaching the point where the majority of beautiful women in existence are psychologically diseased to a degree that can only be reversed by the internet going down / their phones being taken away / non-stop opportunity, stimulation, positive-attention, etc coming to an end. They generally refuse to reproduce until they're out of their healthy reproductive years. Reversing the rise of all this perversion requires stable pair bonding and families. We're at the point now where several TED talks openly promote pedophilia... So the primary utility of a women's beauty today being used for the extraction of wealth in all categories of commerce is no surprise.

 

[tankasnowgod]

i answered to this part of your comment "I don't think he should give more credibility to "claims" of published texts. But if you've been on this forum for any amount of time, you should be able to read the "Materials and Methods" section of a study, and look at the published results. That will obviously tell you more than just anecdotes"

You may have responded to it, but you clearly didn't read it or understand it.

therefore i asked you how does a text on pubmed should tell more than anecdotes,

And I specifically answered this in the comment, both by mentioning "published results," and giving you an example.

how does it have more credit than anecdotes considering that we dont have a high degree of credibility that these experiments were conducted,

What do you mean "high degree of credibility?" I'm guessing you never actually read a study. They tell you what they do in the "Materials and Methods" section. You can usually make a judgement from that. That's how I know if they study is useful, or not.

and that what they are claiming really have been observed?

Again, you clearly didn't understand what I wrote. I told you to look at the results and how they conducted the experiment, and then draw your own conclusions. Not just to blindly accept what they tell you in the abstract, or the conclusion.

Do you not trust researchers to publish objective results correctly? For example, if they say "Subject A had testosterone level of 956 ng/dl," do you think that subject actually had a level of 168 ng/dl? And if you don't trust them to report their observations (and they usually have many levels to check that they at least do this correctly), why would you trust an anonymous report of someone posting up their testosterone levels on a forum? They most certainly don't have anyone checking their work.