Does high testosterone make you more likely to be gay or have ED? Some observations from guys I see/know

[MetabolicTrash]

Ok so before going in I will say I am NOT pointing fingers at any testosterone users here and this is not bait/trolling but 100% serious observations I have come to see.

I notice a trend that guys with super high T from mega hormone use, not usually unaturally, seem to be more likely bisexual, or more likely to have erection issues?

First anecdote is user TheBeard who is pretty known around here for those who have seen male/testosterone topics. He mentioned he would take humongous amounts of test/experimenting/etc. He also mentioned he was gay ... Or bi? He said he liked transsexuals or something like that. He also said your balls haven't dropped yet if you made fun of his tranny fondness, so presumably he is equating liking trannies with being masculine? Lo and behold...

Another guy more known is a "bodybuilder" who goes by the name of Lenny Persin from Boca Raton, FL area (quite a character -- proceed with caution going down this rabbit hole!). The guy himself mentioned using tren, test, everything under the sun for "bodybuilding." Surprise, surprise ... He has some overlapping relations or "interests" with TheBeard himself ... He also likes trannies. He doesn't just say this like TheBeard without proof (not that anyone wants to see any) but Lenny Persin has actual ... Footage with trannies. Yes. Obviously I am not showing proof of that here but it is there if you doubt my assertions ... Internet magic, I suppose. Yes he has erectile dysfunction too. Can confirm.

Third anecdote -- a young guy from Lookism.net. He was considered "super masculine" and "low trust" on there ... I think some South American kid with a DOM-tier face (low eyebrows; low trust looking which is correlated with prenatal T exposure or such in studies). Basically he was considered a Chad or "high T" ... And he also posted a tranny he slept with too. And wait for it ... He also eventually had erection issues too. Maybe it isn't just supraphysiological levels of T? Maybe it is other factors? All I know is I see LOTS of "masc high T guys" who more often than not turn out bisexual or gay and also tend to have ED or erection issues.

My next case -- porn. In porn with buff or muscly guys they often have poor erection quality and smaller members. I'm not saying all guys go on mega gear to compensate but it does seem pretty common to see big muscly guys in porn who do not have ... Much down below overall. On the flipside I see "feminine" or progestogenic looking males who tend to be the ones with bigger penises and fewer erection issues. Most guys in porn are getting on gear now, and in lots of porn the guys have trouble getting it rock hard ... Coincidence?

I've heard that even behind the scenes the guys CANNOT get hard sometimes at all and need viagra or lots of time as they struggle with erection getting a lot. People say they take stuff to get hard to perform better but that sounds like a lie.

If you told people you took viagra they'd first assume you can't "get it up" not that you want to "enhance" it. Clever cover up?

Guys who drink a lot are said to have high T. Guess what? Most heavy and long term male drinkers have erection issues too. Can't say about the gay or bi part but I am very confident that there are some corrolations with alcohol abuse and testosterone in some situations at least ... But if the guy is "natty" this might be negligible to add....

I keep seeing lots of evidence to my awareness somehow that exogenous megadosing of test or tren or etc. makes guys more likely to turn bi or gay, along with possibly causing erection issues.

There is also the "prison theory" I should add ... Male prisoners forcing sexual acts on other males. "Bubba" or similar presumed rape theories fly by in prison culture of males. Aren't most male prisoners higher testosterone, and/or tend to take AAS too? Interesting, no?

Yet ironically "feminine" or "low T" looking men tend to have these issues less in my view. It seems we have contradictory ideas on what is "manly" sometimes, but I'll just leave it here and let anyone else decide if they want to chime in here on anything of related such they notice/can elaborate on.

 

[Matestube]

Ok so before going in I will say I am NOT pointing fingers at any testosterone users here and this is not bait/trolling but 100% serious observations I have come to see.

I notice a trend that guys with super high T from mega hormone use, not usually unaturally, seem to be more likely bisexual, or more likely to have erection issues?

First anecdote is user TheBeard who is pretty known around here for those who have seen male/testosterone topics. He mentioned he would take humongous amounts of test/experimenting/etc. He also mentioned he was gay ... Or bi? He said he liked transsexuals or something like that. He also said your balls haven't dropped yet if you made fun of his tranny fondness, so presumably he is equating liking trannies with being masculine? Lo and behold...

Another guy more known is a "bodybuilder" who goes by the name of Lenny Persin from Boca Raton, FL area (quite a character -- proceed with caution going down this rabbit hole!). The guy himself mentioned using tren, test, everything under the sun for "bodybuilding." Surprise, surprise ... He has some overlapping relations or "interests" with TheBeard himself ... He also likes trannies. He doesn't just say this like TheBeard without proof (not that anyone wants to see any) but Lenny Persin has actual ... Footage with trannies. Yes. Obviously I am not showing proof of that here but it is there if you doubt my assertions ... Internet magic, I suppose. Yes he has erectile dysfunction too. Can confirm.

Third anecdote -- a young guy from Lookism.net. He was considered "super masculine" and "low trust" on there ... I think some South American kid with a DOM-tier face (low eyebrows; low trust looking which is correlated with prenatal T exposure or such in studies). Basically he was considered a Chad or "high T" ... And he also posted a tranny he slept with too. And wait for it ... He also eventually had erection issues too. Maybe it isn't just supraphysiological levels of T? Maybe it is other factors? All I know is I see LOTS of "masc high T guys" who more often than not turn out bisexual or gay and also tend to have ED or erection issues.

My next case -- porn. In porn with buff or muscly guys they often have poor erection quality and smaller members. I'm not saying all guys go on mega gear to compensate but it does seem pretty common to see big muscly guys in porn who do not have ... Much down below overall. On the flipside I see "feminine" or progestogenic looking males who tend to be the ones with bigger penises and fewer erection issues. Most guys in porn are getting on gear now, and in lots of porn the guys have trouble getting it rock hard ... Coincidence?

I've heard that even behind the scenes the guys CANNOT get hard sometimes at all and need viagra or lots of time as they struggle with erection getting a lot. People say they take stuff to get hard to perform better but that sounds like a lie.

If you told people you took viagra they'd first assume you can't "get it up" not that you want to "enhance" it. Clever cover up?

Guys who drink a lot are said to have high T. Guess what? Most heavy and long term male drinkers have erection issues too. Can't say about the gay or bi part but I am very confident that there are some corrolations with alcohol abuse and testosterone in some situations at least ... But if the guy is "natty" this might be negligible to add....

I keep seeing lots of evidence to my awareness somehow that exogenous megadosing of test or tren or etc. makes guys more likely to turn bi or gay, along with possibly causing erection issues.

There is also the "prison theory" I should add ... Male prisoners forcing sexual acts on other males. "Bubba" or similar presumed rape theories fly by in prison culture of males. Aren't most male prisoners higher testosterone, and/or tend to take AAS too? Interesting, no?

Yet ironically "feminine" or "low T" looking men tend to have these issues less in my view. It seems we have contradictory ideas on what is "manly" sometimes, but I'll just leave it here and let anyone else decide if they want to chime in here on anything of related such they notice/can elaborate on.

TheBeard had a one time experience with a tranny, he was not into them, he was actually very much heterosexual judging from his other posts and the way he talked about women.
As far as bodybuilders being gay, I think the use of Tren is famous for giving bisexual orientations and kinky sexual preferences, not testosterone.
So although you think some men have high T, they are most likelt using tren and having progestogenic activity.

 

[MetabolicTrash]

TheBeard had a one time experience with a tranny, he was not into them, he was actually very much heterosexual judging from his other posts and the way he talked about women.
As far as bodybuilders being gay, I think the use of Tren is famous for giving bisexual orientations and kinky sexual preferences, not testosterone.
So although you think some men have high T, they are most likelt using tren and having progestogenic activity.

I don't know about that. Have you seen his posts on this topic?

Even if it was one time he sure seemed to like it.....

Also most guys who use tren also use T. Do you know of any guys blasting tren ALONE? So on that front it is essentially difficult to say if it is tren or not specifically when tren is often done almost always with testosterone as well.

Also tren is supposedly more progestogenic but if you are massively using/have used test or such that stuff ends up being more estrogenic down the line anyways. Just look at my thread or Georgi's on testosterone being unsaturated and thus possibly estrogenic-like but in a different fashion.

 

[JamesGatz]

Big Lenny likes Trannies?!? Had no idea, but he looks like the type - that's why my role model has always been Lord of Darkness Jason Genova

There are pretty good theories on what causes homosexuality on this forum - that paper on androtestosterone that always gets posted I find interesting

Personally I think E2 has a strong connection to homosexuals - all open and closet homosexuals I knew growing up always had some glaring activity that boosted E2 when I got to know them.

So as a result - I do think blasting T can make one inclined to engage in homosexual and odd sexual behavior in general - downstream I think blasting T becomes problematic once estrogen and serotonin are subsequently raised.

As some good examples - I noticed many people that smoked marijuana in my HS and in the schools I worked at were open and closet homosexuals. I also knew of a group of homosexuals in my last job that frequently had on these scented oil diffusers that were potently estrogenic.

Girls I knew in school that had high-E2 traits (such as the types of girls that are always wearing masses of make-up and perfume) were the type to not only always be horny, but to engage in lesbian activities as well.

With all of this being said - I don't think I have ever met a high-DHT homosexual or even a high-Progesterone homosexual - if they exist - I would assume it would be a rare case that may be more psychological in my view.​

 

[MetabolicTrash]

Big Lenny likes Trannies?!? Had no idea, but he looks like the type - that's why my role model has always been Lord of Darkness Jason Genova

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There are pretty good theories on what causes homosexuality on this forum - that paper on androtestosterone that always gets posted I find interesting

Personally I think E2 has a strong connection to homosexuals - all open and closet homosexuals I knew growing up always had some glaring activity that boosted E2 when I got to know them.

So as a result - I do think blasting T can make one inclined to engage in homosexual and odd sexual behavior in general - downstream I think blasting T becomes problematic once estrogen and serotonin are subsequently raised.

As some good examples - I noticed many people that smoked marijuana in my HS and in the schools I worked at were open and closet homosexuals. I also knew of a group of homosexuals in my last job that frequently had on these scented oil diffusers that were potently estrogenic.

Girls I knew in school that had high-E2 traits (such as the types of girls that are always wearing masses of make-up and perfume) were the type to not only always be horny, but to engage in lesbian activities as well.

With all of this being said - I don't think I have ever met a high-DHT homosexual or even a high-Progesterone homosexual - if they exist - I would assume it would be a rare case that may be more psychological in my view.​

Yeah, exactly my suspicion. If test eventually ends up being estrogenic-like down the road anyways then that really dampens my interest in wanting to use it anymore past small doses which I already have pretty much at this point.

And from what I've heard that Jason guy -- another fine example to add -- has reportedly been with at least one transexual individual as well.

Lo and behold ... He also is/was a "bodybuilder" and did some major hormones too, presumably test at least or etc.

I know there are FAR too many coincidences overlapping "high T" or etc. with cases or incidences of homosexuality, specifically the prison rape angle that very much confirms it even for the "normies."

And it is very clear to me that heigthened serotonin and/or estrogen apparently makes girls more likely to be seriously bisexual (as opposed to indirectly as in group activities than one-on-one encounters with same-sex) or even lesbian-esque full blown as in some associations with trauma or high serotonin even in very early life stages.

 

[Cloudhands]

i remember in many animal studies the most dominant animals and the most submissive animals exert homosexual behavior. I think the dominant males like to assert themselves, and the submissive males do so to reserve a sense of safety by providing for the dominant males.

 

[SaltiestSardine]

I dunno about trannies, but i grew up around "sted heads"and most of my friends i've known since secondary school when i am in the UK are all on gear and have been so since they was about 17-18 and almost all of them have erectile issues or issues in general with their ****. I'd say anecdotally there is definitely a correlation

 

[MetabolicTrash]

i remember in many animal studies the most dominant animals and the most submissive animals exert homosexual behavior. I think the dominant males like to assert themselves, and the submissive males do so to reserve a sense of safety by providing for the dominant males.

Yep -- just a simplified structure vs. observing it with us modern humes though.

I would also venture my 2 cents that the most dominant and the most submissive animals both alike have higher serotonin, whereas in the middle it is probably somewhere in the middle or variable.

I mean personally I do not consider myself dominant nor submissive overall and I consider myself hetero. I probably do not have high T but I am also positive it isn't low enough to be problematic either. Maybe more could benefit but I am not sold on supplementing T much higher than in Peat-esque dosing from what I learned on here and etc. about it.

 

[Cloudhands]

Yep -- just a simplified structure vs. observing it with us modern humes though.

I would also venture my 2 cents that the most dominant and the most submissive animals both alike have higher serotonin, whereas in the middle it is probably somewhere in the middle or variable.

I mean personally I do not consider myself dominant nor submissive overall and I consider myself hetero. I probably do not have high T but I am also positive it isn't low enough to be problematic either. Maybe more could benefit but I am not sold on supplementing high T from what I learned on here and etc. about it.

i remember in apes that they studies the most dominant and the most submissive apes had the highest cortisol. I dont think that high T necessarily will always make u want to dominate others, but the urge to dominate others probably would lead to men juicing and becoming as large as possible. High T will make men more aggressive, but not necessarily less empathetic or loving. Cortisol will make anyone less loving.

 

[Nebula]

Male hpta axis seems kind of fragile in general. A lot can go wrong with it in the context of modern environments. Shutting it completely down for months and years through supraphysiological doses of androgens not only shuts down testosterone production but dhea and progesterone too.

So I agree and am weary of suppressing the hpta. Thyroid and serotonin antagonists along with dietary precursors seem like a safer route to increasing natural T production in balance with all other hormones.

I recently received my T and DHT powder order. I think I’m only going to experiment with very small amounts of DHT, T, DHEA, Progesterone.

I’m feeling some good metabolic stimulation from cynoplus combined with Idealab’s Harmalan so I’m not feeling eager to flood my system with large amounts of exogenous T.

 

[MetabolicTrash]

Male hpta axis seems kind of fragile in general. A lot can go wrong with it in the context of modern environments. Shutting it completely down for months and years through supraphysiological doses of androgens not only shuts down testosterone production but dhea and progesterone too.

So I agree and am weary of suppressing the hpta. Thyroid and serotonin antagonists along with dietary precursors seem like a safer route to increasing natural T production in balance with all other hormones.

I recently received my T and DHT powder order. I think I’m only going to experiment with very small amounts of DHT, T, DHEA, Progesterone.

I’m feeling some good metabolic stimulation from cynoplus combined with Idealab’s Harmalan so I’m not feeling eager to flood my system with large amounts of exogenous T.

It is considerable and one should think of it.

I am not saying to be afraid you will turn gay or into Lenny Persin lol but if you can manage mega T and stabilize everything else and only profit ... More power.

I just see too much to lose to put that poison in and too little to gain.

Plus simple things like dark coffee, T3, DHEA, etc. can massively affect mood and confidence and sense of manhood speaking first hand.

But if the roids are really turning some guys supposedly in to "***** slayers" that does seem tempting but very much doubted ... Or deluded. lol

Either way I'd rather invest in my face than my body anyhow as it is at least okay looking as of now to not want to hop too heavily on the devil juice and roll the dice.

But do report and let us know if you start finding trannies appealing.

 

[Cloudhands]

i think there are different kinds of homosexual behaviors associated with different horomonal profiles. i think its possible for a male to be bisexual or pansexual in a non dominant or non submissive way, where a male, possibly high T, maybe high progesterone, low serotonin, low cortisol etc could love another person based on their personality or beauty. Im not 100% sure but its something i could imagine. Im not trying to sound like a super liberal or anything but theres probably boundless varieties of sexuality, that supercede or submit to cultural matrices.

 

[Nebula]

It is considerable and one should think of it.

I am not saying to be afraid you will turn gay or into Lenny Persin lol but if you can manage mega T and stabilize everything else and only profit ... More power.

I just see too much to lose to put that poison in and too little to gain.

Plus simple things like dark coffee, T3, DHEA, etc. can massively affect mood and confidence and sense of manhood speaking first hand.

But if the roids are really turning some guys supposedly in to "***** slayers" that does seem tempting but very much doubted ... Or deluded. lol

Either way I'd rather invest in my face than my body anyhow as it is at least okay looking as of now to not want to hop too heavily on the devil juice and roll the dice.

But do report and let us know if you start finding trannies appealing.

Yeah I’m not planning on using high doses at all. Probably just a mg or two of T/DHT as Ray has suggested can be beneficial only once thyroid and diet is dialed in. It makes no sense to me to fully replace your testosterone production for health unless you have severe pituitary or testicle damage. It affects too many other systems and it’s probably impossible to rebalance what else it disturbs.

 

[Matestube]

Also most guys who use tren also use T. Do you know of any guys blasting tren ALONE? So on that front it is essentially difficult to say if it is tren or not specifically when tren is often done almost always with testosterone as well.

You've just proven my rebutal without even realizing it: if there is test and tren involved, how do you know it's the test being responsible for the behaviors you describe?

 

[Drareg]

There is more than one answer and potential pathways causing this.

One potentiality -Some individuals are so desensitised to sex from pathological porn use and general sexual promiscuity need greater stimulus to get aroused, depravity is a sort of taboo that stimulates adrenaline, adrenaline crosses over with dopamine, dopamine lowers prolactin and cortisol potentially, its a bio feedback loop hack of sorts.

Many individuals have become addicted to the "desire" for sex,"desire" is the addiction, when your dopamine system is over stimulated with an excess of the same repetitive behaviour the desire wanes, many of these bodybuilding circuits and pop culture types behave autistically with rigid routines, many of them come from homes that have issues also. This "desire" addiction around sex is because its easily available, your socio economic status offers little other options in this contemporary world, you have few choices to exact "desire" elsewhere because it costs money, your value system has also been corrupted by big media, your value and meanings are essentially great expectations and goals few achieve.

Haidut mentioned studies showing sex can be stimulated in couples by doing new novel things together, a dead bedroom can be fixed by simple things like changing your walking routine, anything new and novel to develop new experiences, you can hack the dopamine more subtly and more coherently, most people nowadays veer to extremes, even couples that attend weekly orgies will get bored of it.

The "bro" culture have to do everything to extremes to stimulate dopamine, sometimes its an extreme of an already repetitive routine, this isn't novel, novelty also needs to be tempered, the body has a rhythm for novelty, once you feel a touch of boredom arising its time to change, if the environment cant be changed thats where we get cocaine use and extremes, if can't change then you need to stimulated dopamine with healthier routines, swimming in open lakes one evening after work for example, too much adrenaline stimulation should be avoided , most "bro's" think this behaviour is gay yet their extremes are clearly turning them gay, this is bro logic in flow.

I also think there is an argument for repetitive routines that once stimulated dopamine can begin to stimulate adrenaline more as the repetition increases, this can cause panic and anxiety, society has conditioned us not to see this reality, we see this effect in chimp and mousse studies, the chimp and mice are forced into this situation by humans, they never do this in the wild, it tells us everything about contemporary human behaviour that we are doing this to ourselves, its clearly mental illness.

 

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[Nomane Euger]

@ScurveDream @Cloudhands
this is my experience of the associations I have made between different phenomena and characteristics, characteristics and phenomena which are themselves associated with different hormones:

very low levels of E2 and serotonin, asexual tendencies.

very low levels of E2 and serotonin, high levels of progesterone, with some testosterone and DHT, asexual tendencies where the attraction for the person is felt in the heart, and in the kissing.

a fairly substantial amount of testosterone and DHT with some E2 and serotonin, heterosexual tendencies where sexual pleasure is concentrated soly on the penis and penetration into the vagina.

a fairly substantial amount of testosterone and DHT, some E2,too low serotonin, hypersexual tendencies, the person is still the one who mounts, the attraction can extend to people of the opposite sex and even other species.

a ratio more in favor of testosterone, some testosterone, some DHT E2/serotonin not much, heterosexual tendencies where the pleasure is around the vagina zone, but not necessary penetration, just "frottage contact pubis againts pubis for example and the person does not show the dominant tendency to be above the woman.

a certain level of testosterone, a rather low level of DHT and an excessively high level of E2 and serotonin, bisexual tendencies and getting mounted.

a certain level of testosterone and DHT quite high, and a level of serotonin and E2 too high, heterosexual tendencies with sexual practices other than penetration in the vagina such as penetrating the girl in the anus, the girl who sucks you...etc,it can reach a higher degree of domination,and violence tendencies.

high progesterone very low E2/serotonin and very low testosterone/DHT,asexual tendencies with feelings in your lower belly in reactions to healthy men faces,that are not sexually charged

 

[GreekDemiGod]

An observation is that both homosexuals and bisexual men generally tend to have higher that average libido’s. This is true for people who are more drawn to explore their sexuality. So perhaps, it’s estrogen mediated.
I’ve seen both low T, high E types, effeminate looking( skinny or skinny fat twinks) and both high T, high-ish E types(androgenic look) who are gay.

 

[Oleg]

Ok so before going in I will say I am NOT pointing fingers at any testosterone users here and this is not bait/trolling but 100% serious observations I have come to see.

I notice a trend that guys with super high T from mega hormone use, not usually unaturally, seem to be more likely bisexual, or more likely to have erection issues?

First anecdote is user TheBeard who is pretty known around here for those who have seen male/testosterone topics. He mentioned he would take humongous amounts of test/experimenting/etc. He also mentioned he was gay ... Or bi? He said he liked transsexuals or something like that. He also said your balls haven't dropped yet if you made fun of his tranny fondness, so presumably he is equating liking trannies with being masculine? Lo and behold...

Another guy more known is a "bodybuilder" who goes by the name of Lenny Persin from Boca Raton, FL area (quite a character -- proceed with caution going down this rabbit hole!). The guy himself mentioned using tren, test, everything under the sun for "bodybuilding." Surprise, surprise ... He has some overlapping relations or "interests" with TheBeard himself ... He also likes trannies. He doesn't just say this like TheBeard without proof (not that anyone wants to see any) but Lenny Persin has actual ... Footage with trannies. Yes. Obviously I am not showing proof of that here but it is there if you doubt my assertions ... Internet magic, I suppose. Yes he has erectile dysfunction too. Can confirm.

Third anecdote -- a young guy from Lookism.net. He was considered "super masculine" and "low trust" on there ... I think some South American kid with a DOM-tier face (low eyebrows; low trust looking which is correlated with prenatal T exposure or such in studies). Basically he was considered a Chad or "high T" ... And he also posted a tranny he slept with too. And wait for it ... He also eventually had erection issues too. Maybe it isn't just supraphysiological levels of T? Maybe it is other factors? All I know is I see LOTS of "masc high T guys" who more often than not turn out bisexual or gay and also tend to have ED or erection issues.

My next case -- porn. In porn with buff or muscly guys they often have poor erection quality and smaller members. I'm not saying all guys go on mega gear to compensate but it does seem pretty common to see big muscly guys in porn who do not have ... Much down below overall. On the flipside I see "feminine" or progestogenic looking males who tend to be the ones with bigger penises and fewer erection issues. Most guys in porn are getting on gear now, and in lots of porn the guys have trouble getting it rock hard ... Coincidence?

I've heard that even behind the scenes the guys CANNOT get hard sometimes at all and need viagra or lots of time as they struggle with erection getting a lot. People say they take stuff to get hard to perform better but that sounds like a lie.

If you told people you took viagra they'd first assume you can't "get it up" not that you want to "enhance" it. Clever cover up?

Guys who drink a lot are said to have high T. Guess what? Most heavy and long term male drinkers have erection issues too. Can't say about the gay or bi part but I am very confident that there are some corrolations with alcohol abuse and testosterone in some situations at least ... But if the guy is "natty" this might be negligible to add....

I keep seeing lots of evidence to my awareness somehow that exogenous megadosing of test or tren or etc. makes guys more likely to turn bi or gay, along with possibly causing erection issues.

There is also the "prison theory" I should add ... Male prisoners forcing sexual acts on other males. "Bubba" or similar presumed rape theories fly by in prison culture of males. Aren't most male prisoners higher testosterone, and/or tend to take AAS too? Interesting, no?

Yet ironically "feminine" or "low T" looking men tend to have these issues less in my view. It seems we have contradictory ideas on what is "manly" sometimes, but I'll just leave it here and let anyone else decide if they want to chime in here on anything of related such they notice/can elaborate on.

So, you are concern that you might turn gay if your T goes up for one reason or another? Interesting take on sexuality