Aleeri
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I've been doing Ray Peat diet like 1.5 years now along with experiments with supplements and thyroid hormones. Body temperature seems just about optimal, resting pulse rate could come up (probably down because of exercise) but in general, after I eat I have a good pulse rate in the 75-85.
In the process, I also got more fat than ever around my belly. I no longer see how some of the Ray Peat guidelines could ever work long term when this is the case.
What's becoming increasingly clear to me is that the Ray Peat principles do not take in consideration or care about those of us who also want to LOOK good, as in building muscle, abs and keeping body fat levels on the lower side. Fructose is prized for example and starch is not, yet fructose is very inferior for building muscle.
These aesthetics are considered positive traits, as in we find them more attractive in partners, excess body fat is never seen as healthy, it turns people off for good reason. Some people argue that it's not healthy to have body fat levels that give you a six-pack, but then why do we view it as attractive, I don't buy this reasoning.
Clearly, the drop in metabolic rate after we are young makes it very hard to go back to the effortless lean we experience when we kids. How would it even be possible to? When we are young we are growing/learning at a crazy rate, that's why the body consumes so much energy, this doesn't happen when we older and the body stops developing like this. No Ray Peat diet will ever bring that back, that's certain.
None of the Ray Peat guidelines are compatible with weight loss for aesthetics and he doesn't even seem to like exercise much, to be honest. Zero people that are public in the Ray Peat community such as for example Danny Roddy etc has an impressive physique.
It's always about stress reduction here rather than stress adaptation and I am kinda on the fence that a 90kg lean muscular person has way higher survival chance than a skinny fat Ray Peat follower with a high pulse rate. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Resistance training taught me one thing and that is that stress adaptation and mental challenges are equally good ways to reach stress reduction or even better. The more you challenge yourself the stronger you become to resist life's challenges.
All in all, when it comes to resistance training and maintaining an aesthetically pleasing body, it can be concluded that Ray Peat knows very little.
The question then is who has similar views to Ray Peat in terms of diet but focus more on exercise? What good tips out there can we try?
Fasting and caloric deficit is a big no-no in terms of Ray Peat, yet it is the ONLY WAY to lose body fat.
And don't tell me the crap about bringing up your metabolic rate will make you lose it. Yes, you might lose some weight that way in the span of a couple of years, but it will never make you look awesome. Same as you will never build that muscle without lifting that weight.
Also if the metabolic rate was all there was then taking tons of T3 and eating like a champ would make you lose body fat, and it doesn't. I tried it. Many people tried it. Many people here just got fat.
Bodybuilders often take T3 when they diet on a deficit to lose fat, how could increasing metabolism through eating MORE and taking T3 be expected to do the same? It doesn't.
The human body is a machine built for survival and it will store energy as much as it can when the opportunity is given, hence if you always eat an excess you will never lose fat.
Please prove me wrong but nobody will be able to since then you will be like sitting on the billion-dollar weight loss secret. If there was an easy way somebody would have discovered it already.
The best possible ways I've researched are:
If you guys have any good links to fitness gurus or the like that seem to value metabolic rate but also are successful in terms of aesthetics, please share. Where are these people, they seem to not exist.
I would love for Ray Peat to talk about building muscle and weight loss but clearly, he does not have experience in these areas or even interest, which is why he never writes about it.
In the process, I also got more fat than ever around my belly. I no longer see how some of the Ray Peat guidelines could ever work long term when this is the case.
What's becoming increasingly clear to me is that the Ray Peat principles do not take in consideration or care about those of us who also want to LOOK good, as in building muscle, abs and keeping body fat levels on the lower side. Fructose is prized for example and starch is not, yet fructose is very inferior for building muscle.
These aesthetics are considered positive traits, as in we find them more attractive in partners, excess body fat is never seen as healthy, it turns people off for good reason. Some people argue that it's not healthy to have body fat levels that give you a six-pack, but then why do we view it as attractive, I don't buy this reasoning.
Clearly, the drop in metabolic rate after we are young makes it very hard to go back to the effortless lean we experience when we kids. How would it even be possible to? When we are young we are growing/learning at a crazy rate, that's why the body consumes so much energy, this doesn't happen when we older and the body stops developing like this. No Ray Peat diet will ever bring that back, that's certain.
None of the Ray Peat guidelines are compatible with weight loss for aesthetics and he doesn't even seem to like exercise much, to be honest. Zero people that are public in the Ray Peat community such as for example Danny Roddy etc has an impressive physique.
It's always about stress reduction here rather than stress adaptation and I am kinda on the fence that a 90kg lean muscular person has way higher survival chance than a skinny fat Ray Peat follower with a high pulse rate. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Resistance training taught me one thing and that is that stress adaptation and mental challenges are equally good ways to reach stress reduction or even better. The more you challenge yourself the stronger you become to resist life's challenges.
All in all, when it comes to resistance training and maintaining an aesthetically pleasing body, it can be concluded that Ray Peat knows very little.
The question then is who has similar views to Ray Peat in terms of diet but focus more on exercise? What good tips out there can we try?
Fasting and caloric deficit is a big no-no in terms of Ray Peat, yet it is the ONLY WAY to lose body fat.
And don't tell me the crap about bringing up your metabolic rate will make you lose it. Yes, you might lose some weight that way in the span of a couple of years, but it will never make you look awesome. Same as you will never build that muscle without lifting that weight.
Also if the metabolic rate was all there was then taking tons of T3 and eating like a champ would make you lose body fat, and it doesn't. I tried it. Many people tried it. Many people here just got fat.
Bodybuilders often take T3 when they diet on a deficit to lose fat, how could increasing metabolism through eating MORE and taking T3 be expected to do the same? It doesn't.
The human body is a machine built for survival and it will store energy as much as it can when the opportunity is given, hence if you always eat an excess you will never lose fat.
Please prove me wrong but nobody will be able to since then you will be like sitting on the billion-dollar weight loss secret. If there was an easy way somebody would have discovered it already.
The best possible ways I've researched are:
- Alternate day 24h fasts every 3 days (seems to not lower metabolism as much as traditional dieting according to research)
- Skipping a meal in order to easier reach a deficit on any given day
- Combine the above with occasional refeeds and 1-2 weeks off dieting every few weeks of dieting and it is probably the best way to lose fat without hurting metabolism through metabolic adaptation.
If you guys have any good links to fitness gurus or the like that seem to value metabolic rate but also are successful in terms of aesthetics, please share. Where are these people, they seem to not exist.
I would love for Ray Peat to talk about building muscle and weight loss but clearly, he does not have experience in these areas or even interest, which is why he never writes about it.