This might not be the biggest of problems when compared to many other health issues that have come out under this topic. But it is one of the few things that has gone from bad to worse for me on a Peat like diet.
I am female, 37 years old. I have had a bloating problem since I was a kid. It first subsided when cutting gluten and processed foods at 35, but then came back. I have been eating Ray Peat inspired since end November 2011. It is working for me overall - I would not go back, but I would love to reduce my belly bloat.
My belly is now bloated constantly. I look like I am 5-6 months pregnant - on a good day 3-4 months. It is quite extreme. I wake up with a bloated belly. It is not gas. It is not fat. It seems to be some local inflammatory reaction. I have a narrow frame (171 cm / 5.7", 54 kg /119 pounds) and a narrow waist, so the belly stands out even more.
A typical food day for me:
Meal 0: some OJ, milk, pice of fruit and 1-2 spoons of cottage cheese after waking up. Morning workout. Milk and orange juice with salt and niacimide during training. Add Coke (cane sugar, glass bottle) during and after long training in weekends.
Meal 1: OJ, muffins (made from eggs, tropical overripe mini bananas and ripe papaya), cafe latte.
Meal 2: small carrot salad (with vinegar and coconut oil), slice of cheese (local - know the farmer, no rennet), 1-1.5 cups watermelon, caffe latte.
Meal 3: home made gelatinous beef bone broth with onion, veal liver, potatoes. 1--1.5 cups Japanese green melon or other fruit. Caffe latte (liver once per week, oysters once per week, meat on the bone once per week, otherwise other seafood like white fish, crab, shrimp, prawn, mussels. Gelatinous broth 5x week).
Meal 4: small carrot salad (with vinegar and coconut oil), 1-1.5 cups papaya or other fruit and slice of cheese.
Meal 5: cottage cheese or other cheese (local or good imported French, Italian or Swiss), 1-2 cups of fruit (water melon, apple sauce, longon or other tropical). Milk. 3x week taro chips with coconut oil and salt. Eat dinner out from time to time, but not processed food.
If hungry before bedtime, a piece of fruit or coconut sugar, small slice of cheese, tsp coconut oil. Usually some milk before bed. Keep a glass of OJ by bed and drink if I wake up.
- OJ is homemade from local sweet, small oranges, pulp filtered out, 7 dl daily.
- Milk is low fat organic cow or filtered (for fat) full fat non-homoginized goats milk, 5-10 dl daily.
- All fruits are local tropical, ripe (Thailand).
- Cheeses are good quality - know the local producers, if imported, good quality European.
- Done a magnet test of all pans.
- Drink milk and OJ from glass bottles.
- Drink sparkling Gerolsteiner mineral water from glass bottle, but not so much since I drink OJ, milk and eat a lot of fruit.
I get a surplus of calories (trying to gain muscle), and is relatively high on protein for someone 54kg (90-120 grams daily). I have experimented with lower protein also.
I have taken desiccated Thyroid (Thyroid-S) for 14 months. Pregnenolone powder for 9 months. Progest-E for 6 months.
I tried to cut milk for 2-3 weeks, but it did not change anything.
I kept training volume low for 3 weeks, but no improvement.
I swim in chlorinated pools (level 1.5) 3x week, which could lead to low levels of good bacteria and inhibit digestion - but am not willing to stop until the summer when I can swim in open water only.
I have done and do core strengthening exercises in case the issue is weak abdominal muscles. But I think it is an unlikely cause. I do a strength circuit including core exercise 2x week plus lots of kicking when swimming to activate core muscles.
Suspecting that the OJ might be implicated. Thinking back, the morning bloating got worse after I kept OJ by bed and sipped when waking up or just before sleeping. Maybe it is the pectin in the OJ - which adds up with the other fruits I am eating. I seem to recall that someone has written on the Forum about reaction to OJ (even though mine is homemade and filtered).
I am going to stay off OJ for 3 weeks to see what happens. I am using cane sugar syrup with mineral water, pinch of gelatin powder, salt and niacimide for my workouts instead.
If anyone has had similar reaction to OJ or any other suggestion, I would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you :)
I am female, 37 years old. I have had a bloating problem since I was a kid. It first subsided when cutting gluten and processed foods at 35, but then came back. I have been eating Ray Peat inspired since end November 2011. It is working for me overall - I would not go back, but I would love to reduce my belly bloat.
My belly is now bloated constantly. I look like I am 5-6 months pregnant - on a good day 3-4 months. It is quite extreme. I wake up with a bloated belly. It is not gas. It is not fat. It seems to be some local inflammatory reaction. I have a narrow frame (171 cm / 5.7", 54 kg /119 pounds) and a narrow waist, so the belly stands out even more.
A typical food day for me:
Meal 0: some OJ, milk, pice of fruit and 1-2 spoons of cottage cheese after waking up. Morning workout. Milk and orange juice with salt and niacimide during training. Add Coke (cane sugar, glass bottle) during and after long training in weekends.
Meal 1: OJ, muffins (made from eggs, tropical overripe mini bananas and ripe papaya), cafe latte.
Meal 2: small carrot salad (with vinegar and coconut oil), slice of cheese (local - know the farmer, no rennet), 1-1.5 cups watermelon, caffe latte.
Meal 3: home made gelatinous beef bone broth with onion, veal liver, potatoes. 1--1.5 cups Japanese green melon or other fruit. Caffe latte (liver once per week, oysters once per week, meat on the bone once per week, otherwise other seafood like white fish, crab, shrimp, prawn, mussels. Gelatinous broth 5x week).
Meal 4: small carrot salad (with vinegar and coconut oil), 1-1.5 cups papaya or other fruit and slice of cheese.
Meal 5: cottage cheese or other cheese (local or good imported French, Italian or Swiss), 1-2 cups of fruit (water melon, apple sauce, longon or other tropical). Milk. 3x week taro chips with coconut oil and salt. Eat dinner out from time to time, but not processed food.
If hungry before bedtime, a piece of fruit or coconut sugar, small slice of cheese, tsp coconut oil. Usually some milk before bed. Keep a glass of OJ by bed and drink if I wake up.
- OJ is homemade from local sweet, small oranges, pulp filtered out, 7 dl daily.
- Milk is low fat organic cow or filtered (for fat) full fat non-homoginized goats milk, 5-10 dl daily.
- All fruits are local tropical, ripe (Thailand).
- Cheeses are good quality - know the local producers, if imported, good quality European.
- Done a magnet test of all pans.
- Drink milk and OJ from glass bottles.
- Drink sparkling Gerolsteiner mineral water from glass bottle, but not so much since I drink OJ, milk and eat a lot of fruit.
I get a surplus of calories (trying to gain muscle), and is relatively high on protein for someone 54kg (90-120 grams daily). I have experimented with lower protein also.
I have taken desiccated Thyroid (Thyroid-S) for 14 months. Pregnenolone powder for 9 months. Progest-E for 6 months.
I tried to cut milk for 2-3 weeks, but it did not change anything.
I kept training volume low for 3 weeks, but no improvement.
I swim in chlorinated pools (level 1.5) 3x week, which could lead to low levels of good bacteria and inhibit digestion - but am not willing to stop until the summer when I can swim in open water only.
I have done and do core strengthening exercises in case the issue is weak abdominal muscles. But I think it is an unlikely cause. I do a strength circuit including core exercise 2x week plus lots of kicking when swimming to activate core muscles.
Suspecting that the OJ might be implicated. Thinking back, the morning bloating got worse after I kept OJ by bed and sipped when waking up or just before sleeping. Maybe it is the pectin in the OJ - which adds up with the other fruits I am eating. I seem to recall that someone has written on the Forum about reaction to OJ (even though mine is homemade and filtered).
I am going to stay off OJ for 3 weeks to see what happens. I am using cane sugar syrup with mineral water, pinch of gelatin powder, salt and niacimide for my workouts instead.
If anyone has had similar reaction to OJ or any other suggestion, I would appreciate your feedback.
Thank you :)