Agmatine - A 'Peaty' Substance With Potential?

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Ray has mentioned Agmatine as having relevant therapeutic value - he mentions agmatine deficiency.
I've included various quotes from posts across the forum, as well as other research exploring Agmatine's metabolic interactions.

Ray Peat - Autism Newsletter notes - May 2018
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Things in the environment, or substances produced in reactions to environmental stress, include endotoxin, exogenous & endogenous estrogens, progesterone deficiency, agmatine deficiency, serotonin excess, endogenous nitric oxide, and Vitamin D deficiency. All of these have established associations with the risk of autism.

When energy is deficient, cells are susceptible to damage from normal levels of stimulation. Restraining excitatory reactions is at lease protective, and of often improves functioning. Anti-excitotoxic substances include progesterone, memantine, minocycline, and agmatine.

Here is some RP relevant insight into Agmatine's metabolic interactions.
Here is my original post which assembles lots of information on Agmatine, including insight from Travis on a potential agmatine-polyamine related issue (which can be partly mitigated by increasing methylglyoxal).

Agmatine apparently stimulates the endogenous synthesis of allopregnanolone via activation of the PPAR-α receptor & PGC1α! (paper attached)
Agmatine seems to have a protective effect on mitochondria and modulates fatty acid metabolism, oxygen consumption & ATP synthesis; also seems to prevent dysfunction of Complex I in renal cortex mitochondria, and indirectly regulates cytochrome c oxidase activity.
Agmatine diminished incomplete fatty acid oxidation, decreased fat but increased protein mass, increased hepatic ureagenesis & gluconeogesis but decreased glycolysis; stimulates β-oxidation.


Agmatine is transported into liver mitochondria by a specific electrophoretic mechanism

Agmatine transport in liver mitochondria may be of physiological importance as an indirect regulatory system of cytochrome c oxidase activity and as an inducer mechanism of mitochondrial-mediated apoptosis.
[Agmatine is transported into liver mitochondria by a specific electrophoretic mechanism]


The arginine metabolite agmatine protects mitochondrial function and confers resistance to cellular apoptosis

Agmatine, an endogenous metabolite of arginine, selectively suppresses growth in cells with high proliferative kinetics, such as transformed cells, through depletion of intracellular polyamine levels. In the present study, we depleted intracellular polyamine content with agmatine
to determine if attrition by cell death contributes to the growth-suppressive effects. We did not observe an increase in necrosis, DNA fragmentation, or chromatin condensation in Ha-Ras-transformed NIH-3T3 cells administered agmatine. In response to Ca2+-induced oxidative stress in kidney mitochondrial preparations, agmatine demonstrated attributes of a free radical scavenger by protecting against the oxidation of sulfhydryl groups and decreasing hydrogen peroxide content. The functional outcome was a protective effect against Ca2+
[The arginine metabolite agmatine protects mitochondrial function and confers resistance to cellular apoptosis]


Agmatine effects on mitochondrial membrane potential and NF-κB activation protect against rotenone-induced cell damage in human neuronal-like SH-SY5Y cells.

Agmatine, an endogenous arginine metabolite, has been proposed as a novel neuromodulator that plays protective roles in the CNS in several models of cellular damage. However, the mechanisms involved in these protective effects in neurodegenerative diseases are poorly understood. The present study was undertaken to investigate the effects of agmatine on cell injury induced by rotenone, commonly used in establishing in vivo and in vitro models of Parkinson's disease, in human-derived dopaminergic neuroblastoma cell line (SH-SY5Y). We report that agmatine dose-dependently suppressed rotenone-induced cellular injury through a reduction of oxidative stress. Similar effects were obtained by spermine, suggesting a scavenging effect for these compounds. However, unlike spermine, agmatine also prevented rotenone-induced nuclear factor-κB nuclear translocation and mitochondrial membrane potential dissipation. Furthermore, rotenone-induced increase in apoptotic markers, such as caspase 3 activity, Bax expression and cytochrome c release, was significantly attenuated with agmatine treatment. These findings demonstrate mitochondrial preservation with agmatine in a rotenone model of apoptotic cell death, and that the neuroprotective action of agmatine appears because of suppressing apoptotic signalling mechanisms. Thus, agmatine may have therapeutic potential in the treatment of Parkinson's disease by protecting dopaminergic neuron
[Agmatine effects on mitochondrial membrane potential and NF-κB activation protect against rotenone-induced cell damage in human neuronal-like SH-SY... - PubMed - NCBI]


Different behavior of agmatine in liver mitochondria: Inducer of oxidative stress or scavenger of reactive oxygen species?

Agmatine acts as a competitive inhibitor of nitric oxide synthase (NOS) [4] and induces ornithine decarboxylase antizyme [5] and spermidine/spermine acetyl transferase [6]. In fact, in all species agmatine is metabolized by agmatinase to urea and putrescine [7], suggesting that it is a polyamine precursor. In mammals, agmatine is not only synthesized “in situ” by ADC but is also taken up by exogenous sources and transported to several organs, in particular the liver, by an energy-dependent mechanism [8]. It has been reported that, in rat hepatocytes, increased agmatine concentration, by provoking polyamine depletion, promotes apoptosis by increasing caspase-3 activity. This occurs through mitochondrial swelling and release of cytochrome c[9]. Agmatine has also been found in neuronal mitochondria[10], and its metabolic enzymes, ADC and agmatinase, have also been recognized in mitochondria [11], [12], [13], as well as the imidazoline receptor, I2, which binds agmatine although its function is still unknown [14]. Very recently it has also been found that agmatine is transported into liver mitochondria by an energy-dependent mechanism, exhibiting strict electrophoretic behavior and requiring high membrane potentialΨ) in order to operate [15].

The transport of agmatine in RLM accounts for its up-regulation in ureagenesis, demonstrated in perfused liver [16], coupled with stimulation of β-oxidation [17]. Indeed, agmatine is also able to prevent dysfunction of Complex I in renal cortex mitochondria [18], most probably by phosphorylating the AQDQ subunit of the complex [19]. It has been proposed that these findings may have important implications for the prevention of mitochondrial diseases related to faulty Complex I [18].

All these observations, revealing close relationships between this amine and mitochondria, taken together with previous reports on interactions among biogenic amines and mitochondria, particularly at the level of oxygen consumption and ATP synthesis...
[Different behavior of agmatine in liver mitochondria: Inducer of oxidative stress or scavenger of reactive oxygen species? - ScienceDirect]


Anti-Atherosclerotic Action of Agmatine in ApoE-Knockout Mice

...Atherosclerosis is an inflammatory disease in which dysfunction of mitochondria play an important role, and disorders of lipid management intensify this process. Agmatine, an endogenous polyamine formed by decarboxylation of arginine, exerts a protective effect on mitochondria and modulates fatty acid metabolism.
[Anti-Atherosclerotic Action of Agmatine in ApoE-Knockout Mice]


The molecular and metabolic influence of long-term Agmatine consumption

Subsequently, AGM induced a widespread impact on gene expression and metabolic profiling, including: (a) activation of peroxisomal proliferator-activated receptor-α (PPARα), and its coactivator PGC1α; (b) increased expression of PPARγ and genes regulating thermogenesis, gluconeogenesis, and carnitine (Car) biosynthesis and transport. The changes in gene expression were coupled with improved tissue and systemic levels of Car and short chain AcylCar, increased βoxidation and diminished incomplete fatty acid oxidation, decreased fat but increased protein mass, increased hepatic ureagenesis and gluconeogesis but decreased glycolysis. These metabolic changes were coupled with reduced weight gain and a curtailment of the hormonal and metabolic derangements associated with HFD-induced obesity. The findings suggest that AGM elevated the synthesis and level of cAMP, thereby mimicking the effects of caloric restriction with respect to metabolic reprogramming.

[Attachment: https://raypeatforum.com/community/attachments/metabolic-influence-of-agmatine-pdf.14186/]
 
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@haidut - Do you have any personal experience with Agmatine?
It has a very interesting pharmacological profile, which could be complementary with other RP strategies/approaches.
I imagine a caffeine/agmatine/salicyic acid combination might have synergistic potential.
 

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Selfhacked has a good overview as well - in the usual popular-science quality but useful nontheless
 
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It increases nitric oxide

There are nuances involved here. It seems both agmatine and progesterone apparently raise eNOS; lower nNOS, iNOS.
Agmatine
(raises eNOS • lowers nNOS, iNOS)
Progesterone
(raises eNOS • lowers iNOS, nNOS)
Aspirin
(lowers ALL - eNOS, iNOS, nNOS
conflicting - possibly raises eNOS)
Caffeine
(lowers eNOSi
NOS?
nNOS?)
Methylene Blue
(lowers eNOS, iNOS, nNOS)
 

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That's very interesting, I didn't know about cAMP for this. I I took agmatine in super high doses (mentioned in another thread) around the time some things improved, though it was hopelessly conflated by other things. It makes me feel off in high doses though. I thought it might have been contributing to gut/bowel modulation, as it seemed to.
 
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That's very interesting, I didn't know about cAMP for this. I I took agmatine in super high doses (mentioned in another thread) around the time some things improved, though it was hopelessly conflated by other things. It makes me feel off in high doses though. I thought it might have been contributing to gut/bowel modulation, as it seemed to.

If you read the various reddit threads about Agmatine (or the various other psychoactive-orientated depictions of it), you will see it has significant psychoactive potential.

Interestingly, Agmatine shares similar properties with ketamine, especially those responsible for potent neurogenesis (via mTor). Agmatine can also trigger the release of BDNF.
It also seems to be beneficial re recovery from stress aka Corticosterone.
Corticosterone is the main hormone released in rodents during stress by the adrenal glands in response to a central command carried by Corticotropin-releasing factor (CRF)
Creatine, Similar to Ketamine, Counteracts Depressive-Like Behavior Induced by Corticosterone via PI3K/Akt/mTOR Pathway. - PubMed - NCBI
Ketamine has emerged as a novel strategy to treat refractory depression, producing rapid remission...
In order to induce a depressive-like behavior, mice were administered with corticosterone (20 mg/kg, per os (p.o.)) for 21 days.
...the results indicate that creatine shares with ketamine the ability to acutely reverse the corticosterone-induced depressive-like behavior by a mechanism dependent on PI3K/AKT/mTOR pathway, and modulation of the synaptic protein PSD95 as well as BDNF in the hippocampus, indicating the relevance of targeting these proteins for the management of depressive disorders.

Antidepressant and pro-neurogenic effects of agmatine in a mouse model of stress induced by chronic exposure to corticosterone
• Agmatine and fluoxetine reversed behavioral alterations elicited by corticosterone.
• Corticosterone reduced hippocampal cell proliferation, but not differentiation.
• Agmatine reversed corticosterone-induced deficit in hippocampal cell proliferation.
• Agmatine improved dendritic arborization and length in hippocampal dentate gyrus.
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Agmatine is an endogenous neuromodulator that has been shown to have beneficial effects in the central nervous system, including antidepressant-like effects in animals. In this study, we investigated the ability of agmatine (0.1 mg/kg, p.o.) and the conventional antidepressant fluoxetine (10 mg/kg, p.o.) to reverse the behavioral effects and morphological alterations in the hippocampus of mice exposed to chronic corticosterone (20 mg/kg, p.o.) treatment for a period of 21 days as a model of stress and depressive-like behaviors. Chronic corticosterone treatment increased the immobility time in the tail suspension test (TST), but did not cause anhedonic-like and anxiety-related behaviors, as assessed with the splash test and the open field test (OFT), respectively. Of note, the depressive-like behaviors induced by corticosterone were accompanied by a decrease in hippocampal cell proliferation, although no changes in hippocampal neuronal differentiation were observed. Our findings provide evidence that, similarly to fluoxetine, agmatine was able to reverse the corticosterone-induced depressive-like behaviors in the TST as well as the deficits in hippocampal cell proliferation. Additionally, fluoxetine but not agmatine, increased hippocampal differentiation. Agmatine, similar to fluoxetine, was capable of increasing both dendritic arborization and length in the entire dentate hippocampus, an effect more evident in the ventral portion of the hippocampus, as assessed with the modified Sholl analysis. Altogether, our results suggest that the increase in hippocampal proliferation induced by agmatine may contribute, at least in part, to the antidepressant-like response of this compound in this mouse model of stress induced by chronic exposure to corticosterone.
 
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Yes! Exactly, we had a ketamine/agmatine thread on phoenixrising a few years back. Modulating AMPA seems to produce highly unreliable nootropics and things.
 
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Modulating AMPA seems to produce highly unreliable nootropics and things.
Apparently, AMPA activation can release acetylcholine...

I have a background with pharmacology & chemistry, specialising in psychoactive profiles of substances, but also integrating herbalism & botanical insight; this makes for a multidisciplinary bonanza(!)
 

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That's what Travis remarked in regards to Polyamines and AGmatine. I'm intrigued by the substance various effects and I don't know if Travis view of Spermidine is correct.

Nitric oxide and polyamines have one thing in common: arginine. This amino acid can make both: Arginine can release nitric oxide to become ornithine and also, to add insult to injury, then become a polyamine through the enzyme ornithine decarboxylase. While the simple four‐carbon diamine that results isn't particularly harmful, it can find the others and polymerize into a larger one called spermidine. This long‐chained carbon and nitrogen molecule puts the word poly in polyamines (and also puts cancer in your prostate.) This molecule binds with DNA directly and lowers its replication velocity during routine PCR. The enzyme which makes polyamines, ornithine decarboxylase, is upregulated in ways which mirror the cell cycle. Polyamines also have a peculiar affinity for microtubules, structures which must be disassembled before mitosis. We do need some polyamines for growth, but too much will undeniably cause proliferation. Methylglyoxal totally disables arginine by turning it into a cyclic imidazolone, totally incapable of forming neither nitric oxide nor polyamines. These methylglyoxal–arginine adducts could be part of the reason why it inhibits cancer, but are also responsible for the refractive changes seen in diabetics as corneal collagen becomes methylglyoxal‐modified and crosslinked—bending light more powerfully.

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He was thinking about methylglyoxal a lot - and it must have its circumstantial uses, and it could be more powerful - but unless you already have cancer I wouldn't jump on that treatment personally - there is the less potentially damaging polyamine catabolism pathway:
The Travis Corner

Also spermidine specifically seems to actually be involved in autophagy (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15548627.2018.1530929). Nevertheless I thought he was probably right that polyamines mediate some of the negative effects of methylation and their other effects are probably underrated. (But if spermidine itself reinforces autophagy and in physiological amounts actually helps cancer, it's very logical because autophagy is exactly what you want during restrictive periods like nighttime where you expect methylation to start off higher, at least after the last/largest meal anyway; methylation [methyl group availability] is also encouraged by growth hormone)
 
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Modulating AMPA seems to produce highly unreliable nootropics and things.
btw, Pidolic acid aka Pyroglutamic acid is an AMPA PAM, which results in BDNF release.
Haidut uses Pyroglutamic acid in his cardenosine product.
 

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btw, Pidolic acid aka Pyroglutamic acid is an AMPA PAM, which results in BDNF release.
Haidut uses Pyroglutamic acid in his cardenosine product.

@Sativa Are you knowledgeable about Pyroglutamic Acid's role in Alzheimer's disease (Beta-Amyloid pathology)? I am extremely interested in Pyroglutamic Acid but quite nervous about the role that it plays in Amyloid pathology. I don't fully understand the science behind this and whether it is anything to be concerned about...

Pyroglutamate and Isoaspartate modified Amyloid-Beta in ageing and Alzheimer’s disease
Pyroglutamate-Modified Amyloid Beta Peptides: Emerging Targets for Alzheimer´s Disease Immunotherapy
Pyroglutamate amyloid-β (Aβ): a hatchet man in Alzheimer disease. - PubMed - NCBI
 
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sure, PGA and anything pro-BDNF aka neurogenesis seems beneficial for what they call 'Beta-Amyloid pathology' which is their term for neuro-degeneration due to the usual PUFA's etc. So that implies anything pro-metabolic, anti-stress is also directly beneficial for 'Beta-Amyloid pathology'. They love to create classy terms for things...
 

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sure, PGA and anything pro-BDNF aka neurogenesis seems beneficial for what they call 'Beta-Amyloid pathology' which is their term for neuro-degeneration due to the usual PUFA's etc. So that implies anything pro-metabolic, anti-stress is also directly beneficial for 'Beta-Amyloid pathology'. They love to create classy terms for things...

But the links that I provided seem to be saying that Pyroglutamic Acid somehow is involved in the progression of the disease....
 
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Yes it very well might, but fyi, I don't take for granted 100% trust what establishment researchers come up with.
I didn't intellectually dive into those links, sorry. No doubt, any of the numerous BDNF botanicals or other known solutions for 'Beta-Amyloid pathology' (i guess u mean Alzheimer's, aka type 3 diabetes?) might offer a good solution.
 

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I would like to revive this thread, did you try agmatine @Sativa ? I am waiting for my delivery, read some studies and experiences and I am really curious about this substance. The only thing I dont like Is the increased gluconeogenesis. @Hans, did you try this for better performance? Thank you.
 

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I would like to revive this thread, did you try agmatine @Sativa ? I am waiting for my delivery, read some studies and experiences and I am really curious about this substance. The only thing I dont like Is the increased gluconeogenesis. @Hans, did you try this for better performance? Thank you.
I have not but it looks like a very interesting compound that would be beneficial for more than just exercise performance. I want to do an in-depth article about it sometime, but don't know when that will happen.
 

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I would like to revive this thread, did you try agmatine @Sativa ? I am waiting for my delivery, read some studies and experiences and I am really curious about this substance. The only thing I dont like Is the increased gluconeogenesis. @Hans, did you try this for better performance? Thank you.
I have not but it looks like a very interesting compound that would be beneficial for more than just exercise performance. I want to do an in-depth article about it sometime, but don't know when that will happen.

I'm considering Agmatine vs. PEA (Palmitoly-ethanolamide) both of which can supposedly increase Allopregnenolone.


Both seem undesirable in some ways though.

-Agmatine because it is an Arginine derivative and supposedly increases some isoforms of NO.
-PEA because it is a Cannabinoid and possibly PUFA-derived.
 
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